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330. Believe me, I include you in nothing

Reply to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #328)

Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:11 AM

Mar 2014

That you think allowing a police investigation to proceed is making women weak and helpless tells me we don't occupy the same universe. Asserting equal rights is not helplessness; it is agency. That you responded to my post in response to a man speaking of his abuse to claim that my decision not to disbelieve either him or Grayson's wife is somehow making women "helpless" is bizarre, to say the least. I could speculate as to what kind of twisted logic leads to that kind of statement, but it's not worth the energy. Ultimately, it is your problem.

What I do not do is assume a woman is a liar simply for being female and a man superior simply for being male. You can safely assume that nothing I say has anything whatsoever to do with you. Consider that a lasting response to anything you have to say. I've seen enough of what you post to know that we do not nor will ever share anything in common.

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Alan Grayson's Divorce issue. It just got sadder. There's video [View all] Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 OP

Well at least it was of her hitting him Politicalboi Mar 2014 #1

I think there's no question about that now. Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #3

Not defending either one, mimi85 Mar 2014 #346

maybe cvoogt Mar 2014 #356

That is not going to set well with the RC Mar 2014 #2

I suspect that those who have a gut instinct about him will still find fault. Orrex Mar 2014 #12

Check below, already a new meme now LOL snooper2 Mar 2014 #28

Yeah, who needs proof of anything around here anymore. RC Mar 2014 #80

Proof, schmoof. closeupready Mar 2014 #175

Proof. That's like science smience. nt valerief Mar 2014 #204

might have something to do with that 18 million he lost? Whisp Mar 2014 #300

I know. Imagine thinking that a man shouldn't be immune BainsBane Mar 2014 #102

I know, imagine thinking that the wife is as capable of abuse as the husband snooper2 Mar 2014 #128

What facts would those be? BainsBane Mar 2014 #140

"women commit as much" I didn't say as much now did I? snooper2 Mar 2014 #174

I'll quote what you said BainsBane Mar 2014 #210

actually men get abused by women but they are too embarrasses usually to report it. and of course roguevalley Mar 2014 #302

Women seldom report domestic violence either BainsBane Mar 2014 #333

since we weren't there none of us know. it will be sorted out. roguevalley Mar 2014 #354

That video is on a loop BainsBane Mar 2014 #234

It shows she hit him, right? Or are you arguing that it doesn't show why he deserved it? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #266

There are women who take advantage of the fact that their men won't hit back elehhhhna Mar 2014 #305

It shows two seconds BainsBane Mar 2014 #332

That study again. kcr Mar 2014 #335

Makes you wonder BainsBane Mar 2014 #349

Probably. He's posted it before, multiple times. kcr Mar 2014 #352

And will continue to... lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #380

Just like arguing with climate deniers and anti vaxxers kcr Mar 2014 #381

Of course I did. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #375

Jeff, please tell us how that paper BainsBane Mar 2014 #350

It is consistent with all modern studies of the issue. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #379

How do you suppose it is that the incidence of severe battery BainsBane Mar 2014 #385

It is absolutely relevant. In fact it's a central issue. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #390

I would appreciate it BainsBane Mar 2014 #392

I'm suggesting that you should take more seriously the issue of injurious violence against *women* lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #394

I understand that BainsBane Mar 2014 #395

Then help me understand. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #396

The video doesn't enable us to see whether he struck her prior to the seconds shown BainsBane Mar 2014 #398

imagine thinking that a human shouldn't be immune to battery charges villager Mar 2014 #162

You're sure I'd dismiss them? Why is that? BainsBane Mar 2014 #216

Both men and women are capable of battery. Not every man is ipso facto guilty. villager Mar 2014 #231

I have no reason to disbelieve you BainsBane Mar 2014 #236

I do not like the fact that you are bound and determined Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2014 #328

Believe me, I include you in nothing BainsBane Mar 2014 #330

I'm a different kind of woman than you are. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2014 #336

