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TreasonousBastard

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350. I agree that such an OP is largely useless, since it...

Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:19 AM

Mar 2014

too often falls on the deaf ears of those it applies to. But, DU is no different from any other board or list that has its contingent of people jumping to conclusions. Loudly. And once in a while a rude awakening to that fact may be appropriate.

In the last year or so I've run into the same sort of nonsense in several organizations I'm involved in. There seems to always be a loud contingent that has the absolute, final answer to a problem they discovered. Invented, actually. My position had generally been that if you have such a problem with the organization, or "that" person, perhaps a large part part of the problem is within you. I've noticed that idea has actually gained a lot of traction and often enough we've started on the way to mediation. Differentiating those with genuine concerns from garden-variety malcontents tends to be a good start.

Apologies are rarely necessary, but a simple "OK, I was wrong" is a really good start. And so difficult for so many.

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Now that video exists of Alan Grayson being attacked by his wife without retaliating, I predict ... [View all] 11 Bravo Mar 2014 OP

That's not my issue with Mr. Grayson because that is his personal life. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #1

Do tell about SeaWorld with a link or something. rgbecker Mar 2014 #87

I don't get their newsletter either. Please ask nicely or Google it. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #92

Got it, thanks for the help. rgbecker Mar 2014 #122

Nope, that's not the one. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #124

...and....CRICKETS...of course ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #202

Not when it comes to women. Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #293

I don't think it's a women thing. thesquanderer Mar 2014 #310

True, sometimes. Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #313

You brought it up. nt Deep13 Mar 2014 #228

I've posted it about eleventy-dozen times in the last 2.5 years. Because it does not fit with the ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #231

Jury Results: X_Digger Mar 2014 #270

Thanks. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #275

Well, I wish you would have posted a link to what you're talking about, regardless of Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #319

For God's sake....Don't tell us, Please. rgbecker Mar 2014 #339

Not with respect to Grayson, just as to politicians in general: merrily Mar 2014 #309

The Conservative DINO's among us hate Grayson and will be glad when Karl Rove shuts him rhett o rick Mar 2014 #2

I wonder why a Progressive Democrat's divorce issues are so public, and distorted it appears when sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #10

Seems like we've been down this road before. Cleita Mar 2014 #17

"The Third Way doesn't look the other way" I stand corrected. Remember when John Conyers was rhett o rick Mar 2014 #26

Yes, and people are certainly beginning to notice. If this is how the game is played, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #106

Bingo, which is exactly why I don't support Grayson and have withdrawn support. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #115

Heroes alfredo Mar 2014 #137

So where's the quid pro quo? Where's the 90K in the freezer? The kickback or whatever GoneFishin Mar 2014 #253

Nope. I support progressives, not those who pander to corps. Sorry. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #257

Yeah. You keep saying that. But WHAT MONEY? GoneFishin Mar 2014 #262

Here you go. I was hoping you would ask... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #268

So there's Grayson; greiner3 Mar 2014 #273

What does Alan Grayson being willing to bring the whole of the Humane Society down upon ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #279

Perhaps like many of us, Grayson grew up Live and Learn Mar 2014 #322

I think it is better to judge this issue alongside the rest of his record newthinking Mar 2014 #323

Sea World employs 6000 people and attracts 8 million tourists to the area? William Seger Mar 2014 #334

So who would that be other than Warren and Sanders.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #266

My comments are in response to those who believe that Grayson is some maverick progressive. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #269

and my response is a response to that.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #271

Read over my posting history of the past 11-ish years, if you care to. The only person ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #274

So SHE can have an issue you disagree with and that doesn't make her "NOT Liberal" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #277

...She's not liberal. It's just Grayson is so very not liberal. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #282

Okay that is some really convoluted logic.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #284

I've been extremely clear and concise with facts ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #285

The so-called facts are not the issue.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #287

Im confused. quakerboy Mar 2014 #308

Do you support Obama? n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #317

On this one issue you disagree with him, so he's good for nothing? LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #261

Sorry, but that decision was horrific. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #263

He intervenes on behalf of a 6,000 job employer in his area dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #364

Spitzer and Weiner committed suicide pscot Mar 2014 #278

Of course. Rationalization is the key to happiness, right? nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #296

