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52. Very true. Brick and mortar e-cig stores don't usually sell the Njoy or Blu brands.

Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:16 PM

Mar 2014

They usually sell batteries, kits, liquid, cartomizers, and accessories and the vast majority of e-cig juices are made either in house or by other smaller distributors.

The stuff you might see at Walgreens or Wal-mart is more likely to be something owned by the large tobacco companies.

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People who want to ban e-cigs are the useful idiots of Big Tobacco [View all] ButterflyBlood Mar 2014 OP

Not idiots. Assholes. leeroysphitz Mar 2014 #1

but it looks like people are smoking d_r Mar 2014 #2

There's always a certain type of people who yearn to be the hall monitors of life. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #3

There are always some people who want to be able to breathe clean air. pnwmom Mar 2014 #96

They Breath Clean Air In Riverside California ??? - Who Knew ??? WillyT Mar 2014 #107

In that case we need to ban cell phone Live and Learn Mar 2014 #203

Indeed, exhaust from automobiles is so deadly Mariana Mar 2014 #204

No one drives around with a car exhaust hanging out of their mouth. pnwmom Mar 2014 #206

Oh The children Politicalboi Mar 2014 #256

+1 Except that they are worse than busy bodies. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #263

Your argument would apply to regular cigarettes, too. And you lost that long ago. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #205

I lost what long ago? Freedom? Live and Learn Mar 2014 #254

I don't know if it's that simple sharp_stick Mar 2014 #4

But they will only get the beginners Revanchist Mar 2014 #97

They simply bought out other companies and Live and Learn Mar 2014 #264

maybe we don't want nicotine addicts spewing toxic vapors into our air supply. there is a better way msongs Mar 2014 #5

"toxic vapors into our air supply" snooper2 Mar 2014 #6

DEPLOY THE CAUSTIC VAPORS! ReverendDeuce Mar 2014 #62

cigarette smoke isn't toxic? dlwickham Mar 2014 #201

Why no, it's not Politicalboi Mar 2014 #257

People who vape exclusively don't smoke cigarettes anymore. That's the very definition of Demit Mar 2014 #12

It's not good enough for people to quit smoking. Mariana Mar 2014 #16

Oh, I know that. I just thought he/she/it should be provided with a helpful fact. Demit Mar 2014 #26

Fortunately, in my experience Mariana Mar 2014 #28

So not wanting to breathe in nicotine from someone else's mouth makes me a "crazy?" yellowcanine Mar 2014 #174

I don't want to breathe ANYTHING from someone else's mouth. Demit Mar 2014 #182

According to a study done concerning air quality in vaping. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #183

Correctimundo. Also let's not forget, it's not the nicotine that killed so many smokers anyway. Demit Mar 2014 #184

Yes, dang those "complainers" who would like to breathe clean air! yellowcanine Mar 2014 #186

I'm exposed to perfume, farts, urine, cleaning supply odors, scented candles, air fresheners.... Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #189

"sitting in the park puffing an e-cig" If only it were just that. But it isn't and I think you yellowcanine Mar 2014 #195

Lol, and where is this Shangri-La that has "clean air"? Demit Mar 2014 #198

Let me get this straight - because the air is polluted we should deliberately pollute it more? yellowcanine Mar 2014 #200

For the sake of argument, if it were proven that e-cigs produce less pollution than perfume en toto. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #202

Oh for fuck's sake. Demit Mar 2014 #211

Epic! Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #215

Red herrings and cursing don't make your argument any stronger. yellowcanine Mar 2014 #226

I shouldn't have called you a ninny? Demit Mar 2014 #247

According to a French environmental study, a two hour barbecue = 220,000 cigarettes... Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #252

Yeah well you brought up the strawman "puffing in the park." Way to shoot it down! yellowcanine Mar 2014 #298

L.A. brought up the 'puffing in the park'. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #299

Yeah well you repeated it in response to my post regarding clean air. yellowcanine Mar 2014 #307

"I'll amend that to big fat ninny." Wow, aren't you the clever debater?NT yellowcanine Mar 2014 #297

Yeah, since you WOULD be inhaling clean air next to a vaper sibelian Mar 2014 #249

"a study" ??? You have to do better than that. yellowcanine Mar 2014 #185

Have a link. On me. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #187

Thanks. Take a gander at the study sponsor's web page. yellowcanine Mar 2014 #193

Read this one then. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #194

Sorry - I don't play Gish Gallop. You gave your citation and it turned out tainted. yellowcanine Mar 2014 #197

Fine, but don't pretend you know the facts if you don't do your research. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #199

The study you cited was a selective review of the topic. A proper review cites all of the studies, yellowcanine Mar 2014 #223

LOL. beevul Mar 2014 #271

CASAA appears to be a front group for the tobacco industry. yellowcanine Mar 2014 #294