No, quite the opposite BainsBane Mar 2014 #341

Lolita Grayson was the aggressor...Alan is legal eagle HipChick Mar 2014 #138

Who has decleared him guilty? BainsBane Mar 2014 #100

Links to what? I posted my opinion. Maybe you should read the rest of the thread first - RC Mar 2014 #127

Links to your assertion that "the usual suspects" have declared him guility BainsBane Mar 2014 #132

Support your assertion with some links of your own. RC Mar 2014 #179

Thank you.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #192

You are Welcome. RC Mar 2014 #194

"Shrill" is an unwise term to use treestar Mar 2014 #215

Once again.. CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #331

I don't know what I'd call five paragraphs in one post kcr Mar 2014 #337

First... I am not attempting to distance myself from anyone. CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #361

Only when that poster accuses others of being shrill kcr Mar 2014 #365

My goodness... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #368

So, agreeing with someone is being a lemming? kcr Mar 2014 #374

LOL.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #376

Yes. I said you disdain them kcr Mar 2014 #382

Thank you.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #384

But I never said I didn't say it though kcr Mar 2014 #386

One more time... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #387

Okay. So, where am I saying you said you disdain them? kcr Mar 2014 #388

Enough.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #389

Yes. I think you disdain them kcr Mar 2014 #391

I said I wasn't going to answer these inane comments again.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #393

Use "shrill" and you sound like an anti-feminist, period. treestar Mar 2014 #357

Yet working together somehow includes BainsBane Mar 2014 #322

I can assure you... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #334

When you began by calling someone shrill BainsBane Mar 2014 #338

Let me be clear here... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #348

In other words BainsBane Mar 2014 #208

YOU only see what you want to see. RC Mar 2014 #240

Here's the thing..... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #310

There is a Group well know for their passive aggression against anyone that does not agree with RC Mar 2014 #329

Here is a thread demonstrating support for that group BainsBane Mar 2014 #344

Any of your replies to me would do it. RC Mar 2014 #358

Poor, persecuted you BainsBane Mar 2014 #362

Your posts are the evidence on your expertise on call outs, insults, harassment, and talking crap. RC Mar 2014 #367

Indeed many people do read these exchanges BainsBane Mar 2014 #369

Real Feminists BainsBane Mar 2014 #370

Links. RC Mar 2014 #372

You're accusing me of playing victim? BainsBane Mar 2014 #373

Still no links. RC Mar 2014 #377

I did provide links BainsBane Mar 2014 #383

you "encourage uppity women" as long as YOU decide they have a "valid case". you know what....? seabeyond Mar 2014 #371

This bizarre rationalization does not change Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #347

Oh, I see BainsBane Mar 2014 #321

Your war on HOF members has yielded postive results. BainsBane Mar 2014 #327

I define feminist for myself BainsBane Mar 2014 #323

Before the video there were people assuming his guilt Union Scribe Mar 2014 #202

I saw one person say she always had a bad feeling about him BainsBane Mar 2014 #213

She should be arrested and jailed!!!! JJChambers Mar 2014 #312

Why? BainsBane Mar 2014 #313

Domestic battery obviously ; her violent attack is on video JJChambers Mar 2014 #314

I see BainsBane Mar 2014 #315

No, it isn't up to him JJChambers Mar 2014 #316

Okay, you find me comprable cases BainsBane Mar 2014 #317

Doctored video? Tinfoil hat, or just too much to drink? The video speaks for itself JJChambers Mar 2014 #339

It's on a repeat loop BainsBane Mar 2014 #342

Hmm. Well kcr Mar 2014 #343

Interesting, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #4

Okay, I see a woman physically abusing a man, NOT the contrary, closeupready Mar 2014 #5

Serves me right rocktivity Mar 2014 #6

Domestic Abuse is wrong, she should in Jail! Heather MC Mar 2014 #7

I don't see what you all see. bravenak Mar 2014 #8

You saw stuff that wasn't there, bravenak. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #10

I just watched the video 10 times. bravenak Mar 2014 #22

I think pretty much why he was there HappyMe Mar 2014 #38

He has no right to be there without her permission, since he is no longer an occupant. bravenak Mar 2014 #50