Didn't Spitzer go to work on TV, too? merrily Mar 2014 #301

Rangel, Waters, merrily Mar 2014 #316

add to that LiberalLovinLug Mar 2014 #358

McKinney? Really? dbackjon Mar 2014 #359

"There are no conspiracies, there are no conspiracies, there are no...." rhett o rick Mar 2014 #361

No doubt. blackspade Mar 2014 #60

Remember Jack Ryan's (R - Goldman Sachs) divorce? REP Mar 2014 #94

That was going to be made very public regardless Aerows Mar 2014 #147

They were divorced in 1999; records were unsealed in 2004 during his campaign REP Mar 2014 #225

It comes natural to them. ReRe Mar 2014 #312

Mr. Grayson took a rather conservative stance ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #25

I wasn't aware of the Sea World thing, but what bothers me madinmaryland Mar 2014 #181

I remember how exciting it was when Elizabeth first logged in and Skinner vetted her. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #186

That is tacky as hell Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #300

Everything with you seems to be Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #138

A little twisty. I didnt say all those that didnt like Grayson were DINO's as you suggest. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #149

Your deflecting skills are good.... n/t Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #256

Nobody hear hates him treestar Mar 2014 #213

LOL, of course not. They just dont care if he lives. I would guess that all of the BOG rhett o rick Mar 2014 #297

Why does it have to be either, or? Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #311

There are some on here who hate him, seemingly just because he speaks out and is progressive. cui bono Mar 2014 #318

Well, we disagree. So be it. Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #325

Why would a Bogger even oppose him? treestar Mar 2014 #332

You would have to ask them that. Ask them why they ridicule him in his own threads too. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #333

Baloney treestar Mar 2014 #331

Please dont twist my words. I never claimed his life was threatened. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #353

It's that nasty little "Stop The Left" neoliberal Third Way agenda. Zorra Mar 2014 #246

he's a good rhetoric man (no pun intended), like dennis was, who doesn't wield much power. dionysus Mar 2014 #276

I'm sure they will apologize RobertEarl Mar 2014 #3

You seem very angry at people who don't really exist geek tragedy Mar 2014 #4

So what you are saying is... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #9

what I am saying is that the time frame that is most under dispute is not shown geek tragedy Mar 2014 #11

WELL she said she was shoved... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #15

all valid questions. As far as people lying, I recommend you see geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19

Where is yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #28

Is that a picture of a NAKED MAN ON DU! snooper2 Mar 2014 #32

pssst...thats from the movie yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #34

I know, but this is DU snooper2 Mar 2014 #37

Well ... he is also yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #40

The only thing I can say to this is.. butterfly77 Mar 2014 #234

Clean livin' Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #111

No shit. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #107

Oh, come on, can I please just look at the picture? raven mad Mar 2014 #62

Not Naked! blackspade Mar 2014 #63

AAAAAAARGRGHHHHH!!!RRAARRHGGHTTGGH!!KL AARTGGTGAAEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!#^%^*^�%^*< Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #104

Right, "discussion" Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #120

Yeh, me too. Whisp Mar 2014 #189

Bigfoot Porn, Again? Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #248

Was the bag surgically attached to his hand? kcr Mar 2014 #35

When one carries a bag like that... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #38

It might have been the mail he had come to collect kcr Mar 2014 #41

IT would HAVE been a whole lot better if it had yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #44

Poison? blackspade Mar 2014 #66

IF if was made by yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #69

I wouldn't put that scenerio past him. Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #145

Make the statement=Provide the proof HangOnKids Mar 2014 #154

I have no idea what it is you want Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #254

" I've seen him act out in ways towards women, that were completely wrong." Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #260

For one, with Karen Finney on the Lawrence O'Donnell show. Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #265

Was it this exchange? Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #299

No, it was definitely on Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #302

Yeah, I couldn't find anything else with the two of them together. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #303

Of course your opinion is your option but this statement is not an opinion it is stated as a fact HangOnKids Mar 2014 #291

I already answered that here. Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #292

You didn't answer shit HangOnKids Mar 2014 #294

Either you're too Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #295

I'm not looking for flies dear HangOnKids Mar 2014 #365

You should take care Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #367

Perhaps to get her behavior on film lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #195

Hmmm kcr Mar 2014 #196

MRA fantasy land is women Always lie. And suck your soul out while at it. Whisp Mar 2014 #267

Someone else is actually putting forth this ludicrous sting operation theory kcr Mar 2014 #289

I am not accusing the guy of shoving anyone, let me make that clear. MADem Mar 2014 #326

Right .. yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #357

Exactly! Andy823 Mar 2014 #16

more to the point, there was no effort to attack or shame Grayson supporters geek tragedy Mar 2014 #18

Horseshit. Some were accused of "victim-blaming" at a bare minimum. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #58

sigh. the objections to "victim-blaming" were not to people geek tragedy Mar 2014 #64

Did you watch the video posted in #299? Jim Lane Mar 2014 #366

Riiiight, I imagined that thread. And NO, I won't bother to link to it because ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #21

If that's the thread with about 76 responses right now, it is actually geek tragedy Mar 2014 #27

What is shows is her abusing him. Nothing else. That proves she is abusive. Unless it's not abusive sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #22

perhaps you missed the point that geek tragedy Mar 2014 #24

Why would Grayson bring Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #45

I'm not the wife's attorney, nor a prosecutor, nor someone who is claiming geek tragedy Mar 2014 #49

Or the video person couldn't get started until a certain point treestar Mar 2014 #219

To me, it doesn't look like the video was planned whopis01 Mar 2014 #335

Actually, bringing a witness to a situation like this is standard Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #348

If the person was brought specifically to film the event whopis01 Mar 2014 #352

Exactly what badge sniffers say when a cop killing is shown on video. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #205

this is ironic--here you are attacking me for not rushing to conclusions geek tragedy Mar 2014 #207

I have not watched the video. Let me watch and get back to you. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #208

I can't watch the video here it seems. Bonobo Mar 2014 #210

Wait a minute. You haven't even seen the video kcr Mar 2014 #235

If you actually read my posts... Bonobo Mar 2014 #236

No, that isn't the only conclusion kcr Mar 2014 #243

Amazing, isn't it? Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #298

The OP greatly overstates the supposed lynch mob mentality. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #249

You can watch this video in Japan Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #337

No, I didn't miss it, nor do I presume to know anything but what I can see. You otoh, want me to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #223

You are falsely characterizing my statements. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #241

You stated that we don't know what was on the part of the tape we haven't seen. Why is that sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #280

Ask Shirley Sherrod. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #283

He attacked her fist with his face, silly! Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #114

He's not going to end up in the hospital treestar Mar 2014 #217

But if he had done exactly the same thing he would be considered a monster. Thanks, that's what I sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #232

If he hit her, he might have hurt her treestar Mar 2014 #330

So you ARE saying it's okay for a woman to hit a man. How do you feel about lying about men sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #344

NO, but the results count treestar Mar 2014 #346

So if I punch someone, just because I'm a woman, I won't be arrested for assault? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #349

Anytime an adult hits another adult, there is the potential for severe injury and death. stevenleser Mar 2014 #362

I think I've told you of the broken bones, etc. I received while married, polly7 Mar 2014 #222

Polly, you are one of the most honest, ethical people on DU and your opinion sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #226

... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #233

Screw it, I'll address it. Why not... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #247

He's a pandering blowhard. There are several major corporations in his district. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #255

Doth protest too much. GoneFishin Mar 2014 #258

Just passing through pointing out that your "God" is a little bit less than... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #259

Yeah. So are you alleging that is his fault? GoneFishin Mar 2014 #264

Elizabeth Warren, my senator and a damn good one, engaged in pork barrel politics quite recently. MADem Mar 2014 #327

OMG! That does it! Lol. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #288

The feeling is mutual, Sabrina! polly7 Mar 2014 #341

It has certainly been... what's the word? Oh yeah, "educational" opiate69 Mar 2014 #354

I never even heard of the incident! George II Mar 2014 #108

+1, plus this kind of divorce is not a good thing for a politician treestar Mar 2014 #215

I am not going to judge, having the privilege geek tragedy Mar 2014 #244

True, but having seen a lot of divorces treestar Mar 2014 #329

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #5

As long as you made an adult decision to circumcise yourself. closeupready Mar 2014 #7

Were you asked to show your receipt? nt OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #12

sorry, thatt video although helpful to him is no dispositive. cali Mar 2014 #6

And that is my exact point. We DON'T know exactly what happened. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #33

