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phleshdef

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239. Give it up. You lost this in your own circular logic. Just admit it.

Wed Mar 5, 2014, 07:25 PM

Mar 2014

You said he shouldn't be there because theres a (potential) restraining order but there was no restraining order until after this happened, which you acknowledge but then turn around and say he shouldn't be there because theres a (potential) restraining order. And then you just keep going around and around and around on that line of reasoning.

Face facts. Before this even happened, there was nothing, morally or legally, that existed that should have prevented him from going into his own damn house. There were no accusations of domestic dispute that I've heard of before this incident. So he had every right to be there, morally and legally. Now, we don't know if he actually did anything to her. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. And maybe she'll be granted a restraining order, maybe she won't. But that's all to be seen and nothing that occurred after he showed up has ANY bearing over the situation before he showed up, as much as you would like to say otherwise.

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Alan Grayson's Divorce issue. It just got sadder. There's video [View all] Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 OP

Well at least it was of her hitting him Politicalboi Mar 2014 #1

I think there's no question about that now. Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #3

Not defending either one, mimi85 Mar 2014 #346

maybe cvoogt Mar 2014 #356

That is not going to set well with the RC Mar 2014 #2

I suspect that those who have a gut instinct about him will still find fault. Orrex Mar 2014 #12

Check below, already a new meme now LOL snooper2 Mar 2014 #28

Yeah, who needs proof of anything around here anymore. RC Mar 2014 #80

Proof, schmoof. closeupready Mar 2014 #175

Proof. That's like science smience. nt valerief Mar 2014 #204

might have something to do with that 18 million he lost? Whisp Mar 2014 #300

I know. Imagine thinking that a man shouldn't be immune BainsBane Mar 2014 #102

I know, imagine thinking that the wife is as capable of abuse as the husband snooper2 Mar 2014 #128

What facts would those be? BainsBane Mar 2014 #140

"women commit as much" I didn't say as much now did I? snooper2 Mar 2014 #174

I'll quote what you said BainsBane Mar 2014 #210

actually men get abused by women but they are too embarrasses usually to report it. and of course roguevalley Mar 2014 #302

Women seldom report domestic violence either BainsBane Mar 2014 #333

since we weren't there none of us know. it will be sorted out. roguevalley Mar 2014 #354

That video is on a loop BainsBane Mar 2014 #234

It shows she hit him, right? Or are you arguing that it doesn't show why he deserved it? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #266

There are women who take advantage of the fact that their men won't hit back elehhhhna Mar 2014 #305

It shows two seconds BainsBane Mar 2014 #332

That study again. kcr Mar 2014 #335

Makes you wonder BainsBane Mar 2014 #349

Probably. He's posted it before, multiple times. kcr Mar 2014 #352

And will continue to... lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #380

Just like arguing with climate deniers and anti vaxxers kcr Mar 2014 #381

Of course I did. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #375

Jeff, please tell us how that paper BainsBane Mar 2014 #350

It is consistent with all modern studies of the issue. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #379

How do you suppose it is that the incidence of severe battery BainsBane Mar 2014 #385

It is absolutely relevant. In fact it's a central issue. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #390

I would appreciate it BainsBane Mar 2014 #392

I'm suggesting that you should take more seriously the issue of injurious violence against *women* lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #394

I understand that BainsBane Mar 2014 #395

Then help me understand. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #396

The video doesn't enable us to see whether he struck her prior to the seconds shown BainsBane Mar 2014 #398

imagine thinking that a human shouldn't be immune to battery charges villager Mar 2014 #162

You're sure I'd dismiss them? Why is that? BainsBane Mar 2014 #216

Both men and women are capable of battery. Not every man is ipso facto guilty. villager Mar 2014 #231

I have no reason to disbelieve you BainsBane Mar 2014 #236

I do not like the fact that you are bound and determined Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2014 #328

Believe me, I include you in nothing BainsBane Mar 2014 #330

I'm a different kind of woman than you are. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2014 #336

