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JustAnotherGen

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209. Good luck with that - i.e.

Tue Mar 4, 2014, 02:25 PM

Mar 2014

Disagreeing with a parent having any financial obligation to the child once they . . . It's the state of family law in America today.

Not in all states - but NJ is very similar to NY. Non Custodial parent - there's a reason why the acronym C.O.D. came into play.

Now having had a brother who had custody from the time my niece was 15 and on - and considering her mother threw her away once she had her shiny new toys (aka new family) - I'm very glad when he went back for custody he had that written in. Ironically - what he could not get in C.S. over the years - her appealing on her own behalf when she was 18 with her father is how she has been able to go to R.I.T.

These stories/situations happen to both men and women. Before we throw up a new gender war - let's be aware that men also receive c.s. And have to fight for c.s. And have to go for wage garnishments.

Now - I think we would both agree - all or nothing.

If children of intact homes are not guaranteed financial assistance for University - no one should be.

And note - my parents paid for the vast majority of my private Catholic University education. However - for me that was a PRIVILEGE. Not a guarantee. And the rules were they didn't pay for anything less than a B.

If you received less than a B - you owed them money back.

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18 year old sues parents for kicking her out and not paying her tuition [View all] davidn3600 Mar 2014 OP

Why can't she just stick it out until June when she's off to College? bravenak Mar 2014 #1

We are only getting the parents' side of the story here. Mariana Mar 2014 #7

Yeah. bravenak Mar 2014 #11

Thing is, at 18 they don't legally owe her anything... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #12

She's SOL, unless there's something we don't know about. Mariana Mar 2014 #15

I think she is SOL. I think the lawsuit is based on claiming that she's not "really" emancipated. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #24

"College fund" jberryhill Mar 2014 #69

OTOH, federal law doesn't allow a college student to get financial aid pnwmom Mar 2014 #75

That's what I was thinking. I didn't get to go to college DebJ Mar 2014 #142

I don't agree. I think families should get along and adults and support be given lovingly Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #176

Is this new? PasadenaTrudy Mar 2014 #181

Not new, has been around since the 90s tammywammy Mar 2014 #190

A few things... davidn3600 Mar 2014 #14

I doubt she has a case with the college fund tammywammy Mar 2014 #17

Depends on the type of college fund. Chan790 Mar 2014 #50

That has never been my understanding about 529 plans. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #56

529 is owned by the parents joeglow3 Mar 2014 #58

Yes, but there are penalties if the 529 is not used for tuition. liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #59

Correct. Or they could roll it to another 529 joeglow3 Mar 2014 #62

Absolutely! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #191

Yup, since there are tax consequences, of course. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #189

Look up the NJ College Tuition savings plan. The beneficiary has no say in it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #193

That depends (about her college tuition plan). The tuition plans are in the possession and Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #23

Not if they put it in a Uniform Gift to Minors account. If they did, it belongs to her, pnwmom Mar 2014 #99

Certainly. However, the preponderance are owned by the person who opened the account Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #173

Actually, the parents CAN control that to some extent WolverineDG Mar 2014 #25

Depends on the type of college fund. Chan790 Mar 2014 #51

Wrong. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #60

It depends on how they gifted it. If it is a Uniform Gift to Minors Account, they'll be stuck. pnwmom Mar 2014 #97

Not true. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #141

Not the case. It continues to be an asset of the parents. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #195

She doesn't get to college without high school jberryhill Mar 2014 #70

And besides, any private school requires parents to sign enrollment contracts in the spring. pnwmom Mar 2014 #109

The tuition payment is a matter between the school and the parents. DebJ Mar 2014 #144

I don't see how there is any legal case here treestar Mar 2014 #164

actually the original article includes quotes from the girls court documents TeamPooka Mar 2014 #89

It doesn't matter, she is 18, WTF the court is wasting time on this who knows snooper2 Mar 2014 #172

It's that sense of entitlement parents have allowed kids to have... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #27

Well, they need to cut it out. bravenak Mar 2014 #28

It could well be their fault. Maybe they spoiled her rotten. Who knows, right? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #34

We agree!!!! joeglow3 Mar 2014 #63

woohoo!! That calls for a celebration! Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #179

I know jberryhill Mar 2014 #71

great quote from the big article... TeamPooka Mar 2014 #90

You missed some key information. pnwmom Mar 2014 #101

Her Mother called her a foul name? blueamy66 Mar 2014 #115

I think it was more than that. They also witnessed an interaction between the father, pnwmom Mar 2014 #116

You make good points get the red out Mar 2014 #139

And sometimes even CPS gets bamboozled by a surface veneer, since they can see pnwmom Mar 2014 #202

pnwmom, the only 'flag' I see is that school's are terrified of DebJ Mar 2014 #148

I agree that we don't know all the facts. That's why I think too many people here pnwmom Mar 2014 #201

Until the facts come out in court, it is waaayyy to early to judge this. DebJ Mar 2014 #146

"some difficult meetings" Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #169

A "rough encounter"? Jake Stern Mar 2014 #200

That quote is from the father. Mariana Mar 2014 #175

It sure appears that way! It's not the first nor the last time this sort of thing happens. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #178

It's the sense of entitlement these parents have, pnwmom Mar 2014 #98

I'm sure they'll pay the private school, and ought to. Private schools rely on their tuition. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #177

We don't know the whole story, do we? pnwmom Mar 2014 #74

That's why it was a question. bravenak Mar 2014 #93

I bet her lawyer is arguing that her college account was a "Uniform Gift to Minors" account, pnwmom Mar 2014 #94

I think she has been fortunate in her lifestyle if not her parents. bravenak Mar 2014 #104

When you have a Uniform Gift to Minors account, one of the parents can be a "custodian." pnwmom Mar 2014 #105

I really hope that's the case. bravenak Mar 2014 #213

I'm so glad it worked out for you in the long run, but what a horrible story. pnwmom Mar 2014 #214

wow... you're an amazing person renate Mar 2014 #241

It was worse for her than it could ever be for me. bravenak Mar 2014 #245

Very true. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #196

True and this is obviously being used treestar Mar 2014 #166

She is of age of majority and can be shown the door by her parents. Nika Mar 2014 #2

She's still in high school though kcr Mar 2014 #13

Maybe the private high school bill as they TBF Mar 2014 #19

The girl isn't out of luck with regard to the tuition. Her parents are. pnwmom Mar 2014 #102

I believe that's what I said??? TBF Mar 2014 #125

You said "maybe" which meant to me that you weren't very sure. pnwmom Mar 2014 #127

Ah, I see - TBF Mar 2014 #133

It might be a little more complicated than that. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #21

May actually be a contract law case with the school tuition. JimDandy Mar 2014 #37

agree. I think breach of promise is part of contract law. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #42

Provided there was not expectations in return for that promise joeglow3 Mar 2014 #65

No. The contract is the one the parents signed with the school. pnwmom Mar 2014 #100

Never had that at any of our schools joeglow3 Mar 2014 #143

But the school is allowing Rachel to continue to attend, so there is no 'detriment' for her DebJ Mar 2014 #151

I'm sure it is a contract law case. The parents would have signed a contract last spring pnwmom Mar 2014 #96

if she hasn't even graduated high school yet qazplm Mar 2014 #251

Yeah, but they can't steal any money they already gifted to her pnwmom Mar 2014 #95

the friend's father is an attorney. that explains most of it. $$$ nt msongs Mar 2014 #3

I imagine he wants the girl out of his house too Scootaloo Mar 2014 #4

He's not making money, he's spending money. pnwmom Mar 2014 #124

Asking for legal fees. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #149

Her parents called his kid "a bad influence" and probably a lot of other stuff KurtNYC Mar 2014 #160

This is what happens when spoiled brats get lawyers. Squinch Mar 2014 #5

Squinch, there's another side to this story, which I believe, pnwmom Mar 2014 #103

I can't get to page 2 at that link. blueamy66 Mar 2014 #117

In the Daily Mail article, the father says the girl is alleging emotional and physical abuse. pnwmom Mar 2014 #118

I agree that the school should be paid. blueamy66 Mar 2014 #119

The girl is alleging physical and emotional abuse -- according to her father. pnwmom Mar 2014 #120

Like I said, I couldn't past page 1 at the link blueamy66 Mar 2014 #122

The father's statement about physical abuse was in the Daily Mail article. pnwmom Mar 2014 #123

You're right. At 18 she is no longer CPS' problem OR blueamy66 Mar 2014 #132

How do you know her parents weren't abusive? Why were so many people pnwmom Mar 2014 #138

What does that have to do with her court case? blueamy66 Mar 2014 #140

Why do you think that her parents 'ethically' should pay for college? kiva Mar 2014 #168

In general, I don't think that it is a parent's moral obligation. blueamy66 Mar 2014 #180

Or the school was just DebJ Mar 2014 #154

Not the Onion? I'm surprised. nt MrScorpio Mar 2014 #6

Wow, scum bag lawyers. Spoiled brat it sounds like to me. nt Logical Mar 2014 #8

yeah, you'll diss lawyers until they come after Big Bread Sticks, then let's see how fast you change dionysus Mar 2014 #46

Well, the girl has deadbeat parents. They think that an argument with their daughter pnwmom Mar 2014 #106

I thought you wanted to reserve judgment? demwing Mar 2014 #145

That part is pretty cut and dried. The parents aren't disputing the fact that pnwmom Mar 2014 #222

"the girl has deadbeat parents" NCTraveler Mar 2014 #153

They signed a legal contract to pay the tuition and they have the financial means to do so. pnwmom Mar 2014 #223

deadbeat parents? WTF? TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #221

Way to overreact! The parents don't owe HER a private education. They owe THE SCHOOL the tuition pnwmom Mar 2014 #225

I didn't overlook a damn thing TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #230

No, the school has said the parents haven't honored the contract. pnwmom Mar 2014 #242

You put into words exactly what I was thinking. Jake Stern Mar 2014 #240

Thank you TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #244

lawyers can't just make up cases treestar Mar 2014 #167

You know that is a wide wide range. nt Logical Mar 2014 #185

Seems to me like the boyfriend's lawyer father is a big a-hole madaboutharry Mar 2014 #9

Best friend's father, not boyfriend. n/t tammywammy Mar 2014 #10

OK..Then... her best friend's lawyer father is a big a-hole madaboutharry Mar 2014 #16

I think he might be a hero. pnwmom Mar 2014 #107

Having worked in a volatile middle-school for a year, I can say that DebJ Mar 2014 #155

She's probably a real piece of work. Oh, the problems of the rich..................... kestrel91316 Mar 2014 #18

Why are so many here automatically assuming there isn't another side to this story? pnwmom Mar 2014 #108

+100 Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #136

People are entitled to their opinion. Particularly on a discussion board. kestrel91316 Mar 2014 #250

Apparently, she took her sister's belongings and wouldn't give them back... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #20

Interesting that the administration at her school Mariana Mar 2014 #29

Well, the article explains that the parents ceased paying for her high school the moment she Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #31

And with her own cop! jberryhill Mar 2014 #73

The school has no motivation to alienate the parents. They will get their tuition money pnwmom Mar 2014 #112

Not only that -- they advised the girl not to go home pnwmom Mar 2014 #111

Of course they don't have anything negative to say. Doing that would be quite foolhardy DebJ Mar 2014 #157

We don't know what the CPS said. We know what the father CLAIMED they said. pnwmom Mar 2014 #110

"How long do parents have to pay for someone to party-party-party?" yellowcanine Mar 2014 #184

I agree on the high school, though there are plenty of public schools around, and I think their Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #188

I bet breaking up with the boyfriend is the big thing her parents are demanding gollygee Mar 2014 #22

Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, at 18, that's "too long in the tooth" to demand support. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #26

I can't image how she'd have any legal standing to require them to pay anything or support her gollygee Mar 2014 #30

No, I don't think 18 is too old for mom and dad to be sweet. But if the girl is not sweet... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #32

"narcissistic freak"? really? frankly I find what you write about kids here, disturbing cali Mar 2014 #35

Are you serious? Parents have been treating kids like royalty for a couple of decades now... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #36

Yes, it turns them into shitty parents, apparently jberryhill Mar 2014 #83

And some parents have been abusing their children for centuries, with very very bad results. pnwmom Mar 2014 #129

Apples and oranges. I'm discussing the current trend, and you're discussing criminal activity. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #170

It's kind of amazing how people are making such strong conclusions pnwmom Mar 2014 #128

This girl reminds me of the spoiled kids on that MTV "Sweet 16" show davidn3600 Mar 2014 #38

It's a new fad - spoiling kids rotten till they expect everything for nothing nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #40

Why are you assuming that there isn't another side to this story? pnwmom Mar 2014 #113

The father says the girl is alleging physical and emotional abuse. Are you completely pnwmom Mar 2014 #121

She CAN demand the college money if it was put in a "Uniform Gift to Minors" account, pnwmom Mar 2014 #79

Bingo jberryhill Mar 2014 #80

By being "pulled," you mean . . . pnwmom Mar 2014 #82

That and more jberryhill Mar 2014 #84

I am aware that in some states, judges have ruled that a parent pnwmom Mar 2014 #86

Where have you seen a 529 in a UGTMA account? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #158

That is my take too. The parents are control freaks. That the boyfriend was mentioned is a tell stevenleser Mar 2014 #61

It says a lot that the high school personnel Mariana Mar 2014 #68

Well, if you leave voluntarily such a lawsuit must largely fail. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #33

The 18 year old is too old for CPS to be involved now, but the father claims pnwmom Mar 2014 #130

I don't see 'strong support'. I see legally advisable actions taken by the DebJ Mar 2014 #161

Good for her. H2O Man Mar 2014 #39

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #44

I see the parents' side for sure madville Mar 2014 #41

Parents: "We're not draconian." Hissyspit Mar 2014 #67

Has your son ever gone to authorities and accused you of physical and emotional abuse? pnwmom Mar 2014 #131

Apparently she has a job tabbycat31 Mar 2014 #43

I bet the court tosses it. No standing to sue. idendoit Mar 2014 #45

She certainly has standing to sue on her own behalf. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #47

She hasn't claimed she was unaware that rules were attached. idendoit Mar 2014 #48

I don't know what she has claimed other than what is in the articles. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #49

She's not asking for that. She's asking for funds that were apparently put away in her name. pnwmom Mar 2014 #203

If they gifted that money to her over the years and put it in a "Uniform Gift to Minors" pnwmom Mar 2014 #85

A UGTM account becomes the property of the child JimDandy Mar 2014 #187

It would seem that her high school does not ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #52

Maybe her high school did do that. Mariana Mar 2014 #174

OK, now THIS is a frivilous lawsuit bluestateguy Mar 2014 #53

If the parents legally gifted her the money over the years and put it into a college account pnwmom Mar 2014 #78

Actually this is a very interesting case JimDandy Mar 2014 #192

You are complexifying a very simple common sense issue bluestateguy Mar 2014 #215

My daughter weng to school with a girl mackerel Mar 2014 #54

How is it we know about this? brentspeak Mar 2014 #55

It's always really sad when the relationship deteriorates like that because then the whole thing liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #57

Yes, I agree and this sounds like the parents are control freaks. You dont get to control your stevenleser Mar 2014 #64

About that "college fund" jberryhill Mar 2014 #66

Hey, the mob has spoken. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #137

The parents claim she was not kicked out,though. DebJ Mar 2014 #162

"Drop your boyfriend or leave. It's your choice." jberryhill Mar 2014 #171

This will be thrown out of court. The parents win. She is not a minor anymore. TeamPooka Mar 2014 #72

Not true, if they already gifted the girl the money in the college fund. pnwmom Mar 2014 #77

If it a properly structured trust perhaps but if it's just an account in the parents names w/ intent TeamPooka Mar 2014 #88

It sounds like it's an account in the girls' name. And you don't have to have a trust for that. pnwmom Mar 2014 #126

Then she can obtain the money without suing. Contact the plan, and voila! :) Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #197

That was my point. Shje does not have access TeamPooka Mar 2014 #207

Exactly! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #228

It figures. liberalmuse Mar 2014 #76

Yeah they sound like assholes to me laundry_queen Mar 2014 #182

If this "college fund" is in a "uniform gift to minors" account, then it was already given to her pnwmom Mar 2014 #81

I was never kicked out of my parents' Jenoch Mar 2014 #87

How much did college cost back then? And are you aware that student aid rules pnwmom Mar 2014 #114

It was equal to about $15,000 in today's money. Jenoch Mar 2014 #150

Unfortunately federal loan limits haven't kept up with cost of attendance. She can ONLY MissB Mar 2014 #152

I worked year 'round since the age of 15 Jenoch Mar 2014 #232

Which is great. I'm going to guess that you and I probably went to college around the same era. MissB Mar 2014 #237

I went to a community college Jenoch Mar 2014 #239

Oooh.... I would LOVE that deal. MissB Mar 2014 #243

When do we start the "affluenza" telethon to raise the money and end this disease? TeamPooka Mar 2014 #91

Everything about the dad screams "creepy control freak" Recursion Mar 2014 #92

yea... 1awake Mar 2014 #134

Oh, my nolkyz Mar 2014 #135

I look at this in a different way - this move may be strictly MissB Mar 2014 #147

That's something I think is likely, too. Either way, this could help. pnwmom Mar 2014 #205

Yeah, I remember trying to get MissB Mar 2014 #210

I wonder what her future employers will think about all this. nt Blue Diadem Mar 2014 #156

Hopefully, they'll care about what the real facts were. CPS is no longer involved pnwmom Mar 2014 #211

I was Admin/Moderator at a site for women living in step for years JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #159

I totally agree with you. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #183

I agree with legal standing should not exboyfil Mar 2014 #208

Good luck with that - i.e. JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #209

I have already funded full tuition in 529s for exboyfil Mar 2014 #212

Although my initial reaction was very negative, I'm going to keep an open mind on this one. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #163

What we really need to see is the complaint treestar Mar 2014 #186

FWIW, I saw a blurb from the dad this morning City Lights Mar 2014 #165

But I'm sure she's cut out of the will at this point. lol cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #194

Absolutely! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #199

This young lady is concerned about making something of herself by going to college, JimDandy Mar 2014 #216

LOL cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #220

Share the joke. I could use a laugh. n/t JimDandy Mar 2014 #226

They're kind people. It's their asset, not hers. However, she's shutting lots of doors behind her. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #198

How do you know the parents are kind people? JimDandy Mar 2014 #217

Because they could've sent her to public school and saved their money Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #227

The vast majority of parents don't send their kids to private school because they are "kind". ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2014 #238

Yes, for their kids to do well. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #246

I don't know enough. I am seeing the Parent's side but I am not against Xyzse Mar 2014 #204

The family she lives with should get child support till shes done with her undergrad. Exultant Democracy Mar 2014 #206

Parents are saying she can have the college fund JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #219

To Be Clear -She (Rachel) is suing her Parents for Child Support JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #218

Very interesting article. I particularly noticed this: Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #231

I caught the tail end JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #235

Doesn't surprise me. Kids nowadays are spoiled until they're so entitled there's no end to it. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #236

I think SOME kids are JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #248

I agree that not all kids are this way, and I agree that some parents who are parents rather than Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #249

Live feed from reporter Michael Izzo of the Bergen Daily Record FarCenter Mar 2014 #224

:) I figured the judge would say as much. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #229

Thanks for the info! nt City Lights Mar 2014 #233

Good. blueamy66 Mar 2014 #234

the little shit left some terrible voice mails to her mother shanti Mar 2014 #247