And, speaking of "victim blaming", deafening silence from many around this post in another thread... opiate69 Mar 2014 #43

Hi. bravenak Mar 2014 #48

The forlorn hope has arrived! 1000words Mar 2014 #52

What up, playa? bravenak Mar 2014 #53

bravenak BainsBane Mar 2014 #97

I love you too!!! bravenak Mar 2014 #113

um... opiate69 Mar 2014 #54

That's me. bravenak Mar 2014 #56

You called her out. She came, responded BainsBane Mar 2014 #98

I need nothing. Her words speak volumes on their own opiate69 Mar 2014 #101

Yeah, slight difference BainsBane Mar 2014 #105

Indeed it was repulsive. Glad we agree. opiate69 Mar 2014 #121

Very few victims of absue report. BainsBane Mar 2014 #128

Ok. so the video was edited... however, opiate69 Mar 2014 #134

Really? BainsBane Mar 2014 #151

Additionally BainsBane Mar 2014 #116

anyone think TPTB are behind this to prevent him from becoming president ? JI7 Mar 2014 #8

No, because he has never had the slightest chance of being nominated cali Mar 2014 #20

I didn't see any posts like that... cyberswede Mar 2014 #13

Can one link to one's own imagination? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #23

Here's a great example: demwing Mar 2014 #42

Thanks cyberswede Mar 2014 #46

Mmmmmmm .... 1000words Mar 2014 #14

i saw one thread. first three of four posts had the woman as a bad mom, a lolita, liar.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #29

According to Grayson's lawyer- Grayson's daughter claims Mr.Grayson did not hit her mother or lumpy Mar 2014 #68

Ok. That really has nothing to do with my list and the discussion seabeyond Mar 2014 #75

Yeah, like if there was video of him striking her "the jury" would still be out awaiting conclusive TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #70

And I won't argue that one either, lol. Ya. Nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #76

hope it gets cleared up --like him a lot dembotoz Mar 2014 #30

Sounds like a shitstorm. Glad I missed it. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #31

I still think, no, I KNOW Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #84

Well, I'm glad you think so. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #112

Sorry, but that wasn't clear with your last post. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #130

I stand by my post Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #39

You should. bravenak Mar 2014 #50

Thanks yo Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #71

You're welcome. bravenak Mar 2014 #72

Diagnosing from the grandstands now? HangOnKids Mar 2014 #85

Hey, I was just thinking about you Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #119

So you know SHIT about Grayson but had to throw your cheap hat in the ring? HangOnKids Mar 2014 #127

Oh, same old HangOnKids...I've missed our little routine Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #133

Hey the routine HangOnKids Mar 2014 #135

Welcome! Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #136

Boom! Cha Mar 2014 #328

... Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #336

LOL, are you expect to be taken seriously? n-t Logical Mar 2014 #190

That the best you could do Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #191

Makes no sense like your other post. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #194

It's a "streak detector", man! Don't you even know about the "streak detector"?!? nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #320

I didn't read any of those threads, but I'll bet I can name 90% of the people considered him guilty. Marr Mar 2014 #47

Considering that there aren't even 10 people doing that, technically that's impossible nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #55

So you have now gone from "people who don't really exist", to "there was no effort", to ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #74

What about marr accusing duers with NO info. That does not even hit you outrage meter. Right? Nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #79

That comment was ridiculously stupid and offensive. But it's not what I posted about. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #96

I would absolutely agree. But, I did not read what you did on the only seabeyond Mar 2014 #123

you evidently are still very angry at someone over this case geek tragedy Mar 2014 #80

Hysterical! Yeah, "not even 10" has long been adult speak for "zero". 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #86

thank you for your pointless insults. you are obviously the right person geek tragedy Mar 2014 #95

I don't know shit about this case. Neither do you. But ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #117

you decried the mean people geek tragedy Mar 2014 #126

BAZINGA! HangOnKids Mar 2014 #110

Do tell? seabeyond Mar 2014 #61

That easily goes both ways treestar Mar 2014 #220

Except it doesn't go both ways. Marr Mar 2014 #229

That vid only shows part of the story. Whisp Mar 2014 #51

So, out of curiosity, what exactly could he have said or done that would justify her assaulting him opiate69 Mar 2014 #57