No, quite the opposite BainsBane Mar 2014 #341

Lolita Grayson was the aggressor...Alan is legal eagle HipChick Mar 2014 #138

Who has decleared him guilty? BainsBane Mar 2014 #100

Links to what? I posted my opinion. Maybe you should read the rest of the thread first - RC Mar 2014 #127

Links to your assertion that "the usual suspects" have declared him guility BainsBane Mar 2014 #132

Support your assertion with some links of your own. RC Mar 2014 #179

Thank you.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #192

You are Welcome. RC Mar 2014 #194

"Shrill" is an unwise term to use treestar Mar 2014 #215

Once again.. CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #331

I don't know what I'd call five paragraphs in one post kcr Mar 2014 #337

First... I am not attempting to distance myself from anyone. CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #361

Only when that poster accuses others of being shrill kcr Mar 2014 #365

My goodness... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #368

So, agreeing with someone is being a lemming? kcr Mar 2014 #374

LOL.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #376

Yes. I said you disdain them kcr Mar 2014 #382

Thank you.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #384

But I never said I didn't say it though kcr Mar 2014 #386

One more time... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #387

Okay. So, where am I saying you said you disdain them? kcr Mar 2014 #388

Enough.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #389

Yes. I think you disdain them kcr Mar 2014 #391

I said I wasn't going to answer these inane comments again.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #393

Use "shrill" and you sound like an anti-feminist, period. treestar Mar 2014 #357

Yet working together somehow includes BainsBane Mar 2014 #322

I can assure you... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #334

When you began by calling someone shrill BainsBane Mar 2014 #338

Let me be clear here... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #348

In other words BainsBane Mar 2014 #208

YOU only see what you want to see. RC Mar 2014 #240

Here's the thing..... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #310

There is a Group well know for their passive aggression against anyone that does not agree with RC Mar 2014 #329

Here is a thread demonstrating support for that group BainsBane Mar 2014 #344

Any of your replies to me would do it. RC Mar 2014 #358

Poor, persecuted you BainsBane Mar 2014 #362

Your posts are the evidence on your expertise on call outs, insults, harassment, and talking crap. RC Mar 2014 #367

Indeed many people do read these exchanges BainsBane Mar 2014 #369

Real Feminists BainsBane Mar 2014 #370

Links. RC Mar 2014 #372

You're accusing me of playing victim? BainsBane Mar 2014 #373

Still no links. RC Mar 2014 #377

I did provide links BainsBane Mar 2014 #383

you "encourage uppity women" as long as YOU decide they have a "valid case". you know what....? seabeyond Mar 2014 #371

This bizarre rationalization does not change Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #347

Oh, I see BainsBane Mar 2014 #321

Your war on HOF members has yielded postive results. BainsBane Mar 2014 #327

I define feminist for myself BainsBane Mar 2014 #323

Before the video there were people assuming his guilt Union Scribe Mar 2014 #202

I saw one person say she always had a bad feeling about him BainsBane Mar 2014 #213

She should be arrested and jailed!!!! JJChambers Mar 2014 #312

Why? BainsBane Mar 2014 #313

Domestic battery obviously ; her violent attack is on video JJChambers Mar 2014 #314

I see BainsBane Mar 2014 #315

No, it isn't up to him JJChambers Mar 2014 #316

Okay, you find me comprable cases BainsBane Mar 2014 #317

Doctored video? Tinfoil hat, or just too much to drink? The video speaks for itself JJChambers Mar 2014 #339

It's on a repeat loop BainsBane Mar 2014 #342

Hmm. Well kcr Mar 2014 #343

Interesting, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #4

Okay, I see a woman physically abusing a man, NOT the contrary, closeupready Mar 2014 #5

Serves me right rocktivity Mar 2014 #6

Domestic Abuse is wrong, she should in Jail! Heather MC Mar 2014 #7

I don't see what you all see. bravenak Mar 2014 #8

You saw stuff that wasn't there, bravenak. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #10

I just watched the video 10 times. bravenak Mar 2014 #22

I think pretty much why he was there HappyMe Mar 2014 #38

He has no right to be there without her permission, since he is no longer an occupant. bravenak Mar 2014 #50

That's abjectly wrong jberryhill Mar 2014 #54

What is that, the 4th time you've pointed that out, and still no response? opiate69 Mar 2014 #59

Not if there's domestic violence going on. bravenak Mar 2014 #61

Omg! What? HappyMe Mar 2014 #69

Yes. bravenak Mar 2014 #77

All the lawyers reading this are screaming at their computers. You are so wrong! Shrike47 Mar 2014 #150

There is a restraining order. He can't come and go as he pleases. bravenak Mar 2014 #155

As of today - not as of last weekend jberryhill Mar 2014 #163

So are you. bravenak Mar 2014 #164

Maybe it was a retroactive restraining order.. zeemike Mar 2014 #245

From the Fourth Dimensional District Court jberryhill Mar 2014 #263

Glad I didn't do this sort of work, berryhill, elleng Mar 2014 #280

No jberryhill Mar 2014 #301

That restraining order was obtained after the event csziggy Mar 2014 #181

I know that. bravenak Mar 2014 #187

omg you have an active imagination. I see a gal taking what looks like a drunken swing elehhhhna Mar 2014 #307

What do you hear though? bravenak Mar 2014 #308

Oh, what ridiculousness you are trying to argue here. closeupready Mar 2014 #79

I don't care. bravenak Mar 2014 #82

Let me get this straight.... jberryhill Mar 2014 #90

My step dad is dead. bravenak Mar 2014 #101

OMG jberryhill Mar 2014 #119

No, neither of them has "more right to be there" jberryhill Mar 2014 #86

So? bravenak Mar 2014 #92

Then she needs to get an appropriate court order jberryhill Mar 2014 #97

I belive she will. bravenak Mar 2014 #105

Regardless of what may happen in the future jberryhill Mar 2014 #113

She filed for an injunction against him. bravenak Mar 2014 #115

Again, FILING for an injunction doesn't require him to stay away jberryhill Mar 2014 #123

I think it will be granted. bravenak Mar 2014 #129

So what? jberryhill Mar 2014 #131

Last Saturday he should have called instead of showing up uninvited and this wouldn't even be bravenak Mar 2014 #135

I have no idea what you mean by "should" jberryhill Mar 2014 #141

Why would I mean legal terms? bravenak Mar 2014 #145

No I do not live my life by legal terminology jberryhill Mar 2014 #146

She has a restraining order. bravenak Mar 2014 #158

NOW she does, yeah jberryhill Mar 2014 #161

He can't come and go as he pleases with the allegations of violence no matter who owns the house. bravenak Mar 2014 #167

Give it up. You lost this in your own circular logic. Just admit it. phleshdef Mar 2014 #239

All I was saying is he lived else where. bravenak Mar 2014 #243

You either know more to this story than I do or you are making a LOT of assumptions. phleshdef Mar 2014 #247

He was not living there. bravenak Mar 2014 #255

You can stop repeating yourself on the restraining order. phleshdef Mar 2014 #262

I only know that he said he was not living there. bravenak Mar 2014 #268

If one party is filing for such an injunction kcr Mar 2014 #178

Here we go with more abjectification. Orrex Mar 2014 #76

I abject to that allegation jberryhill Mar 2014 #221

I assume you are liti gator. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #252

She may have a PFA treestar Mar 2014 #214

She had neither jberryhill Mar 2014 #220

If she wants the house, she is going to have HappyMe Mar 2014 #64

He can't go there if she feels threatened. bravenak Mar 2014 #68

She was the one hitting him. HappyMe Mar 2014 #73

We only got part of the video. bravenak Mar 2014 #78

Ah, yes, the old "we didn't see the whole video" gambit... regnaD kciN Mar 2014 #353

I was present for the Rodney King riots. bravenak Mar 2014 #355

Absent a court order, he can go there no matter how she feels. Shrike47 Mar 2014 #171

He should have called and asked to come over and talk to her in person. bravenak Mar 2014 #173