To those who see "big tobacco" hiding behind every twig and branch, I suppose so. beevul Mar 2014 #295

At these quantities, nicotine is not a danger to health... Mariana Mar 2014 #190

It is the very heart and soul of the Puritanism. Bonobo Mar 2014 #69

We can't have that!!! Gemini Cat Mar 2014 #93

Good grief! HappyMe Mar 2014 #20

+1 But that won't get any replies from the 'agendized' here. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #265

False Choice. Clean outside air and clean indoor air are not mutually exclusive. yellowcanine Mar 2014 #308

LOL. What a bizarre and irrational response. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #100

Yes, don't they know nicotine is an essential nutrient? yellowcanine Mar 2014 #175

OK, you're ignored. sibelian Mar 2014 #250

There needs to be research to make sure nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #7

I don't think most of them are afraid. Mariana Mar 2014 #11

I am not sure of that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #14

No, no. I'm not an ex-smoker. aquart Mar 2014 #27

You are talking about smokers. Vapers are not smokers. Demit Mar 2014 #36

Except that some of the manufacturers don't see it that way. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #98

They don't expect you to try to light it up & smoke it. Demit Mar 2014 #112

You are complaining about calling it smoking - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #213

Some do. Some don't. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #216

I wasn't suggesting they all do - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #218

Selfish, smug drug addicts? Live and Learn Mar 2014 #267

I enjoy riding my motorcycle/bicycle without a helmet and driving my car without seatbelt Bandit Mar 2014 #15

We're talking about people who are quitting smoking Mariana Mar 2014 #17

We are talking about people engaging in reckless behavior, ie. putting poison in their body Bandit Mar 2014 #18

So you are all good with legislating HappyMe Mar 2014 #19

Are you good with helmet laws and seatbelt laws? Bandit Mar 2014 #21

Those laws are okay. HappyMe Mar 2014 #22

If you are going to legislate against reckless behavior that affects only that oerson then Bandit Mar 2014 #23

I'm okay with no smoking in HappyMe Mar 2014 #24

Exactly...The same as from nicotine poisoning or any other reckless behavior Bandit Mar 2014 #33

Oh okay! HappyMe Mar 2014 #34

Do you think it's better if they continue to smoke? Mariana Mar 2014 #25

I can think of quite a few RX drugs that are more serious poison... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #166

We're talking about e-cigs being marketed to teens, pnwmom Mar 2014 #32

I haven't seen them marketed to teens. Mariana Mar 2014 #35

Bubble gum flavors, etc. pnwmom Mar 2014 #37

Your issue is with the flavors? Mariana Mar 2014 #42

Adults who are already addicted to tar and nicotine cigarettes pnwmom Mar 2014 #44

There is no such thing as being addicted to tar. Demit Mar 2014 #48

Maybe thinking of "black tar heroin"? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #51

I didn't say there was. I said tar and nicotine cigarettes. pnwmom Mar 2014 #55

Your carpet is giving off formaldehyde jberryhill Mar 2014 #157

before you get all worried what might or might not be in the vapor Tyhanna Mar 2014 #160

I know more than a few adults who switched that prefer fruity/candy e-cigs to tobacco flavors. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #49

Exactly energumen Mar 2014 #67

its very obvious you have no understanding..... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #148

I'm an adult, I vape pretty much only fruit flavors/sweet. Kurska Mar 2014 #165

You really have no idea what you are talking about. nt Live and Learn Mar 2014 #268

Since you are an adult, you can choose between grass clippings, wood chips, and dirt flavors. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #45

Sweet and fruity flavors are already banned from tobacco products. pnwmom Mar 2014 #60

Why? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #65

Great! You go out and do that. pnwmom Mar 2014 #68

I don't have to. I can go the local vape store and buy what flavors I want. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #72

No, not really. energumen Mar 2014 #66

Not in cigarillos Revanchist Mar 2014 #105

Apparently Swisher Sweets don't exist. tridim Mar 2014 #139

Here you go: Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #94

Uh, Ms Toad, those are methods ALL OF ADVERTISING employs. Demit Mar 2014 #177

Fired like the ad team which came up with Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #207

I just wish they'd quit marketing life insurance to kids jberryhill Mar 2014 #210

Last time I checked, Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #212

Alcohol is addictive and toxic. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #220

And, to avoid being externally regulated - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #224

Pharmaceuticals are heavily regulated jberryhill Mar 2014 #225

And available by prescription only. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #228

Could you provide an example of e-cig retailers marketing to youth? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #229

Joe Camel's creator owns an e-cig company Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #232

So Big Tobacco which has 1% share of the e-cig market may or may not be targeting youth. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #235

Which is the exact thing which was said about the cigarette advertising decades ago. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #244

You appear to operating under a misconception. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #248

Don't forget.... Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #214

As I recall, Joe Camel did not result in an increase in young people smoking. Demit Mar 2014 #234

Joe Camel and smoking Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #239

tl;dr Demit Mar 2014 #240

Nice of you to announce that your only interest in the is superficial. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #242

no, i scanned it. you're just repeating yourself. Demit Mar 2014 #251

4 lines of it was a repeat of a response in a different sub-thread. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #253

Good lord, do YOU need an education!! Cigarettes are FAR more expensive. Demit Mar 2014 #41

Cigarettes are not cheaper than e-cigs. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #43

Cigarettes are not cheaper than ecigs. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #76

E-cigs are cheaper only if you consume a significant quantity of them. pnwmom Mar 2014 #95

You are wrong, dead wrong. Kurska Mar 2014 #167

Cheaper Cigarettes? Revanchist Mar 2014 #103

Cheaper? I'm down below roll your own costs now and still trending down TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #113

"...fucking hostile and contemptible in it's sweeping dishonesty." justabob Mar 2014 #282

cheaper cigs?...are you serious? backwoodsbob Mar 2014 #219

False choice. E-cigs are not the only alternative to smoking. yellowcanine Mar 2014 #176

Second hand nicotine? Desperate silliness more religion than science. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #291

The difference with this is that WE pay if you have an accident alarimer Mar 2014 #75

+1 And exactly! Live and Learn Mar 2014 #266

You think research would make a bit of difference? JoeyT Mar 2014 #80

I feel the same way about methadone haters, those useful idiots for big heroin. Orrex Mar 2014 #8

It sure makes it clear Mariana Mar 2014 #9

Don't forget Big Pharma, with their expensive nic replacement therapies Demit Mar 2014 #10

Those things are such a ripoff. Mariana Mar 2014 #13

Big Tobacco has already moved into the e-cig market. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #31

Yes they have. But there are plenty of mom & pop businesses too. Demit Mar 2014 #46

I have done enough research to know pnwmom Mar 2014 #57

You know what you should do? Read the comments at that link. Demit Mar 2014 #71

I'm not concerned about the adults using it. I'm concerned about teens who haven't pnwmom Mar 2014 #74

Vaping is NOT more expensive than cigarettes. What on earth is wrong with you? Demit Mar 2014 #79

It requires much more of an investment to start, that only "pays off" when you start pnwmom Mar 2014 #83

I am a vaper. I don't think you are, right? Here's what it costs: Demit Mar 2014 #84

Vapor gets inhaled into the lungs, just as smoke does. pnwmom Mar 2014 #92

Holy moly. We've gone from 10 year olds to crawling babies now. Demit Mar 2014 #108

From the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, not that you will care. pnwmom Mar 2014 #138

wow they should know... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #161

Do you cook food in your house? jberryhill Mar 2014 #159

It is being marketed as smoking. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #104

you need to have burning tobacco to have smoke right? Everyone knows that.... N/T Tyhanna Mar 2014 #150

I was responding to a very specific complaint: Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #209

Does that change reality? Mariana Mar 2014 #172

It doesn't change reality - but I was responding to : Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #208

Perhaps you should use the terms that reflect reality Mariana Mar 2014 #221

Have you seen me refer to using e-cigs as smoking? Ever? Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #227

You're being disingenuous here. I'm the 'advocate' who said "Stop calling it smoking, Demit Mar 2014 #238

If you are bothered by people calling it smoking, Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #241

No. When people hear the correct term used again & again (vaping) Demit Mar 2014 #245

Correct from your perspective, Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #246

In the kitchen too! jberryhill Mar 2014 #301

Only if you plan on putting it in something which looks like a cigarette Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #303

That's easy, then. Mariana Mar 2014 #305

You're also probably not gonna put that stuff in your (non) pipe and smoke it anyway n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #306

e-cigs are not smoking. n/t ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #90

I have in my hand right now a Rejuve brand individual e-cig. It cost $4.99. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #173

Vaping is way cheaper for me!!! Michigan-Arizona Mar 2014 #304

Its just great when someone that knows nothing of what they speak... beevul Mar 2014 #126

Ding ding ding! rainbow4321 Mar 2014 #78

I can only add this: SheilaT Mar 2014 #29

It is not a form of smoking in any way. Mariana Mar 2014 #38

Same here, I loathe smoking because it has always made me so sick. Warpy Mar 2014 #40

People who don't realize that Big Tobacco has already moved into e-cigs pnwmom Mar 2014 #30

This falls in line with my thoughts on the OP... pacalo Mar 2014 #64

Exactly. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #70

Another false perception. beevul Mar 2014 #129

+1 But don't expect facts to change people's agendas. nt Live and Learn Mar 2014 #255