I have no idea what happened. Whisp Mar 2014 #67

So... physical violence is possibly a legit response to threatening words? opiate69 Mar 2014 #73

I'm not playing your game, opiate. Whisp Mar 2014 #77

It's not a game. what, if anything, justifies assault? opiate69 Mar 2014 #88

ok, let's leave the Grayson case aside for a minute. Whisp Mar 2014 #91

As would I. opiate69 Mar 2014 #99

You can't justify assault LittleBlue Mar 2014 #103

She bruises on her arms and shoulders. 840high Mar 2014 #251

Can you honestly say that you'd take the same position if the sexes were reversed? Marr Mar 2014 #150

what the heck does that mean? Whisp Mar 2014 #153

Really? You're going to pretend that question was difficult to understand? Marr Mar 2014 #155

If the sexes were reversed I would still want to know the missing part of the vid. Whisp Mar 2014 #167

I don't believe you. Marr Mar 2014 #174

and I don't believe a word you ever say either. Whisp Mar 2014 #176

The only thing I've said is that suggesting the victim of an assault might've deserved it is sick. Marr Mar 2014 #177

he could very well have hit her first, now That is what is sick to deny that Whisp Mar 2014 #185

The video contradicts her version of events. Marr Mar 2014 #201

okay, I get it now Whisp Mar 2014 #209

I can tell you're desperate to change the subject. Marr Mar 2014 #227

Why not admit that the President is sometimes right? Whisp Mar 2014 #230

You've gone from 'maybe the victim deserved to be hit' to 'leave Obama alone'. Marr Mar 2014 #237

I never said the victim deserved to be hit. Whisp Mar 2014 #238

Why are you ranting about Grayson's prospects as a presidential candidate? Marr Mar 2014 #245

The billion dollar question. Thank you for asking it. Bonobo Mar 2014 #281

Because it doesn't show the part where he deserved it? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #198

WTF? blackspade Mar 2014 #59

I don't think it happened; I didn't see it, either. cyberswede Mar 2014 #65

Alan! AzDar Mar 2014 #78

Who had him "tried and convicted?" MADem Mar 2014 #81

If you're accused, you're guilty bluestateguy Mar 2014 #82

Would you like to point out who "these people here" are as you find them guilty seabeyond Mar 2014 #83

Who knows? Well, we know at this point that she can be violent Warpy Mar 2014 #90

Where is the initial thread? Hissyspit Mar 2014 #93

Here. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #143

Thnx! Hissyspit Mar 2014 #193

Thank you. eom. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #206

"Guilty until proven innocent" is the way the internet works today. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #100

And, if the narrative is juicy enough... regnaD kciN Mar 2014 #307

Which DUers tried and convicted him? BainsBane Mar 2014 #102

Did you even watch the video? LisaL Mar 2014 #109

I just did BainsBane Mar 2014 #125

Oh for crying out loud. Google is your friend. LisaL Mar 2014 #129

WTF does that have to do with the video? BainsBane Mar 2014 #132

Oh for crying out loud. LisaL Mar 2014 #152

It doesn't come up in a google search BainsBane Mar 2014 #165

She is the one who called 911 and claimed she was assaulted. LisaL Mar 2014 #166

It doesn't bother you at all about what may have been happening Whisp Mar 2014 #131

he has not been cleared?? grasswire Mar 2014 #139

The charges of domestic assault filed with the court. BainsBane Mar 2014 #142

the bedrock principle of our system of justice... grasswire Mar 2014 #304

Of course BainsBane Mar 2014 #305

Now that I'm watched that video, I'm really pissed off BainsBane Mar 2014 #140

seeing that looped over and over was a shocker Whisp Mar 2014 #146

Anyone can see it's a loop BainsBane Mar 2014 #148

Then go look at the video that is not a loop. LisaL Mar 2014 #156

link? BainsBane Mar 2014 #158

There are four seconds unseen Nevernose Mar 2014 #159

Four seconds unseen? BainsBane Mar 2014 #162

She walks from the car to the house Nevernose Mar 2014 #170

why would he have to put the bag down? Whisp Mar 2014 #172

It means that she's guilty of domestic violence Nevernose Mar 2014 #178

No it doesn't because we do not see the whole scenario. Whisp Mar 2014 #187

iirc there was no camera pan.... pan from the red van to the front steps. Whisp Mar 2014 #179

