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3catwoman3

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4. I can usually tell...
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 01:02 AM
Mar 2014

...by about 3 or 4 sentences into an immunization discussion, ir I stand the proverbial snowball's chance of making any headway with a vaccine reluctant parent. There is a great difference between parents who come in with legitimate questions, and those who come in with their minds already made up and their mental arms firmly folded across their chests.

A few years back, I frequently saw a family with 3 little girls. At the 18 month visit for the youngest child, the parents announced that they would not be agreeing to any further immunizations. This was rather puzzling, as the first two had been given all the usual protections, and so had the youngest, up to that point. When I inquired as to what had prompted this change of heart, I was told that their church told them that immunizing was polluting God's perfect creations (or words to that effect). I knew right then and there that I wasn't going to be able to come up with any persuasive argument.

The family went on to have two little boys, and remained firm in their stance against immunization. One afternoon, one of my colleagues, who is a very kind soul, was examining the youngest boy for a well visit. She spoke politely but quite firmly with the mother about the potential risks of not vaccinating. When I went to leave at the end of the day, one of the nursing staff said, "Mrs. X is waiting for you in the parking lot." Sure enough, her van was parked right beside my car. No way to pretend I didn't see her.

She sobbed as she told me that she preferred to immunize her children, but their church was one of those "the man is the had of the household" types, and HE had declared that the children would not be immunized. I felt terrible for her, but there was not really anything I could do.

The family continued to come to practice for a while. One of the last times i saw them, the eldest daughter, who was 7 at the time, sneezed in the middle of the office visit. She happily announced, "God must have wanted me to sneeze."
I typically keep my mouth tightly shut about religious matters when on the job, but was unable to let that pass. As gently as I could, I said, "I think God might have bigger decisions than that to worry about." (Not really what I wanted to say, but that was as far as I dared to go.)

Exactly like Nye versus Ham.

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Sounds like this... Rex Mar 2014 #1
Indeed! -eom- HuckleB Mar 2014 #2
Not true. I used to be, if not an ANTI-vaxxer, I was a vaccine skeptic. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #3
Do you have Proloquo2go? Blanks Mar 2014 #9
He uses it at school, but he's not very interested in it. nt Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #15
My daughter is severely autistic... Blanks Mar 2014 #21
Your story is fairly normal as far 1awake Mar 2014 #13
Yeah, I don't know if it's the norm, either. But to categorically say that Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #16
I can usually tell... 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #4
Sounds like there is a big difference between as some folks have called them a vaccine-skeptic vs stevenleser Mar 2014 #67
This isn't just anti-vaccine. ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #5
+1 villager Mar 2014 #6
Exactly. -eom- HuckleB Mar 2014 #10
yup. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #40
They're immunized (cue rimshot) against contrary information. nt Deep13 Mar 2014 #7
LOL. nt La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #42
It doesn't sound like the study shows any such thing. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #8
Or they just are not open to actual information. HuckleB Mar 2014 #11
. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #20
You do understand what the term "preliminary research" means, right? HuckleB Mar 2014 #24
Yes I do. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #27
No, I haven't. HuckleB Mar 2014 #30
Lol! You have no idea what my knowledge or opinions Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #36
Actually, I do. HuckleB Mar 2014 #37
Wow. You're stalking my recs Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #47
Wow! You're making baseless assumptions. HuckleB Mar 2014 #49
Likewise. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #54
Awwww. I'm sorry that intellectual honestly is not your thing. HuckleB Mar 2014 #56
Likewise. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #58
Derp. HuckleB Mar 2014 #59
I don't think my intellect is up to addressing this final argument of yours. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #60
You've offered intellect? HuckleB Mar 2014 #61
Well certainly nothing to match the caliber of "derp". Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #62
Ah, so you've offered nothing. HuckleB Mar 2014 #63
All woo secures itself by demanding it's believers cut themselves off from reality. chrisa Mar 2014 #12
I heard a little discussion about this on NPR. redqueen Mar 2014 #14
Same with some creationists sakabatou Mar 2014 #17
The Panic Virus, by Seth Mnookin WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #18
+1 HuckleB Mar 2014 #25
There is a large group of people that don't trust big pharma... Blanks Mar 2014 #19
Problem with your theory jeff47 Mar 2014 #23
As dangerous as I feared? Blanks Mar 2014 #29
We don't have to play "what-if" jeff47 Mar 2014 #35
I've also seen studies to this effect about global warming and creationism. DanTex Mar 2014 #22
I'm guessing it would hold true for most anti-science positions. HuckleB Mar 2014 #26
I'm not against vaccines. I am mistrustful of pharma companies Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #28
There's far more oversight there than in most areas. HuckleB Mar 2014 #31
Pharmaceutical companies are notorious for their misdeeds. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #33
That's your response? HuckleB Mar 2014 #38
What, do you need me to list their misdeeds (which you already know anyhow)? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #39
In other words, you have no actual concerns about vaccines, but... HuckleB Mar 2014 #41
Oh good grief. I already said I'm not against vaccines per se, but against pharma companies Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #43
Yes, you've repeated that pointless cliche. HuckleB Mar 2014 #45
It is a cliche to you. It's reality to me. I don't trust pharma corporations nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #46
It's a preconceived notion to you. HuckleB Mar 2014 #50
No, it isn't. It's something I've witnessed and read about in depth. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #52
Derp. HuckleB Mar 2014 #53
And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Mar 2014 #66
Yeah, I had one of those howling religious fanatics in my exam room once, bringing his poor Aristus Mar 2014 #32
du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #34
Same thing with trying to make ReThugs believe in C limate Change. Just makes them honker down. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #44
Yes, but according to Anti-vaxxers, you can't trust most studies. n/t hughee99 Mar 2014 #48
That's why public health laws mandate vaccination for public school attendance Warpy Mar 2014 #51
People forget that the vaccine safety movement sprang up in connection with the old DPT vaccine, pnwmom Mar 2014 #55
FFS. HuckleB Mar 2014 #57
Your OP was nothing but your usual meme. What else do you ever talk about? pnwmom Mar 2014 #64
And then you go to the usual unverifiable claims routine. HuckleB Mar 2014 #65
And, as usual, you call me a liar. pnwmom Mar 2014 #69
I'm saying you almost always offer unverifiable stuff. HuckleB Mar 2014 #70
What a crock. You only read posts about vaccines so you have no idea what I post. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #71
Actually, I do. HuckleB Mar 2014 #73
Steven Novella Offers A Better Portrayal Of The Study And Its Conclusions HuckleB Mar 2014 #68
Too many idiots are still opting out here in Texas. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #72
It's bad all over, I guess. HuckleB Mar 2014 #74
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