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The Magistrate

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57. You Are Too Kind, Ma'am

Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:17 AM

Mar 2014

I agree we have surrendered any claim to moral high ground in the matter.

I would disagree that Mr. Putin has any more justification for his actions here that we have had for many of ours.

However, I certainly understand the desire of any Russian leader to hold on to the Crimea. It is essential to their exercise of naval power, and gaining and maintaining access from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean has long been a focus of Russian statecraft. A power with the military capability Russia possesses cannot be expect to give up a thing like that just for the asking, and certainly Mr. Putin's conduct earlier has left him no reason whatever to expect friendship and accommodation from a Ukrainian government now or in the future. Russia has no right to the Crimea, but it does have the might to hold it, and that is all the right it really needs.

I expect Russia will emerge from this with the Crimea, and no friends.

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What is your point? BainsBane Mar 2014 #11

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I guess I'm just an old-fashioned anti-imperialist BainsBane Mar 2014 #14

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You know they hold parliamentary seats, right? Adrahil Mar 2014 #30

You can't exclude them because they are calling the shots........ rdharma Mar 2014 #37

When it gets to the point of justifying a military incursion into a sovereign nation BainsBane Mar 2014 #10

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You are superb at reciting Russian propaganda BainsBane Mar 2014 #39

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Our propaganda is better than theirs. L0oniX Mar 2014 #43

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You should be sceptical of most media newthinking Mar 2014 #13

Such references dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #17

What if the Kremlin "bankrolls" them to tell us the truth? another_liberal Mar 2014 #23

Those who doubt RT may wish to note that even the NYT BlueMTexpat Mar 2014 #6

The part where the NYT excuses thousands of Russian soldiers taking over Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #9

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It Is Common Knowledge, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2014 #46

I am actually flattered to have BlueMTexpat Mar 2014 #56

You Are Too Kind, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2014 #57

You may be correct about the outcome. BlueMTexpat Mar 2014 #58

I Cetainly Share That Hope, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2014 #59

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If there was a non-democratic overthrow of the German government? GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #19

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