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In reply to the discussion: Ca. Gov. Jerrry Brown: World is ‘too dangerous’ for a nation of potheads [View all]Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)219. You want studies?? Will a page full of links/facts of studies by the National Institute of Health
suffice for you, or do they have an agenda???
http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm
The Studies
Marijuana Fights:
Heart Disease
Cancer
Diabetes
Osteoporosis
Alzheimer's
Liver Disease
Epilepsy
Skin Allergies
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
Anxiety and Depression
and is also Neuroprotective and Causes Neurogenesis (brain cell growth)
Why is this scientific evidence any better than hearsay? Aren't these scientists always disagreeing anyway? It's all just fashion...
It is unfortunate that many laymen still have this horrific misunderstanding of science after graduating from grade school. Science is the pursuit of truth that lies outside of human interference, opinion and bias. Everything about science is designed to eliminate the adulteration of human perception. Is it perfect and without mistake? No, but it is tens of thousands of times more reliable than anything else. Humanity has not yet learned everything in the universe but with the help of science we are slowly making our way there. Wihtout the strict processes, examination and re-examination of data that is required for real science, we would be forever stuck in the dark ages ruled over by tyranny or anarchy. We would still be blundering in the dark and dying by the age of thirty. When I hear words like the question above uttered, I nearly want to weep for what it portends. Science as a community does it's best to find the truth and is sometimes wrong anyway. It's rare and usually quite a small thing but when we discover we are wrong we immediately change. Every single person in the scientific comunity would love to find where accepted science is wrong because of the pride and recognition that comes with such a discovery. Millions of people all diligently looking for any little corner where we might be wrong with great reward to be had if they find it. Consider the opposite: millions of people all trying to defend a concept's rightness with death being the punishment for mentioning a possible flaw.
What do each of these "studies" represent?
When a research department at some university wishes to conduct a study they must put together a very comprehensive plan for how it will be accomplished; what it will prove and how that information will be valuable. This proposal is then given to number of institutions with a vested interest in the advancement of knowledge and they will not just hand over a gigantic sum of money to a bunch of unprepared or unprofessional amatuers.
Each study below represents tens of thousands of dollars and untold man hours. Each study is a huge investment of passion and a reflection upon each of the researchers, but the pressure to perform has only just started once the grant has come through. If the results of the study are not published in a reputable peer-reviewed journal, all of the time and money is utterly wasted and thrown in the trash because without publication, the scientific community will reject any findings of the study. This kind of gigantic waste can lay waste to a research department and the careers of all the researchers involved. Needless to say, it is critical for the study to pass the peer-review process.
The peer-review process requirement of publication in a journal is put in place as a way for other professionals in the same area of science to review the processes undertaken by the study. These reviewers assure not only that there is not blatent twisting of facts but also that experimenter bias is accounted for and that pre-concieved notions can have not even an accidental effect on the outcome of the study. They also assure that the conclusions drawn from the data do not include anything presumtuous.
When only one study points to a particular new understanding it is a very significant consideration for being truth. When multiple studies point to the same thing, it is as close to absolute, factual, unbiased, immutable, truth as humanity is or will ever be capable of grasping.
http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm
It is unfortunate that many laymen still have this horrific misunderstanding of science after graduating from grade school. Science is the pursuit of truth that lies outside of human interference, opinion and bias. Everything about science is designed to eliminate the adulteration of human perception. Is it perfect and without mistake? No, but it is tens of thousands of times more reliable than anything else. Humanity has not yet learned everything in the universe but with the help of science we are slowly making our way there. Wihtout the strict processes, examination and re-examination of data that is required for real science, we would be forever stuck in the dark ages ruled over by tyranny or anarchy. We would still be blundering in the dark and dying by the age of thirty. When I hear words like the question above uttered, I nearly want to weep for what it portends. Science as a community does it's best to find the truth and is sometimes wrong anyway. It's rare and usually quite a small thing but when we discover we are wrong we immediately change. Every single person in the scientific comunity would love to find where accepted science is wrong because of the pride and recognition that comes with such a discovery. Millions of people all diligently looking for any little corner where we might be wrong with great reward to be had if they find it. Consider the opposite: millions of people all trying to defend a concept's rightness with death being the punishment for mentioning a possible flaw.
What do each of these "studies" represent?
When a research department at some university wishes to conduct a study they must put together a very comprehensive plan for how it will be accomplished; what it will prove and how that information will be valuable. This proposal is then given to number of institutions with a vested interest in the advancement of knowledge and they will not just hand over a gigantic sum of money to a bunch of unprepared or unprofessional amatuers.
Each study below represents tens of thousands of dollars and untold man hours. Each study is a huge investment of passion and a reflection upon each of the researchers, but the pressure to perform has only just started once the grant has come through. If the results of the study are not published in a reputable peer-reviewed journal, all of the time and money is utterly wasted and thrown in the trash because without publication, the scientific community will reject any findings of the study. This kind of gigantic waste can lay waste to a research department and the careers of all the researchers involved. Needless to say, it is critical for the study to pass the peer-review process.
The peer-review process requirement of publication in a journal is put in place as a way for other professionals in the same area of science to review the processes undertaken by the study. These reviewers assure not only that there is not blatent twisting of facts but also that experimenter bias is accounted for and that pre-concieved notions can have not even an accidental effect on the outcome of the study. They also assure that the conclusions drawn from the data do not include anything presumtuous.
When only one study points to a particular new understanding it is a very significant consideration for being truth. When multiple studies point to the same thing, it is as close to absolute, factual, unbiased, immutable, truth as humanity is or will ever be capable of grasping.
http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm
Please do some reading...
Peace,
Ghost
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Ca. Gov. Jerrry Brown: World is ‘too dangerous’ for a nation of potheads [View all]
Playinghardball
Mar 2014
OP
Chickens and eggs. I'm afraid either way you're never drying up demand so might as well open
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2014
#179
Im pointing to the cartel's involvement in illegal CA production, and their political power
reddread
Mar 2014
#243
I have posted this here…legal or not legal, I don't care if people smoke in the privacy..
Tikki
Mar 2014
#25
I don't understand at all. You have made no case other than "I don't like pot".
cleanhippie
Mar 2014
#93
I will argue that when I get in my car, I step on the accelorator and go as fast as the car will go
MindMover
Mar 2014
#53
You should really educate yourself more on things you don't know about.
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2014
#114
The only reason he is doing it is because of the upcoming election. After that is over he will have
lostincalifornia
Mar 2014
#54
Ah, the proposition, brought to you by sane Californians .... thank God for propositions ...nt
MindMover
Mar 2014
#62
They can use propositions to bypass politicians. I will vote for him since the repugs
lostincalifornia
Mar 2014
#146
"The problem with anything, a certain amount is okay. But there is a tendency to go to extremes."
MindMover
Mar 2014
#5
Ok, lets take away all those crutches that humans have .. and call me lazy, that is exactly who I am
MindMover
Mar 2014
#37
I've gone to far more "extremes" in my alcohol use than I ever have or will
kestrel91316
Mar 2014
#60
and has sold out to a certain rational that affords his current donor logic ... playin there tune ..
MindMover
Mar 2014
#48
In college I did some of my best class presentations when a bit high, I was relaxed, must have
RKP5637
Mar 2014
#33
So, since you bring up science, do you think DUI for pot is illegitimate?
former9thward
Mar 2014
#104
You want studies?? Will a page full of links/facts of studies by the National Institute of Health
Ghost in the Machine
Mar 2014
#219
Well, as a former user who smoked for a little over 40 years out of my 51 years on this Earth, I can
Ghost in the Machine
Mar 2014
#256
If your post was intended as a reply to me it makes no sense whatsoever.
former9thward
Mar 2014
#148
You are the one that makes no sense with your nonsensical reasoning about "the weed" ...
MindMover
Mar 2014
#149
LOL, you obfuscate to obscure your obvious lack of reasoning ability ... nice try
MindMover
Mar 2014
#154
Maybe you should watch this, because your rationale is really lacking in this thread ... enjoy
MindMover
Mar 2014
#167
No propaganda, this is the emotional side of your position on the evil weed ...
MindMover
Mar 2014
#171
The movie defines weed as evil and that is what I was referring to ... however you state ...
MindMover
Mar 2014
#194
Point being, you're awfully high and mighty for someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
DisgustipatedinCA
Mar 2014
#229
Right. No pal, you're the one asserting that there is a problem that justifies criminalization.
Warren Stupidity
Mar 2014
#96
You agreed with Brown's statement supporting continued criminalization of pot.
Warren Stupidity
Mar 2014
#120
Hmmm, someone suddenly coming in on a sub-thread to defend a poster ....
former9thward
Mar 2014
#184
I'm suspicious why you would be suspicious. What are you insinuating? I read your string of posts,
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2014
#186
The point is that you have no intention to add content to what you think...
MrMickeysMom
Mar 2014
#254
Seriously. Judge people on their behavior, not what you think their behavior might be
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#79
As must the God of Repetitive Stupid Shit must also be invoked... repetitively.
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#123
I guess conflating drug policy and a "god of pot" is mentally convenient...
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#121
Anyone who would describe Brown as a fascist based on his comments is insane.
former9thward
Mar 2014
#193
I know the definition of insanity and disruption is exactly what you have been doing in this thread
MindMover
Mar 2014
#195
I am not doubling down on anything, I am giving you a definition and you ...
MindMover
Mar 2014
#200
Could you please refrain from name calling and enter your argument or opinion intelligently ...
MindMover
Mar 2014
#216
you would hold me accountable but not someone who has punished protesters SEVERELY?
reddread
Mar 2014
#221
If the govs behavior, defined by someone other than me, elicits being called a fascist ... SoBeIt
MindMover
Mar 2014
#212
So, following that logic, booze should immediately be banned in CA except for medical
RKP5637
Mar 2014
#28
remember, CA has an immense prison population and very powerful police and prison guard lobbies....
mike_c
Mar 2014
#34
Another privileged boomer who did his drugs back then and now wants to bust everyone.
Warren Stupidity
Mar 2014
#65
I usually like Jerry Brown but some things hes says and does is just full of shit.
Lint Head
Mar 2014
#76
He's wrong, if the whole world were potheads, no one would be capable of violence.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#82
I think they might be capable, just disinterested in the destructive notion of it.
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2014
#185
Ca. Gov. Jerrry Brown: World is ‘too dangerous’ for a nation of drunks, outlaws booze.
Scuba
Mar 2014
#84
Right, it's the dope that is destroying America, not the corrupt, venal politicians. nt
bemildred
Mar 2014
#86
"The only thing we have to fear is... getting too stoned to be scared shitless 24/7" ?
KurtNYC
Mar 2014
#95
There are a lot of marijuana related things you can go to prison for besides possession
tularetom
Mar 2014
#202
I didn't move no stinking goalposts, you're the one who brought up possession
tularetom
Mar 2014
#217
No, I was responding to a poster who said the guards had job security because of marijuana.
former9thward
Mar 2014
#220
Jerry Browns complete ignorance of strains of Cannibis and it's effects on people
SomethingFishy
Mar 2014
#134