That's abjectly wrong jberryhill Mar 2014 #54

What is that, the 4th time you've pointed that out, and still no response? opiate69 Mar 2014 #59

Not if there's domestic violence going on. bravenak Mar 2014 #61

Omg! What? HappyMe Mar 2014 #69

Yes. bravenak Mar 2014 #77

All the lawyers reading this are screaming at their computers. You are so wrong! Shrike47 Mar 2014 #150

There is a restraining order. He can't come and go as he pleases. bravenak Mar 2014 #155

As of today - not as of last weekend jberryhill Mar 2014 #163

So are you. bravenak Mar 2014 #164

Maybe it was a retroactive restraining order.. zeemike Mar 2014 #245

From the Fourth Dimensional District Court jberryhill Mar 2014 #263

Glad I didn't do this sort of work, berryhill, elleng Mar 2014 #280

No jberryhill Mar 2014 #301

That restraining order was obtained after the event csziggy Mar 2014 #181

I know that. bravenak Mar 2014 #187

omg you have an active imagination. I see a gal taking what looks like a drunken swing elehhhhna Mar 2014 #307

What do you hear though? bravenak Mar 2014 #308

Oh, what ridiculousness you are trying to argue here. closeupready Mar 2014 #79

I don't care. bravenak Mar 2014 #82

Let me get this straight.... jberryhill Mar 2014 #90

My step dad is dead. bravenak Mar 2014 #101

OMG jberryhill Mar 2014 #119

No, neither of them has "more right to be there" jberryhill Mar 2014 #86

So? bravenak Mar 2014 #92

Then she needs to get an appropriate court order jberryhill Mar 2014 #97

I belive she will. bravenak Mar 2014 #105

Regardless of what may happen in the future jberryhill Mar 2014 #113

She filed for an injunction against him. bravenak Mar 2014 #115

Again, FILING for an injunction doesn't require him to stay away jberryhill Mar 2014 #123

I think it will be granted. bravenak Mar 2014 #129

So what? jberryhill Mar 2014 #131

Last Saturday he should have called instead of showing up uninvited and this wouldn't even be bravenak Mar 2014 #135

I have no idea what you mean by "should" jberryhill Mar 2014 #141

Why would I mean legal terms? bravenak Mar 2014 #145

No I do not live my life by legal terminology jberryhill Mar 2014 #146

She has a restraining order. bravenak Mar 2014 #158

NOW she does, yeah jberryhill Mar 2014 #161

He can't come and go as he pleases with the allegations of violence no matter who owns the house. bravenak Mar 2014 #167

Give it up. You lost this in your own circular logic. Just admit it. phleshdef Mar 2014 #239

All I was saying is he lived else where. bravenak Mar 2014 #243

You either know more to this story than I do or you are making a LOT of assumptions. phleshdef Mar 2014 #247

He was not living there. bravenak Mar 2014 #255

You can stop repeating yourself on the restraining order. phleshdef Mar 2014 #262

I only know that he said he was not living there. bravenak Mar 2014 #268

If one party is filing for such an injunction kcr Mar 2014 #178

Here we go with more abjectification. Orrex Mar 2014 #76

I abject to that allegation jberryhill Mar 2014 #221

I assume you are liti gator. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #252

She may have a PFA treestar Mar 2014 #214

She had neither jberryhill Mar 2014 #220

If she wants the house, she is going to have HappyMe Mar 2014 #64

He can't go there if she feels threatened. bravenak Mar 2014 #68

She was the one hitting him. HappyMe Mar 2014 #73

We only got part of the video. bravenak Mar 2014 #78

Ah, yes, the old "we didn't see the whole video" gambit... regnaD kciN Mar 2014 #353

I was present for the Rodney King riots. bravenak Mar 2014 #355

Absent a court order, he can go there no matter how she feels. Shrike47 Mar 2014 #171

He should have called and asked to come over and talk to her in person. bravenak Mar 2014 #173

