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jberryhill

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73. I think you are missing the nuts and bolts of this

Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:18 PM

Mar 2014

Proposed cell service on airplanes is not going to use either terrestrial towers or sat phones. The heart of the matter is that all of the cell phones in the plane are in a wonderful metal enclosure, with limited capability to connect to ANYTHING outside of the plane, except for attenuated signals through the small windows.

What they are talking about is, since they've already put WiFi in the planes, is having a cell transceiver IN the airplane that multiplexes all of the calls into a single satellite link on the plane. That can use the same channel as the WiFi. Your cell phone is not going to be connecting to a terrestrial tower or a satellite. Your cell phone is going to be connecting to the onboard unit which, to your phone, looks like a normal cell tower.

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If you do not want cell phone chatting while flying [View all] question everything Mar 2014 OP

If you get upset about other humans talking, please go to another planet. FSogol Mar 2014 #1

I don't have to be next to someone talking on the ground question everything Mar 2014 #8

I tend to cut people a break. Someday I might want/need to make a phone call myself. FSogol Mar 2014 #12

Again, s-l-o-w-l-y question everything Mar 2014 #25

Can't person x shout, curse, smell bad, and shout Benghazi WITHOUT a phone? FSogol Mar 2014 #28

Yah hey, everybody has money to charter planes, don't they? riqster Mar 2014 #40

Well, if you can't charter a private plane, I guess you'll just have to learn to deal with other FSogol Mar 2014 #43

No, it means that you do not. riqster Mar 2014 #47

Sure. And one way to "deal with" other people who don't know how to act in public... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #128

So don't fly. No one is making you joeglow3 Mar 2014 #37

Not every choice is completely free and isolated. riqster Mar 2014 #45

Family members HAVE to live across country? All jobs require travel? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #60

Yes, well, he arranged his life at a time when cell phones weren't used on planes jberryhill Mar 2014 #83

The problem is there is NO reason for the govt to restrict the right joeglow3 Mar 2014 #86

Lol, no jberryhill Mar 2014 #87

Give me ONE good reason beyond "I don't like it." joeglow3 Mar 2014 #90

Give me a break... Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #138

Constitutionaly, yes joeglow3 Mar 2014 #139

I will personally support any Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #144

You have a guaranteed right to use your cell phone on a plane? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #52

PLEASE show me where I said airlines cannot restrict it. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #61

What amendment guarantees the right to talk on a cell phone on a plane? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #66

The tenth. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #68

Here is the text, don't see anything about cell phone usage on planes uppityperson Mar 2014 #93

Then you don't understand the constitution joeglow3 Mar 2014 #99

Interstate commerce. Next? jberryhill Mar 2014 #103

The 10th, right? Shit....it's a big, flashing neon sign, ain't it? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #130

Sort of jberryhill Mar 2014 #135

The Madison/Hamilton fight over who should be allocated the most frequent flier miles acccumulated msanthrope Mar 2014 #137

Oh my. The government does not restrict the right of others question everything Mar 2014 #98

Those are for safety. NOT to prevent you from being annoyed. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #100

Except for the ones you wish to send to another planet. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #72

I wish you a flight sitting next to this person: DetlefK Mar 2014 #10

So, no one should talk because Ms. Beard is a problem? FSogol Mar 2014 #14

I guess, you are one of the people who have no problem with: DetlefK Mar 2014 #21

I have remedies for all that since I am a pro at dealing with people. FSogol Mar 2014 #33

You assume that asking nicely is a remedy for every impolite behaviour. DetlefK Mar 2014 #39

All of your examples were not major problems. Major problems can be handled by the FSogol Mar 2014 #41

kicking the seat is proactive? who knew! bettyellen Mar 2014 #54

Yes, it works quite well. Would an angry letter work better? n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #56

I think just asking the person nicely would work better- so they would understand your intent? bettyellen Mar 2014 #57

Maybe a polite request instead? uppityperson Mar 2014 #94

But, if all those people would quit talking to you ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #114

"since I am a pro at dealing with people" Matariki Mar 2014 #116

High 5! FSogol Mar 2014 #119

Yes. Because the world is full of Lakeysha Beards. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #26

The entire world is annoying except you? FSogol Mar 2014 #46

I was raised to be mindful of others. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #59

Nah, I'm a luddite with a nearly antique flip phone*. I seldom make calls and my call are usually FSogol Mar 2014 #62

Wave that flip phone proudly! WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #69

LG Tracfone here, too IDemo Mar 2014 #88

Yep, that's the one. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #89

No cable or dish here for years IDemo Mar 2014 #92

Beautiful. :-) WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #96

I love the fact that the woman said she was "disrespected" A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #15

Th-th-this, th-this, th-thissity this. Iggo Mar 2014 #20

Sit five hours next to someone like Sarah Palin... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #24

No no no no no no no Palin speak, ultimate torture. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #27

Yep. One of my neighbors is extremely loud... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #34

Flying is the pits now. For decades I used to fly all over the place on business, but that RKP5637 Mar 2014 #42

Yeah, same here. riqster Mar 2014 #49

Wow, that sounds like the last flight I was on Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #106

LOL, I bet you are one of the really annoying ones! nt Logical Mar 2014 #64

f*** that Skittles Mar 2014 #97

Why regulate it... jberryhill Mar 2014 #102

It strikes me this is more about Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2014 #129

Best Post So Far ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #131

thanks! Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2014 #132

You could always retaliate with a Ghetto Blaster Boombox. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #2

Nice, but this will hurt others question everything Mar 2014 #9

1987 called, requesting you return their terminology... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #32

Still called that over here dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #35

I'll simply stare at them and try to get in on the conversation. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #3

hahahah...a one-act play... pipi_k Mar 2014 #48

^this^ frylock Mar 2014 #55

No big deal to me. I rarely fly anywhere. I B Calm Mar 2014 #4

Same here, I never fly. Used to for years when it was fun, but no more. I just see planes RKP5637 Mar 2014 #44

While I find it annoying at times, air travel is already so restrictive that I'm against any bans... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #5

Just did thank you! gopiscrap Mar 2014 #6

Today people don't care if they violate your space. upaloopa Mar 2014 #7

That's what I do as well Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #107

...and no talking to seatmates! brooklynite Mar 2014 #11

Nope, just the opposite. Hearing only one side of a conversation has been shown... Silent3 Mar 2014 #120

Question everything except this thread seveneyes Mar 2014 #13

There is also irony in telling everyone to shut up in a thread about telling people to shut up. FSogol Mar 2014 #17

Allow texting, NOT talking. nt Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #16

Done. n/t Chan790 Mar 2014 #18

Here's a question: will cell service be dependable at 30,000'? TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #19

I think it uses some hybrid satellite/cell scheme seveneyes Mar 2014 #23

Doesn't use the terrestrial towers jberryhill Mar 2014 #53

There is at present no sattelite cell service that most would use TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #63

I think you are missing the nuts and bolts of this jberryhill Mar 2014 #73

"multiplexes all of the calls into a single satellite link on the plane" TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #75

I'll check.... jberryhill Mar 2014 #81

I stand corrected- the satellites did not burn up TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #77

Oh, yeah, don't you ever watch Iridium Flares? jberryhill Mar 2014 #82

that is too good and thanks for the vid. I've read of them, wondered what they looked like uppityperson Mar 2014 #95

Check out the schedule for your location jberryhill Mar 2014 #101

Actually heavensabove is where I saw them listed, now know what to look for if it's clear here in uppityperson Mar 2014 #105

You mean all the times I saw a shooting star Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #121

I'm really torn on this. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #22

I'm not sure you understand the dynamic here jberryhill Mar 2014 #104

I get it ... mostly.... I know it will be more like a relay scenario. Like the current wifi use. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #108

You know who I want to get my hands on? jberryhill Mar 2014 #109

Not a business traveler if you want cell phone discussions on a plane JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #29

Now that point had not occurred to me nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #31

Kids are much less annoying than loud adults, and there are already plenty of them. HuckleB Mar 2014 #71

How is that different from talking to nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #30

My only problem pipi_k Mar 2014 #36

It's annoying, but it keeps them from ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #38

Somebody tried to TALK to you? How horrible! FSogol Mar 2014 #50

LOL, Taking an ass kicking on this one! nt Logical Mar 2014 #65

To me, the movie "Her" is a horror story. Sounds like a lot of people here can't wait for it to FSogol Mar 2014 #67

Do humans with nicotine addiction count? jberryhill Mar 2014 #111

Huh? FSogol Mar 2014 #118

I know, right?! lol ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #74

Did you make pipi_k Mar 2014 #123

No. ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #124

I worked with pipi_k Mar 2014 #125

Yeah, the pay sucks, but the job is great. ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #141

Sucky pay... pipi_k Mar 2014 #143

Could've been worse jberryhill Mar 2014 #110

It annoys me, but so does the government passing regulations against things just because hughee99 Mar 2014 #51

I think it would be fine if they restricted it for parts of longer flights, when they dim the lights bettyellen Mar 2014 #58

Anyone who has used trains for business travel... HuckleB Mar 2014 #70

First thought, was.... "don't get in the airplane". raven mad Mar 2014 #76

I'm sorry man but with all that's going on SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #78

That's an interesting take on what flying requires..... jberryhill Mar 2014 #84

Here's a good article on the technical difficulties of high altitude cell use TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #79

I can attest to this Major Nikon Mar 2014 #91

Lovely bluestateguy Mar 2014 #80

What surprises me about people talking loudly on their cell phone mokawanis Mar 2014 #85

When I took light rail to work shanti Mar 2014 #112

It's partly an engineering issue jberryhill Mar 2014 #113

I don't mean to be flippant but... KauaiK Mar 2014 #115

Why should someone be expected to plug their ears for hours... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #122

....Because it's easier than being furious. KauaiK Mar 2014 #126

Who's furious? WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #133

I would say that pipi_k Mar 2014 #127

Right. Construction sites, air shows, busy cities... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #134

Oh. You're one of those people who read with their light on when I want to sleep joeglow3 Mar 2014 #140

Put this on and quit yer bitchin'. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #142

Fucking cell phones sibelian Mar 2014 #117

It's like a thread full of people who don't fly. This will be monitized by the airlines both Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #136