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19. Another underlying fallacy

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:12 PM

Mar 2014

we don’t want to turn the safety net into a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency, that drains them of their will and their incentive to make the most of their lives.

Who is Ryan to dictate what 'making the most of their lives' is for other people? This is one of the bogus 'virtues' of the Right Wing. Let's see …
Henry David Thoreau didn't have a job … he wasted his life writing.
Daniel Boone was not gainfully employed … he flitted away his life exploring and -gasp - living off the land.
Van Gogh was chronically unemployed … and he persisted in an unprofitable enterprise all his life.
Let's not even mention Ann Romney.

The vision Ryan and the Right Wing have is a population of employees, all competing with each other for a chance at the diminishing number of jobs the 1% create for us. It is a culture where effort and contribution must measurable on a spreadsheet and the meaning of life is 'productivity'

Culture is more than the business of business. It is the idea that contributions come in many forms and in many ways. The RW would have the definition of contribution narrowed to fit neatly within the profit motive.

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The Real Poverty Trap..Paul Krugman..wow [View all] Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 OP

The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Mar 2014 #1

I agree Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #2

The only "social mobility" they are interested in... malthaussen Mar 2014 #5

If the job moves these days, the corporation sure as hell LibDemAlways Mar 2014 #12

Actually, they sometimes do JayhawkSD Mar 2014 #15

HR firms in my experience usually handle middle- to high-level management jobs. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #20

Perhaps you missed the part where I said "my wife works for..." JayhawkSD Mar 2014 #25

My husband is an engineer with many years of experience. LibDemAlways Mar 2014 #32

I really don't think Jay is ever going to agree with what a LibDem has to say. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #36

True. Those who think companies out there LibDemAlways Mar 2014 #38

There may be occasional situations to the contrary, but in general the workers Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #39

During the Reagan Administration, we called it Restructuring. The company moves and restarts DhhD Mar 2014 #18

+1 jsr Mar 2014 #6

They are currently engaged in Pulling Up the Ladders.. bvar22 Mar 2014 #29

K & MoFo R this reply. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #40

Exactly! ctsnowman Mar 2014 #42

Ryan's arguments aren't supposed to be, y'know, fact-based. Jerry442 Mar 2014 #3

WHAT'S ON THE TABLE THESE DAYS? Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #4

Not food. Some want food off the table. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #44

Reasonable voices? woo me with science Mar 2014 #8

Yep. Exactly. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #22

Fact-based campaigning? JayhawkSD Mar 2014 #16

Good point. However, I wish we would do more to address single parenthood joeglow3 Mar 2014 #7

That "study" has been ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #9

But what percentage of single parent families are wealthy vs wealthy couples? n/t Fumesucker Mar 2014 #10

Granted ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #11

I agree it ties in to wealth joeglow3 Mar 2014 #23

+ 1000. Abusive is the key word. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #24

Excellent post JD! nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #35

single parenthood is not the problem Stargazer99 Mar 2014 #41

Do you disgaree that the likelihood is the same for two parent families? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #45

The answer is a living wage. Focusing on marriage is a distraction pushed by the right. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #46

Doesn't change even with a living wage joeglow3 Mar 2014 #47

Your evidence for this "natural advantage"? nt redqueen Mar 2014 #49

Common sense. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #51

It's simple, all right. It's a facile, shallow examination of a very complex issue. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #52

And yet, it is the single greatest predictor of a child's success joeglow3 Mar 2014 #53

According to that 30-year-old study? nt redqueen Mar 2014 #54

If by 30 year old, you mean from Jan. of 2014, then yes joeglow3 Mar 2014 #55

Can't read pdf on phone and no internet atm. redqueen Mar 2014 #56

Sure. No problem. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #58

pretty much the same on abortion PatrynXX Mar 2014 #13

du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #14

Having raised children on my own PatSeg Mar 2014 #17

Another underlying fallacy Vox Moi Mar 2014 #19

+1,000,000! eom dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #37

Very well said. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #48

when he says onethatcares Mar 2014 #50

Always a Treat When The Man Goes To Town, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #21

Wrong just like the entire right-wing dogma is wrong-headed and virulently un-American. 'Nuff indepat Mar 2014 #26

K & R SunSeeker Mar 2014 #27

They say they are just trying to help the poor by cutting food stamps and welfare.... ErikJ Mar 2014 #28

Two parents better than one? artemis starwolf Mar 2014 #30

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #31

Food stamps just cut AGAIN, too. merrily Mar 2014 #33

knr alfredo Mar 2014 #34

The right ctsnowman Mar 2014 #43

K&R. myrna minx Mar 2014 #57