Maybe he shouldn't have even bothered being born, as to not inconvenience anyone. phleshdef Mar 2014 #288

I don't think being born was up to him. bravenak Mar 2014 #290

Well he could have at least had the common decency to off himself as soon as he was old enough to... phleshdef Mar 2014 #292

You should not advocate for someone else's suicide. bravenak Mar 2014 #294

Its not a joke and its not advocacy. Its mockery. phleshdef Mar 2014 #304

I'm not comfortable with mockery about suicide. bravenak Mar 2014 #306

Wow... that's pretty sick, even if you're attempting ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #295

Whatever. phleshdef Mar 2014 #303

Yep... suicide=whatever... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #309

I'm not taking time to learn shit. phleshdef Mar 2014 #319

That is often said treestar Mar 2014 #223

Why was he there? LisaL Mar 2014 #43

I didn't see him in the doorway. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #49

I understand how you feel. bravenak Mar 2014 #182

It's a temporary restraining order. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #232

The video makes both of them look stupid. bravenak Mar 2014 #233

Yes. And put the kids in cold storage while they sort it all out. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #235

I think the kids should get to have some choice of which parent they go with. bravenak Mar 2014 #237

Interesting that they call joint custody "time-sharing" in Florida. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #254

Or like toys. bravenak Mar 2014 #256

What we didn't see is HIM hitting HER. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #134

I indicated that. bravenak Mar 2014 #139

So 'not seeing' is doing now. Wow! Dawgs Mar 2014 #184

Not to me, I have to actually see things before I believe them. But apparently yes, to some sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #206

Why answer the door? Why not call the cops and stay safely inside? liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #13

She was not at the door. bravenak Mar 2014 #21

They both obviously need to learn boundaries. If she is hitting him she is not innocent in this. liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #24

Of course they BOTH need to learn boundaries. bravenak Mar 2014 #26

Actually, if she's hitting him, then she's GUILTY in this. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #269

Perhaps you can enlighten me jberryhill Mar 2014 #31

Doesn't matter who own it. bravenak Mar 2014 #36

You and your landlord have a legally binding agreement on access to the property. Do the Graysons? opiate69 Mar 2014 #45

He moved out. bravenak Mar 2014 #70

From jberryhill's post downthread, citing an actual divorce atty. opiate69 Mar 2014 #81

Never said he lost ownership rights. bravenak Mar 2014 #83

Sweet Jeebus. opiate69 Mar 2014 #93

I bet he won't be allowed to live at home with her. bravenak Mar 2014 #104

That IS a right of ownership jberryhill Mar 2014 #94

I bet he won't be able to come and go as he pleases. bravenak Mar 2014 #107

so you now recognize he may in the future not be able to enter Trajan Mar 2014 #244

He can't enter the property now. bravenak Mar 2014 #246

No, that is absolutely incorrect jberryhill Mar 2014 #47

You just made up that whole narrative now. HappyMe Mar 2014 #14

I made up the part about what I think she was yelling about. I said that. bravenak Mar 2014 #16

Again, you are making assumptions OldHippieChick Mar 2014 #15

He may have, or he may not. bravenak Mar 2014 #18

She filed in January jberryhill Mar 2014 #29

What makes it her house? jberryhill Mar 2014 #32

Articles I've seen refer to it as "their" house. LisaL Mar 2014 #33

The fact that she living there and he's not. bravenak Mar 2014 #44

No, that is not what makes it "her" house jberryhill Mar 2014 #51

Except a messy divorce. bravenak Mar 2014 #58

Sorry but you are very incorrect. Jazzgirl Mar 2014 #110

That's not the case I'm making. bravenak Mar 2014 #126

In his case, it appears he does own the house, jointy with his wife. LisaL Mar 2014 #52

Who's living in the house has squat to do HappyMe Mar 2014 #55

Here, this article by a FL divorce lawyer may straighten you out jberryhill Mar 2014 #60

Nobody said she changed the locks. bravenak Mar 2014 #65

Having a really hard time understanding this, are you? jberryhill Mar 2014 #87

You seem to be having a hard time distinguishing kcr Mar 2014 #103

Unless she had some sort of order from the court (which doesn't look like she did), LisaL Mar 2014 #106

It doesn't look like she did? kcr Mar 2014 #112

Because I haven't seen anything reported saying saying that she did. LisaL Mar 2014 #118

Because that would be THE story here jberryhill Mar 2014 #124

Absent a court order he does have the right to come and go as he pleases jberryhill Mar 2014 #109

And you know she does't have one how? kcr Mar 2014 #116

If he violated an order from the court he would have been arrested. Don't you freaking think that? LisaL Mar 2014 #120

THere's no mention of police involvment or a police report kcr Mar 2014 #125

Let's put in perspective how ridiculous your assertion is jberryhill Mar 2014 #136

No, that's not my theory kcr Mar 2014 #143

Then try to rationalize what his lawyers are doing. jberryhill Mar 2014 #151

Defending their client. That's what he pays them for. kcr Mar 2014 #154

ROFL jberryhill Mar 2014 #159

ROFLOMGZ!11 kcr Mar 2014 #168

Yes, I can jump to that conclusion jberryhill Mar 2014 #186

Why wouldn't the issue the same order again? kcr Mar 2014 #195

Yes, there is. Articles say she called 911. LisaL Mar 2014 #137

Because he'd be in jail right now, and not offering a video of him there jberryhill Mar 2014 #121

No, not "kind of obvious" kcr Mar 2014 #142

There IS no restraining order jberryhill Mar 2014 #144

That's what I said. I wasn't talking about a restraining order. kcr Mar 2014 #148

There is a restraining order. bravenak Mar 2014 #160

There was no such order in place at the time of the video jberryhill Mar 2014 #165

And my main point was that to prevent this he should have called and gotten her permission bravenak Mar 2014 #169

Why? Rep. Grayson had every legal right to be in his own home. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #259

Him asserting his legal right was not smart. bravenak Mar 2014 #260

You sound just like the cops who told me the exact same thing, right in my front yard. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #264

Hmmm. bravenak Mar 2014 #271

The cops arrest her? Are you serious? They assumed I was the bad guy, with zero evidence. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #282

I don't see anyone assuming he's the bad guy. bravenak Mar 2014 #284

His wife assaulting him was HIS fault. Gotcha. You've said that over and over. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #286

You are making yourself sick. bravenak Mar 2014 #289

Keep defending the abuser. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #298

Aren't you sick? bravenak Mar 2014 #299

There is a restraining order. bravenak Mar 2014 #153

After she claimed her attacked her. LisaL Mar 2014 #188

I didn't say she had already had it. bravenak Mar 2014 #189

Maybe he should ask for one. LisaL Mar 2014 #198

He should. bravenak Mar 2014 #200

I see the same thing you do Andy823 Mar 2014 #40

I would like to know that as well. bravenak Mar 2014 #41

Perhaps Grayson's lawyer didn't present the full video of the event for whatever reason. lumpy Mar 2014 #222

Every piece of you logic is wrong. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #196

It has been known that they are having a bad divorce not an amicable split. bravenak Mar 2014 #199

You dont know that she didnt invite him over to fix the toilet. You dont know enough rhett o rick Mar 2014 #211

I think he isn't respecting her boundaries because I can see her in the video yelling at him bravenak Mar 2014 #225

thank you, bravenak.. you are making Cha Mar 2014 #324

It would help to hear what's going on. bravenak Mar 2014 #326

Right.. they accuse you of "knee jerk" while Cha Mar 2014 #340

I find it very strange. bravenak Mar 2014 #345

I'm glad they were unsuccessful. Talk about Cha Mar 2014 #351

I'm wondering if anyone here read the part... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #203

I saw that the daughter said her mother was the aggressor. Haven't seen anyone mention that. lumpy Mar 2014 #217