I was going to say. We don't even know how many seconds are missing. kcr Mar 2014 #192

How in the world did you come up with '4 seconds' missing? n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #197

From the timer at the bottom Nevernose Mar 2014 #199

I see no timer at the bottom... Whisp Mar 2014 #203

This is what I was looking at Nevernose Mar 2014 #211

Did you hear the part Andy823 Mar 2014 #216

It was said the sound wasn't on the recording because of law Whisp Mar 2014 #224

Re: The Bruises - The link downthread says Lolita takes Taekwondo. I took it in college and I stevenleser Mar 2014 #221

So you know for a fact that video covers the entire incident? idendoit Mar 2014 #141

Heh. I saw NONE of that going on, but it fits the narrative so go for it, buddy! Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #144

Well shit, Sheldon, if YOU didn't see it, then clearly it didn't happen. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #183

Sheldon is right because he posts snarky photoshopped gag pix. closeupready Mar 2014 #240

Here is the video some are claiming exonerates Grayson BainsBane Mar 2014 #157

If you don't like loops, WTF are you looking at this particular one? LisaL Mar 2014 #161

It's the only one I know BainsBane Mar 2014 #163

There is no loop here. LisaL Mar 2014 #164

Indeed. and it shows a single push BainsBane Mar 2014 #168

You do realize that mose likely it was Orlando Sentinel who put the video on the loop? LisaL Mar 2014 #169

I have no idea BainsBane Mar 2014 #175

That video does not prove anything. 840high Mar 2014 #160

It proves that her version of events was not factual, and that she's guilty of domestic violence. Marr Mar 2014 #182

I didn't get that 840high Mar 2014 #250

Thanks. Lolita Grayson Appears to be a Liar BodieTown Mar 2014 #171

But run from this man, Democrats! Run, run away. The Republicans will be grateful as always. maddiemom Mar 2014 #173

You totally don't get it at all, do you. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #180

Don't hold your breath 11Bravo malaise Mar 2014 #184

After reading the thread I would say that the OP is correct, no apologies forthcoming Fumesucker Mar 2014 #188

Perhaps now, Alan Grayson will think twice before accusing an opponent of "beating his wife" cpwm17 Mar 2014 #200

I'm ready for him to get lost, and you should be too. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #204

I'm not a big fan of Alan Grayson cpwm17 Mar 2014 #214

Thank you for listening. For months I have been posting this in the face of "Alan can do no ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #218

DUers should not be taunted for being wrong treestar Mar 2014 #212

Well said. I would like to see that good advice applied all around. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #239

except i would like to know what thread the duers were doing as bravo suggested. seabeyond Mar 2014 #252

Why not? And if even ... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #286

It just adds to the animosity treestar Mar 2014 #347

I agree that such an OP is largely useless, since it... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #350

OP provided them a period lasting until the end of time to prove him wrong. JVS Mar 2014 #315

Not automatically assuming guilty until proven innocent would help cool down some of the great Hissyspit Mar 2014 #321

Poor guy. What a mess. merrily Mar 2014 #242

we saw a select portion of video, sans sound. i'll reserve judgement until the matter is settled. dionysus Mar 2014 #272

Agreed. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #290

I predict... regnaD kciN Mar 2014 #306

I think you're right nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #314

Well it looks like Progressivism and Liberalism have been discredited and dishonored for ALL TIME nikto Mar 2014 #324

This place has been infiltrated with trolls The Wizard Mar 2014 #338

Her story didn't pass the smell test MynameisBlarney Mar 2014 #340

I don't see how anyone can know what all happened based on that tiny bit of video gollygee Mar 2014 #342

It would have helped if everyone advancing a theory made disclaimers to that effect, i.e. its a stevenleser Mar 2014 #343

It appears some view it as absolute evidence kcr Mar 2014 #355

I had not heard of the video. I am glad there is one. dotymed Mar 2014 #345

My son was falsely accused by an insane woman a few years ago... jimlup Mar 2014 #351

I rarely look at Greatest Threads page and to find 2nd to top one is bashing DUers is a reason why uppityperson Mar 2014 #356

K&R! Omaha Steve Mar 2014 #360

So the contingent was all set with tar and feathers, and Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #363