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pampango

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39. China respects Russia's influence over Ukraine like they want respect their influence over Tibet,

Tue Mar 4, 2014, 04:58 PM

Mar 2014

perhaps even Taiwan, one day.

I doubt they care about Ukrainians but "historical ties" and "sphere of influence" arguments are the same for Russia in Ukraine and China in Tibet and one day in Taiwan.

China has traditionally been a super advocate of national sovereignty, territorial integrity and non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries. Partly they may have really believed it and partly because they did not want anyone interfering in their affairs so it seemed like a great doctrine to support when they weren't as strong as they are now.

Now China seems to see the wisdom of scaling back a little on the whole "non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries". Why? I think they see self-interest in this new perspective.

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Commentary: West Should Work With, Not Against, Russia In Handling Ukraine Crisis [View all] Purveyor Mar 2014 OP

Paid for Putin for World Dictator LLC kickysnana Mar 2014 #1

You're right, but the neocons are in charge and so long as they are allowed to roam free, there will sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #2

Thanks for one voice of reason in these comments so far... MattSh Mar 2014 #6

say what? first of all, President Obama is not a neocon cali Mar 2014 #12

I guess you've missed the neocons, Bolton et al CRITIZING the President for not sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #17

I haven't missed them. You claim that they're in charge. cali Mar 2014 #19

Speaking of bullshit! No you don't detest it or you would not dismiss the influence of the Neocons sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #20

Agree Sabrina...! Thank you for speaking out so clearly. KoKo Mar 2014 #28

It amazes me too Koko, the total denial of Neocon influence. Thanks for the reminder of Nuland's sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #29

Your giving us pearls again, Sabrina 1000words Mar 2014 #30

That McCain Reminder, meeting with the Ukrainian Neo-Nazi's... KoKo Mar 2014 #38

He probably didn't know anything about them and apparently he's not the type to do much research on sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #41

Might be a great Documentary...if we ever work through all this.... KoKo Mar 2014 #44

Not to mention his 'lucky escape' from jail regarding, was it the Savings and Loan scandal? They sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #46

Keating Five...I think it was. KoKo Mar 2014 #51

You THOUGHT you 'called me on it'. Wrong. Go back and read the information provided that sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #43

Bolton's not in charge, is he? smokey775 Mar 2014 #33

I don't believe I said he was still in any position in governent. What was his position in Bush's sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #42

Bolton is a Face and Voice for the "Project of the New American Century" (PNAC) KoKo Mar 2014 #45

Thanks Koko, 'there are none so blind as those who will not see'. People are confused. They are sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #47

Almost converted, eh? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #49

So say the illegal occupiers of Tibet. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #3

No kidding. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #10

you and I are often at loggerheads, but that piece of propaganda is dog shit. cali Mar 2014 #13

it's amazing, people say that because the Iraq war (which we OPPOSED) was geek tragedy Mar 2014 #15

"only hypocrites can't forgive hypocrisy" and all that but cali Mar 2014 #16

Hypocrisy all over the place, isn't there? If only there was one nation whose hands were clean sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #48

Replace Russia with China and Ukraine with Taiwan..... Nuff said. Nt pkdu Mar 2014 #4

LOL. China would love inaction. It would bode well for Taiwan Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #5

Actually I think they are correct. Russia does have ties to Ukraine and the Western powers OregonBlue Mar 2014 #7

Russia has a lease until 2042 on bases in Crimea. amandabeech Mar 2014 #40

The new meme is that Putin really is a good guy after all. Just ask the Republicans. chrisa Mar 2014 #8

Yup, so easy to swallow such bullshit for some people... joeybee12 Mar 2014 #14

Republicans hate Putin. John McCain and Bolton and the Freepers think Putin is a good guy? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #21

They admire him for his "toughness." He's standing up to Obama! chrisa Mar 2014 #23

They hate the LEFT and they love WAR. They want Putin crushed and are merely BAITING sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #25

I think you're right in a way, but the Right also admires Putin's authoritarianism. chrisa Mar 2014 #26

They hate him because they view him as part of the Old Soviet Union. They CRITICIZED him on sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #27

oh baloney. propraganda. cali Mar 2014 #9

Where do you get your news from that isn't tainted with propaganda? Purveyor Mar 2014 #31

Moving to the PRC's state news agency now? NuclearDem Mar 2014 #11

What the hell you afraid of? Have you not the willpower to read the foreign Purveyor Mar 2014 #32

If you want to start citing the press, be my guest. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #34

That is all fine and good but some, including my self care to hear the gov't Purveyor Mar 2014 #35

Fine, do so all you want. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #36

I have no problem with that and when you find an 'independent journalist' that Purveyor Mar 2014 #37

And the frog should work with the scorpion when crossing the river. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #18

Dr. Strangelove disagrees. L0oniX Mar 2014 #22

At some point the West will have to work with Russia IsItJustMe Mar 2014 #24

China respects Russia's influence over Ukraine like they want respect their influence over Tibet, pampango Mar 2014 #39

So when can I expect to see the Russian news agency mythology Mar 2014 #50