In an earlier report 2naSalit Mar 2014 #212

It is sad. bravenak Mar 2014 #224

And perhaps 2naSalit Mar 2014 #229

I am not trying to convict anyone. bravenak Mar 2014 #230

Of course you don't nt Logical Mar 2014 #248

Holy smokes! HappyMe Mar 2014 #9

Wow. If someone pushed me in my face like that, Id have lost it. bunnies Mar 2014 #11

Wow. warrior1 Mar 2014 #17

a few notes of caution: geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19

A couple of things... bunnies Mar 2014 #35

well, generally abusers don't have adult witnesses around geek tragedy Mar 2014 #39

At least ones that would give a shit. bunnies Mar 2014 #42

He did have a very defensive stance. LisaL Mar 2014 #48

you forgot 3) It does NOT prove what she claims! Logical Mar 2014 #249

this video certainly isn't helpful for her case, didn't feel compelled to point out the obvious nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #251

And also because it's tragically inconvenient to the prevailing dogma. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #272

cool story, bro nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #275

Well how convenient that there was a camera there Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #20

yes it was, you sound like youre sorry there is proof of his innocence leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #25

Wow. I can't believe you just posted that here. closeupready Mar 2014 #56

I'm sure there are those who would love to see left leaning progressives fall, so they wouldn't have liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #72

Yeah, Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #170

One wonders if it was a "Roving" cameraman Blue Owl Mar 2014 #172

LOL, meaning what? nt Logical Mar 2014 #250

Why yes, yes it was. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #273

I suspect that video was filmed by one of those newfangled cell phones that take pictures. pacalo Mar 2014 #359

At least this should put him in the clear. pa28 Mar 2014 #23

Smart man to take a staff member with him. Blue Diadem Mar 2014 #27

I said this before the video, I will say it now. We should wait for the investigation. stevenleser Mar 2014 #30

+1. My best friend went through a rather prolonged divorce, which meant I made more than a few winter is coming Mar 2014 #37

Oh, I have been through divorce twice. It's like a trip through the twilight zone. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #276

This is just the DU pretrial stage of the investigation. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #166

lol treestar Mar 2014 #227

That's what gets me. The certainty of it. I'm happy to give my impression and guess but stevenleser Mar 2014 #278

Wow, someone else with this theory kcr Mar 2014 #297

Depends on two things. #1 - Whether the victim would be in real danger #2 - If the victim feared stevenleser Mar 2014 #320

So, you hear about victims doing this all the time just like police officers then? n/t kcr Mar 2014 #325

I am sure you think this reductio ad absurdum response is good debate. It's not. stevenleser Mar 2014 #360

You're right. I haven't. You know why? kcr Mar 2014 #363

I am not jumping to conclusions either and that is why I have said many times, I am not sure. stevenleser Mar 2014 #364

this isn't proof of his innocence as far as I'm concerned cali Mar 2014 #34

Her own daughter contradicted her mother's story. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #253

Her daughter was arrested for assaulting her mother, just to let you know. bravenak Mar 2014 #258

Lolita Grayson seems to be the erratic person alleged by Rep. Grayson. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #261

We don't anything about whether she needs psychiatric care or not. bravenak Mar 2014 #287

Oh yeah, of course the cops arrest the daughter. Who do you think they believe first? Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #291

The link you provided has more key information. pacalo Mar 2014 #283

I posted it because there are more allegations made by them against her. bravenak Mar 2014 #285

I agree about the audio. pacalo Mar 2014 #293

The audio might make him look even better. bravenak Mar 2014 #296

Is that how this works? He needs to prove his innocence? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #270

She has bruises on her arm and shoulders Not 840high Mar 2014 #318

Lying about abuse, eh? Oh, but that never happens! Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #46

Men are treated as disposable tools in our society Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #53

+ A Million, but you will get NOWHERE on this board with a discussion closeupready Mar 2014 #63

there are those of us who stand up for men too. We're just not as loud as the ones who claim all men liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #67

Glad that I was wrong, then, friend. closeupready Mar 2014 #75

I have a wonderful, loving husband and a son who is kind and caring. liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #91

