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Tommy_Carcetti

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16. Here's the thing about conspiracy theorists:
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:01 PM
Mar 2014

They need to actually prove, not just speculate.

If they want to challenge the generally accepted account of events by the mainstream, fine. But until they actually prove it with solid, irrefutable evidence, they don't get to claim equal status with the generally accepted mainstream account of events. That's not how it works.

Right now, all accounts are that Ukrainians, fed up with corruption in their government and increased Russian meddling, engaged in mass protests on their own accord. These protests began peacefully but after the government cracked down on the protests, violence escalated to the point where numerous protests were shot dead. Ultimately, President Yanukovych chose to flee Ukraine, thus resulting in the Rada removing him from power and appointing an interim government (lead not by ultranationalists and neo-nazis but by centrists) until elections could be held later this year.

Now, if you want to challenge those generally accepted account of events, fine, but it will take more than "journalistic pieces" sourced by the likes of Voice of Russia and Paul Craig Roberts to convince most people.

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I don't understand the "and the one that Russia is promoting right now" statement. Russia okaawhatever Mar 2014 #1
they kind of hedged on the agreement at the time--they didn't sign it and then geek tragedy Mar 2014 #3
Thanks for the perspective Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #2
Except for that 5 billion the US spent to destabilize the Ukraine... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #4
there has been deep division and discontent in the Ukraine for over a decade now geek tragedy Mar 2014 #5
Of course they were, after the US arranged the Orange Revolution... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #6
Justin Raimondo is a liberatarian nutjob. The claim that the US "arranged the Orange Revolution" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #7
Claiming victory with no proof eh? TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #8
"we also both know it's entirely more than likely that the story is true" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #9
So your conceding the logic to my side then... fine, Ill take it. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #10
besides the fact it's all implausible speculation that would geek tragedy Mar 2014 #11
So you say... with your implausible speculation... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #12
No, I'm saying that the theory that the Ukrainians are mindless puppets geek tragedy Mar 2014 #13
It doesn't matter at this point... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #14
Don't flatter yourself. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #15
Here's the thing about conspiracy theorists: Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #16
It's not about conspiracy theory, its about logic. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #25
Main stream media is not worth a bucket of warm spit bemildred Mar 2014 #27
Jeez. How can you possibly think the US can stage a revolution BainsBane Mar 2014 #30
You don't read much history do you? TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #32
No, I don't read much history BainsBane Mar 2014 #33
Look at the quote and you will see that it is questionable karynnj Mar 2014 #23
Jesus, Fella! You Might As Well Cite Alex Jones.... The Magistrate Mar 2014 #24
He still had the army and security forces behind him. If he had simply stayed in Kiev, pampango Mar 2014 #17
I guess Mark Sanford was the victim of a coup geek tragedy Mar 2014 #18
Indeed. joshcryer Mar 2014 #29
The basic narrative of "It was all a coup!" Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #19
+ 12 billion. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #20
I had to post it as an OP. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #21
Great post treestar Mar 2014 #22
Finally, some sense to this head-scratch KansDem Mar 2014 #26
We raged, marched, and protested against bush, didn't we? Cha Mar 2014 #31
I think I may have found footage Sobriquet Mar 2014 #28
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