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20. There's a reason why people choose coups over elections. The Ukraine election was coming up in

Tue Mar 4, 2014, 01:05 AM

Mar 2014

a year. Yanukovich had agreed to make it earlier.

If the 'protests's were widely supported across the country, they would have waited. They couldn't wait because they knew the people might not elect who they wanted.

Ukraine appears to have a problem with corruption in their government. Not just this one. And not just the Ukraine. In Iceland, eg, when Wikileaks leaded information on the corruption in the banks, they also revealed corruption in the government. Iceland acted on those leaks, arrested the crooked bankers and the crooked politicians. But since the rest of Europe and the US chose NOT to do the same, we will never know the extent of the corruption throughout Europe, although we do know some of it.

Coups rarely end well for a country. Elections provide a better chance to get more honest leaders. Ukraine's Kiev government is already being called illegitimate in other parts of the country. Anyone too blind to expect this is certainly not fit to lead a country. The only way this new government can control the country now is by FORCE.

It should surprise no one that McCain was over there egging on this coup. That should have been enough to warn the world that nothing good was going to come of this.

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We can not fucking do any fucking thing militarily versus Russia vis-a-vis Ukraine. [View all] cthulu2016 Mar 2014 OP

putin lover. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #1

...and Obama hater. L0oniX Mar 2014 #8

You would say that, Comrade Warren. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #57

What does your post mean? brush Mar 2014 #77

It means that everyone not with the war party Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #78

Just wanted to be clear brush Mar 2014 #79

Try this: bvar22 Mar 2014 #80

No shit lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #2

It is not true that the Americans have never fought Russians FarCenter Mar 2014 #3

The OP is about the post-nuclear world, but cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #5

My dad's uncle died in AEF Siberia dannward Mar 2014 #17

There you go again... Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #4

Risk? Some people are in full Red Dawn mode! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #32

One is either for democracy or isn't. There are democratic ways to remove a president. L0oniX Mar 2014 #6

One can be for democracy and against war. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #9

Ukraine's president was democratically elected. L0oniX Mar 2014 #11

Oh ok, I thought you were advocating for US military intervention. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #13

No way ...peace all the way. L0oniX Mar 2014 #14

! JaneyVee Mar 2014 #15

There's a reason why people choose coups over elections. The Ukraine election was coming up in sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #20

I think you got that backwards... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #33

Actually the Boston Tea Party was in protest to the lowering Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #38

He was impeached and fled the country. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #19

Yeah, that's what's weird, he could have stayed. 2banon Mar 2014 #22

Because he knew he'd be put on trial for ordering violence against protesters, probably. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #27

The trial would've been about his theft of billions as a rich oligarch. joshcryer Mar 2014 #51

Half the country and Crimea are calling the 'new' government illegitimate. Huge anti Kiev sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #29

He was removed by a vote of 328 to 0. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #41

You left out quite a bit that took place before the 'vote'. Thanks, but coups are not democratic sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #43

"Violence with outside influences"? Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #44

An interesting thought, all this violence has given Russia an excuse to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #70

That simple malaise Mar 2014 #54

So you are against protests. nt Progressive dog Mar 2014 #83

Oh ...your still here. L0oniX Mar 2014 #85

So you are against protests and Progressive dog Mar 2014 #86

Seeing shit that isn't being said? Hmmm... You don't live in Colorado do ya? L0oniX Mar 2014 #88

You called them mobs, Progressive dog Mar 2014 #89

Oh you equate mobs as being protests? Protests are usually organized somewhat. L0oniX Mar 2014 #90

No, You equated the protests in Ukraine with mobs Progressive dog Mar 2014 #92

Some people are always trying to start shit. L0oniX Mar 2014 #93

Yes they are, probsbly too Progressive dog Mar 2014 #95

Thank you! fujiyama Mar 2014 #7

+1,000. As good a rant as the OP. Thanks. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #18

The European war was not won by dropping nuclear bombs. amandabeech Mar 2014 #26

Dresden received the equivalent amount of explosive force through carpet bombing. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #40

So what, the reason for Hitler's defeat was ultimately his lack of ability to MillennialDem Mar 2014 #60

I was merely pointing out the amount of ordinance dropped that was non nuclear. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #72

No, the European war was won by the Russians starroute Mar 2014 #48

It's not even that much for the US and UK MillennialDem Mar 2014 #61

Well said. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #10

It's the Dr Strangelove club. They have their own Star Chamber too I guess. L0oniX Mar 2014 #12

Gotta protect those precious bodily fluids! backscatter712 Mar 2014 #81

That is not entirely true. ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #16

Jesus Christ on a crutch. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #23

No it isn't you are missing the underlying plot that this isn't Iraq TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #31

A new proxy conflict coming to a theater near you. One could easily see that happening. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #46

yeah.. how bout we don't test that theory, Joe? dionysus Mar 2014 #34

Are you serious? 'Our logistics would dictate that it be a limited mission'. And Russia would just sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #36

Wow. I've got to second Fleabiscuit. That's pretty ignorant Scootaloo Mar 2014 #39

Well Said, Scootaloo 2banon Mar 2014 #96

Sure glad you aren't involved in national defense. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #42

Dear god, this is fucking scary that Dems are all riled up to kick off some mutually assured Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #45

I just cannot get over how much that sounds like something Bill Kristol would say. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #47

This is truly a maniac thought - if I may say so -- n/t mazzarro Mar 2014 #50

I have to hand it to you folks. These responses are a riot! ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #52

You watch to many movies. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #53

You need to be in the first wave. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #58

Calling Dr Strangelove ...Dr Strangelove ...wanted at the ICBM launch pad. L0oniX Mar 2014 #67

Um, do you remember what happened last time? Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #71

Yeah, I remember. That was the time I had to piss in the radiator. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #74

Team America, World's Police, eh? mr blur Mar 2014 #91

Who's yer daddy? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #21

You afraid of saggy man boobs? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2014 #25

I scream in terror when I see them MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #64

I always pretend that's a picture of a mother about to feed her cubs. chrisa Mar 2014 #66

We could lend intelligence. joshcryer Mar 2014 #24

we would have to have some first in order to lend some. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #69

ROFL! Amen to that! 2banon Mar 2014 #97

But we sure as hell can start a Cold War over this and enrich the MIC even more... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #28

"...that does not end up with Russia being nuked "// that does not end up with Russia AND jtuck004 Mar 2014 #30

War with Russia over the "autonomous region" of Crimea alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #35

War is exciting and shit...As long as you can watch it on TV half a world away.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #37

Words have meaning. angrychair Mar 2014 #49

It begins... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #55

Obama and European leaders seem to know this. Besides relying in the military to respond pampango Mar 2014 #56

The EU is dependent on Russian energy supplies. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #59

You're right. And Russia gets most of its export earnings from oil and natural gas. pampango Mar 2014 #62

The markets today seem to have voted for "meh" w.r.t. Crimea. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #68

The "meh" may be that things have not spun out of control; it looks like Putin may just want Crimea, pampango Mar 2014 #76

Except they're in a good position at the moment. jeff47 Mar 2014 #75

To add, this 'conflict' is a predictable Russian response to Western meddling in the region... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #63

Exactly who is saying that we are? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #65

You skipped an important detail. jeff47 Mar 2014 #73

FGS--War is obsolete. Impossible. Archaic. Over. Defunct. IT CAN NO LONGER BE . librechik Mar 2014 #82

The same also applies in the other direction mythology Mar 2014 #84

IMO Mr Dixon Mar 2014 #87

Sadly, we have a warmongering crowd on DU. Rex Mar 2014 #94