I disagree that there are DUers who claim all men are evil. cyberswede Mar 2014 #96

funny that there are no DUers who "claim all men are evil" so no the Mens' Rights' geek tragedy Mar 2014 #147

I don't understand what you mean by "disposable tools" cyberswede Mar 2014 #66

One example of this is war Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #84

Using poeple for cannon fodder is wrong. cyberswede Mar 2014 #95

The reason being that men are still taught to stick to traditional gender roles Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #366

War is an instance where male machismo becomes fatal. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #241

lol Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #85

I'm sorry, but that's a grotesque generalization in light of the number of women cali Mar 2014 #108

I don't think the objectification of women sibelian Mar 2014 #180

As far as I can tell they didn't say anything about women. Dawgs Mar 2014 #191

that's the downside of gender essentialism promoted by cultural conservatives alp227 Mar 2014 #114

That's what you get from this? treestar Mar 2014 #228

This is literally the exact opposite of how society works. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #238

Its good to see he wasn't the one doing the hitting and yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #57

I live in his district, and so far it's a non issue. Not Me Mar 2014 #62

So much pointing of fingers in the other thread at jumping to conclusions kcr Mar 2014 #71

why no sound? Whisp Mar 2014 #74

No, it's not weird. The video has sound. It was edited over concerns that it might not be legal LisaL Mar 2014 #88

Yep, Andy823 Mar 2014 #89

It's edited out. For crying out loud. LisaL Mar 2014 #98

If the sound was edited out then something else may have been too. Whisp Mar 2014 #117

Do you not understand that it might not be legal to release what she was saying unless LisaL Mar 2014 #122

That's fine, but it's still missing information n/t kcr Mar 2014 #130

His lawyers have it. LisaL Mar 2014 #133

Okay kcr Mar 2014 #156

It is clear to me that this video doesn't prove anything and Could have been altered in other ways Whisp Mar 2014 #157

What legal concerns? Andy823 Mar 2014 #152

the edited out sound as a legality is not mentioned in the story.. Whisp Mar 2014 #176

You are allowed to google it, you know. LisaL Mar 2014 #185

There have been instances where cops have arrested people on wire tap charges for 1monster Mar 2014 #397

In Oregon, it's illegal to covertly record audio but you can openly video legally. Shrike47 Mar 2014 #183

Thank you. I should have known that but some things fall through the cracks. Whisp Mar 2014 #190

Pretty smart on his part. His wife would be wise to consider doing the same. temporary311 Mar 2014 #99

+1 B Calm Mar 2014 #149

NeJame was one of CNN's commentators in the Trayvon Martin trial. amandabeech Mar 2014 #111

So, this DID go down the way I hoped it did in my response to last night's thread! Systematic Chaos Mar 2014 #177

Divorce is a blessing! She apparently had an injunction against him for violence Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #193

Maybe you should actually read the whole thread. LisaL Mar 2014 #197

I did. There's obviously something wrong with this marriage. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #209

She got an order based on her assertions of violence (no proof beyond her allegation needed.) Shrike47 Mar 2014 #257

Either way, it makes me realize how important divorce is. It might sadden some, but Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #267

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #201

I would expect a 'battered' wife to avoid having any confrontations with her 'abuser'. pacalo Mar 2014 #205

He showed up, apparently. Some marriages need to end. Most marriages in fact do end. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #218

She needs to remember those are his kids, too. They are going to want to see him & vice versa. pacalo Mar 2014 #226

He was allowed to show up. There was no restraining order. phleshdef Mar 2014 #242

Even though she is the aggressor, this video will hurt him Warpy Mar 2014 #207

Is it too much to hope that people learned not to jump to conclusions? LittleBlue Mar 2014 #219

If folks didn't learn that temporary311 Mar 2014 #274

Alan, if you see this..... We've all been through it at one time or another... Pinkflamingo Mar 2014 #265

agreed grasswire Mar 2014 #277

Alan, if you see this, why do you pander to corporations such as Sea World??? ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #279

you may have been... stillcool Mar 2014 #281

Grayson has a lot of great zingers, but there's something fried eggs Mar 2014 #311

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