Maybe he shouldn't have even bothered being born, as to not inconvenience anyone. phleshdef Mar 2014 #288

I don't think being born was up to him. bravenak Mar 2014 #290

Well he could have at least had the common decency to off himself as soon as he was old enough to... phleshdef Mar 2014 #292

You should not advocate for someone else's suicide. bravenak Mar 2014 #294

Its not a joke and its not advocacy. Its mockery. phleshdef Mar 2014 #304

I'm not comfortable with mockery about suicide. bravenak Mar 2014 #306

Wow... that's pretty sick, even if you're attempting ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #295

Whatever. phleshdef Mar 2014 #303

Yep... suicide=whatever... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #309

I'm not taking time to learn shit. phleshdef Mar 2014 #319

That is often said treestar Mar 2014 #223

Why was he there? LisaL Mar 2014 #43

I didn't see him in the doorway. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #49

I understand how you feel. bravenak Mar 2014 #182

It's a temporary restraining order. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #232

The video makes both of them look stupid. bravenak Mar 2014 #233

Yes. And put the kids in cold storage while they sort it all out. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #235

I think the kids should get to have some choice of which parent they go with. bravenak Mar 2014 #237

Interesting that they call joint custody "time-sharing" in Florida. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #254

Or like toys. bravenak Mar 2014 #256

What we didn't see is HIM hitting HER. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #134

I indicated that. bravenak Mar 2014 #139

So 'not seeing' is doing now. Wow! Dawgs Mar 2014 #184

Not to me, I have to actually see things before I believe them. But apparently yes, to some sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #206

Why answer the door? Why not call the cops and stay safely inside? liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #13

She was not at the door. bravenak Mar 2014 #21

They both obviously need to learn boundaries. If she is hitting him she is not innocent in this. liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #24

Of course they BOTH need to learn boundaries. bravenak Mar 2014 #26

Actually, if she's hitting him, then she's GUILTY in this. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #269

Perhaps you can enlighten me jberryhill Mar 2014 #31

Doesn't matter who own it. bravenak Mar 2014 #36

You and your landlord have a legally binding agreement on access to the property. Do the Graysons? opiate69 Mar 2014 #45

He moved out. bravenak Mar 2014 #70

From jberryhill's post downthread, citing an actual divorce atty. opiate69 Mar 2014 #81

Never said he lost ownership rights. bravenak Mar 2014 #83

Sweet Jeebus. opiate69 Mar 2014 #93

I bet he won't be allowed to live at home with her. bravenak Mar 2014 #104

That IS a right of ownership jberryhill Mar 2014 #94

I bet he won't be able to come and go as he pleases. bravenak Mar 2014 #107

so you now recognize he may in the future not be able to enter Trajan Mar 2014 #244

He can't enter the property now. bravenak Mar 2014 #246

No, that is absolutely incorrect jberryhill Mar 2014 #47

You just made up that whole narrative now. HappyMe Mar 2014 #14

I made up the part about what I think she was yelling about. I said that. bravenak Mar 2014 #16

Again, you are making assumptions OldHippieChick Mar 2014 #15

He may have, or he may not. bravenak Mar 2014 #18

She filed in January jberryhill Mar 2014 #29

What makes it her house? jberryhill Mar 2014 #32

Articles I've seen refer to it as "their" house. LisaL Mar 2014 #33

The fact that she living there and he's not. bravenak Mar 2014 #44

No, that is not what makes it "her" house jberryhill Mar 2014 #51

Except a messy divorce. bravenak Mar 2014 #58

Sorry but you are very incorrect. Jazzgirl Mar 2014 #110

That's not the case I'm making. bravenak Mar 2014 #126

In his case, it appears he does own the house, jointy with his wife. LisaL Mar 2014 #52

Who's living in the house has squat to do HappyMe Mar 2014 #55

Here, this article by a FL divorce lawyer may straighten you out jberryhill Mar 2014 #60

Nobody said she changed the locks. bravenak Mar 2014 #65

Having a really hard time understanding this, are you? jberryhill Mar 2014 #87

You seem to be having a hard time distinguishing kcr Mar 2014 #103

Unless she had some sort of order from the court (which doesn't look like she did), LisaL Mar 2014 #106

It doesn't look like she did? kcr Mar 2014 #112

Because I haven't seen anything reported saying saying that she did. LisaL Mar 2014 #118

Because that would be THE story here jberryhill Mar 2014 #124

Absent a court order he does have the right to come and go as he pleases jberryhill Mar 2014 #109

And you know she does't have one how? kcr Mar 2014 #116

If he violated an order from the court he would have been arrested. Don't you freaking think that? LisaL Mar 2014 #120

THere's no mention of police involvment or a police report kcr Mar 2014 #125

Let's put in perspective how ridiculous your assertion is jberryhill Mar 2014 #136

No, that's not my theory kcr Mar 2014 #143

Then try to rationalize what his lawyers are doing. jberryhill Mar 2014 #151

Defending their client. That's what he pays them for. kcr Mar 2014 #154

ROFL jberryhill Mar 2014 #159

ROFLOMGZ!11 kcr Mar 2014 #168

Yes, I can jump to that conclusion jberryhill Mar 2014 #186

Why wouldn't the issue the same order again? kcr Mar 2014 #195

Yes, there is. Articles say she called 911. LisaL Mar 2014 #137

Because he'd be in jail right now, and not offering a video of him there jberryhill Mar 2014 #121

No, not "kind of obvious" kcr Mar 2014 #142

There IS no restraining order jberryhill Mar 2014 #144

That's what I said. I wasn't talking about a restraining order. kcr Mar 2014 #148

There is a restraining order. bravenak Mar 2014 #160

There was no such order in place at the time of the video jberryhill Mar 2014 #165

And my main point was that to prevent this he should have called and gotten her permission bravenak Mar 2014 #169

Why? Rep. Grayson had every legal right to be in his own home. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #259

Him asserting his legal right was not smart. bravenak Mar 2014 #260

You sound just like the cops who told me the exact same thing, right in my front yard. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #264

Hmmm. bravenak Mar 2014 #271

The cops arrest her? Are you serious? They assumed I was the bad guy, with zero evidence. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #282

I don't see anyone assuming he's the bad guy. bravenak Mar 2014 #284

His wife assaulting him was HIS fault. Gotcha. You've said that over and over. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #286

You are making yourself sick. bravenak Mar 2014 #289

Keep defending the abuser. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #298

Aren't you sick? bravenak Mar 2014 #299

There is a restraining order. bravenak Mar 2014 #153

After she claimed her attacked her. LisaL Mar 2014 #188

I didn't say she had already had it. bravenak Mar 2014 #189

Maybe he should ask for one. LisaL Mar 2014 #198

He should. bravenak Mar 2014 #200

I see the same thing you do Andy823 Mar 2014 #40

I would like to know that as well. bravenak Mar 2014 #41

Perhaps Grayson's lawyer didn't present the full video of the event for whatever reason. lumpy Mar 2014 #222

Every piece of you logic is wrong. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #196

It has been known that they are having a bad divorce not an amicable split. bravenak Mar 2014 #199

You dont know that she didnt invite him over to fix the toilet. You dont know enough rhett o rick Mar 2014 #211

I think he isn't respecting her boundaries because I can see her in the video yelling at him bravenak Mar 2014 #225

thank you, bravenak.. you are making Cha Mar 2014 #324

It would help to hear what's going on. bravenak Mar 2014 #326

Right.. they accuse you of "knee jerk" while Cha Mar 2014 #340

I find it very strange. bravenak Mar 2014 #345

I'm glad they were unsuccessful. Talk about Cha Mar 2014 #351

I'm wondering if anyone here read the part... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #203

I saw that the daughter said her mother was the aggressor. Haven't seen anyone mention that. lumpy Mar 2014 #217

In an earlier report 2naSalit Mar 2014 #212

It is sad. bravenak Mar 2014 #224

And perhaps 2naSalit Mar 2014 #229

I am not trying to convict anyone. bravenak Mar 2014 #230

Of course you don't nt Logical Mar 2014 #248

Holy smokes! HappyMe Mar 2014 #9

Wow. If someone pushed me in my face like that, Id have lost it. bunnies Mar 2014 #11

Wow. warrior1 Mar 2014 #17

a few notes of caution: geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19

A couple of things... bunnies Mar 2014 #35

well, generally abusers don't have adult witnesses around geek tragedy Mar 2014 #39

At least ones that would give a shit. bunnies Mar 2014 #42

He did have a very defensive stance. LisaL Mar 2014 #48

you forgot 3) It does NOT prove what she claims! Logical Mar 2014 #249

this video certainly isn't helpful for her case, didn't feel compelled to point out the obvious nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #251

And also because it's tragically inconvenient to the prevailing dogma. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #272

cool story, bro nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #275

Well how convenient that there was a camera there Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #20

yes it was, you sound like youre sorry there is proof of his innocence leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #25

Wow. I can't believe you just posted that here. closeupready Mar 2014 #56

I'm sure there are those who would love to see left leaning progressives fall, so they wouldn't have liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #72

Yeah, Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #170

One wonders if it was a "Roving" cameraman Blue Owl Mar 2014 #172

LOL, meaning what? nt Logical Mar 2014 #250

Why yes, yes it was. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #273

I suspect that video was filmed by one of those newfangled cell phones that take pictures. pacalo Mar 2014 #359

At least this should put him in the clear. pa28 Mar 2014 #23

Smart man to take a staff member with him. Blue Diadem Mar 2014 #27

I said this before the video, I will say it now. We should wait for the investigation. stevenleser Mar 2014 #30

+1. My best friend went through a rather prolonged divorce, which meant I made more than a few winter is coming Mar 2014 #37

Oh, I have been through divorce twice. It's like a trip through the twilight zone. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #276

This is just the DU pretrial stage of the investigation. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #166

lol treestar Mar 2014 #227

That's what gets me. The certainty of it. I'm happy to give my impression and guess but stevenleser Mar 2014 #278

Wow, someone else with this theory kcr Mar 2014 #297

Depends on two things. #1 - Whether the victim would be in real danger #2 - If the victim feared stevenleser Mar 2014 #320

So, you hear about victims doing this all the time just like police officers then? n/t kcr Mar 2014 #325

I am sure you think this reductio ad absurdum response is good debate. It's not. stevenleser Mar 2014 #360

You're right. I haven't. You know why? kcr Mar 2014 #363

I am not jumping to conclusions either and that is why I have said many times, I am not sure. stevenleser Mar 2014 #364

this isn't proof of his innocence as far as I'm concerned cali Mar 2014 #34

Her own daughter contradicted her mother's story. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #253

Her daughter was arrested for assaulting her mother, just to let you know. bravenak Mar 2014 #258

Lolita Grayson seems to be the erratic person alleged by Rep. Grayson. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #261

We don't anything about whether she needs psychiatric care or not. bravenak Mar 2014 #287

Oh yeah, of course the cops arrest the daughter. Who do you think they believe first? Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #291

The link you provided has more key information. pacalo Mar 2014 #283

I posted it because there are more allegations made by them against her. bravenak Mar 2014 #285

I agree about the audio. pacalo Mar 2014 #293

The audio might make him look even better. bravenak Mar 2014 #296

Is that how this works? He needs to prove his innocence? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #270

She has bruises on her arm and shoulders Not 840high Mar 2014 #318

Lying about abuse, eh? Oh, but that never happens! Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #46

Men are treated as disposable tools in our society Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #53

+ A Million, but you will get NOWHERE on this board with a discussion closeupready Mar 2014 #63

there are those of us who stand up for men too. We're just not as loud as the ones who claim all men liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #67

Glad that I was wrong, then, friend. closeupready Mar 2014 #75

I have a wonderful, loving husband and a son who is kind and caring. liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #91

I disagree that there are DUers who claim all men are evil. cyberswede Mar 2014 #96

funny that there are no DUers who "claim all men are evil" so no the Mens' Rights' geek tragedy Mar 2014 #147

I don't understand what you mean by "disposable tools" cyberswede Mar 2014 #66

One example of this is war Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #84

Using poeple for cannon fodder is wrong. cyberswede Mar 2014 #95

The reason being that men are still taught to stick to traditional gender roles Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #366

War is an instance where male machismo becomes fatal. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #241

lol Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #85

I'm sorry, but that's a grotesque generalization in light of the number of women cali Mar 2014 #108

I don't think the objectification of women sibelian Mar 2014 #180

As far as I can tell they didn't say anything about women. Dawgs Mar 2014 #191

that's the downside of gender essentialism promoted by cultural conservatives alp227 Mar 2014 #114

That's what you get from this? treestar Mar 2014 #228

This is literally the exact opposite of how society works. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #238

Its good to see he wasn't the one doing the hitting and yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #57

I live in his district, and so far it's a non issue. Not Me Mar 2014 #62

So much pointing of fingers in the other thread at jumping to conclusions kcr Mar 2014 #71

why no sound? Whisp Mar 2014 #74

No, it's not weird. The video has sound. It was edited over concerns that it might not be legal LisaL Mar 2014 #88

Yep, Andy823 Mar 2014 #89

It's edited out. For crying out loud. LisaL Mar 2014 #98

If the sound was edited out then something else may have been too. Whisp Mar 2014 #117

Do you not understand that it might not be legal to release what she was saying unless LisaL Mar 2014 #122

That's fine, but it's still missing information n/t kcr Mar 2014 #130

His lawyers have it. LisaL Mar 2014 #133

Okay kcr Mar 2014 #156

It is clear to me that this video doesn't prove anything and Could have been altered in other ways Whisp Mar 2014 #157

What legal concerns? Andy823 Mar 2014 #152

the edited out sound as a legality is not mentioned in the story.. Whisp Mar 2014 #176

You are allowed to google it, you know. LisaL Mar 2014 #185

There have been instances where cops have arrested people on wire tap charges for 1monster Mar 2014 #397

In Oregon, it's illegal to covertly record audio but you can openly video legally. Shrike47 Mar 2014 #183

Thank you. I should have known that but some things fall through the cracks. Whisp Mar 2014 #190

Pretty smart on his part. His wife would be wise to consider doing the same. temporary311 Mar 2014 #99

+1 B Calm Mar 2014 #149

NeJame was one of CNN's commentators in the Trayvon Martin trial. amandabeech Mar 2014 #111

So, this DID go down the way I hoped it did in my response to last night's thread! Systematic Chaos Mar 2014 #177

Divorce is a blessing! She apparently had an injunction against him for violence Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #193

Maybe you should actually read the whole thread. LisaL Mar 2014 #197

I did. There's obviously something wrong with this marriage. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #209

She got an order based on her assertions of violence (no proof beyond her allegation needed.) Shrike47 Mar 2014 #257

Either way, it makes me realize how important divorce is. It might sadden some, but Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #267

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #201

I would expect a 'battered' wife to avoid having any confrontations with her 'abuser'. pacalo Mar 2014 #205

He showed up, apparently. Some marriages need to end. Most marriages in fact do end. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #218

She needs to remember those are his kids, too. They are going to want to see him & vice versa. pacalo Mar 2014 #226

He was allowed to show up. There was no restraining order. phleshdef Mar 2014 #242

Even though she is the aggressor, this video will hurt him Warpy Mar 2014 #207

Is it too much to hope that people learned not to jump to conclusions? LittleBlue Mar 2014 #219

If folks didn't learn that temporary311 Mar 2014 #274

Alan, if you see this..... We've all been through it at one time or another... Pinkflamingo Mar 2014 #265

agreed grasswire Mar 2014 #277

Alan, if you see this, why do you pander to corporations such as Sea World??? ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #279

you may have been... stillcool Mar 2014 #281

Grayson has a lot of great zingers, but there's something fried eggs Mar 2014 #311

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