I'd love to follow the money, too Warpy Mar 2014 #39

A big issue is that its out of their control energumen Mar 2014 #59

You are the useful idiot of big tobacco taught_me_patience Mar 2014 #47

There are many small business owners selling vaping products. Demit Mar 2014 #50

Very true. Brick and mortar e-cig stores don't usually sell the Njoy or Blu brands. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #52

Blu and NJoy comprise nearly 70% of the market taught_me_patience Mar 2014 #53

Specialized Statistics energumen Mar 2014 #56

That's the convenience store market, not the entire market Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #58

Did you notice the header says "In U.S. Convenience stores"? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #61

that is only the cig look alike market....... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #151

"sales in U.S. convenience stores" is not "the market" jberryhill Mar 2014 #302

No. Just no. beevul Mar 2014 #130

Big tobacco Tyhanna Mar 2014 #156

Control energumen Mar 2014 #54

DU is home to authoritarians of all stripes. We have drone killing apologists, war-mongerers, Romulox Mar 2014 #101

Would you mind telling me how the 'nicotine' used in e-cigarettes is manufactured and by whom. Tikki Mar 2014 #63

E cigs were just classified as a tobacco product at my work place. Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #73

I've been vaping for 2 months rainbow4321 Mar 2014 #77

"swaying the low-information public into thinking vaping is just as bad as smoking." yellowcanine Mar 2014 #179

It was NEVER about cancer from secondhand smoke Mariana Mar 2014 #191

Where does the nicotine in e-cigs come from? B Calm Mar 2014 #81

Tobacco pharm antiquie Mar 2014 #109

Tomato and eggplant leaves. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #230

You truly could be no more wrong. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #82

The independent distributors are taking business away from Big Tobacco. Demit Mar 2014 #85

No they aren't. You will find no research to back up your claim. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #86

My receipts for vaping supplies are my research. Demit Mar 2014 #88

That is too funny. Facts don't matter. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #89

You moved the goalposts there. Demit Mar 2014 #102

I have moved absolutley no goalposts. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #110

You moved the goalposts. Demit Mar 2014 #114

"The independent distributors are taking business away from Big Tobacco." NCTraveler Mar 2014 #117

If you would have said... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #120

If I had said that it would've been incoherent. Demit Mar 2014 #171

Oh, I think at this point I'd give more weight Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #128

OK. Show me the facts from users. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #132

If you want facts from users, go to ECF. beevul Mar 2014 #135

This is getting too good. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #137

Reading a huge forum of users provides the only facts there are. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #145

I'm a non-smoker, and tried e-cigs for a little over a month bhikkhu Mar 2014 #153

Thanks for your story, Its good to hear. n/t Tyhanna Mar 2014 #163

Completely false. beevul Mar 2014 #134

I think you make a fair point with the phrase "leading the way". NCTraveler Mar 2014 #141

Unless the market consist largely of beginning vapers... beevul Mar 2014 #146

I see no numbers in your claim either. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #125

I was not the original one making the claim. My points are accurate. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #131

Somebody has to poll consumers to determine market share. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #154

One company holds the overwhelming majority of the market share with e cigs. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #87

All of Big Tobacco combined has less than 1% of the ecig market. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #164

See? That proves that e-cigs support big tobacco! Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #192

Can you show evidence of independent shops selling to children? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #133

If you can point me to where I said they are selling to children at the counter. nt NCTraveler Mar 2014 #136

How would independents without retail shops advertise to children? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #152

Mmmm, right. That's why Big Tobacco is behind the major advertising campaigns Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #91

But the majority of ecig vendors do not advertise. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #116

It is well documented that nicotine is harmful. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #217

How much nicotine is harmful? Mariana Mar 2014 #233

Well - when people who are addicted to nicotine can satisfy the urge with tomatoes, Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #259

Nicotine is a brain stimulant, like coffee. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #281

Just like cigarettes aren't sold to minors, Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #284

What you're saying is simply not factual. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #287

My information actually is factual Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #290

Do you know for a fact they included independent sellers in their market research? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #292

There are three big tobacco e-cig vendors, and their market share does not equal 100% Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #293

I really doubt that it will play out that way. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #258

In 16 weeks, one tobacco company obtained a market share of 55% Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #260

That's "retail market share" but most of the market is not retail. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #261

I have tried to explain this, but my words fall on deaf ears and closed minds. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #262

I remain shocked, as I was on first hearing it Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #277

That is not a realistic projection - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #272

It's been working that way thus far with ecigs. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #274

Give me a single example Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #275

You like a particular wine, you find a better source. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #279

Not even close Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #283

Nope. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #286

DU is lousy with Drug Warriors and other forms of authoritarians. Romulox Mar 2014 #99

I see nothing wrong with e-cigs. If they are risky, then that should be known. I'm fed up with RKP5637 Mar 2014 #106

Not hall monitors�you are welcome to smoke, vap, toke* in your own hall�just not mine or others. Tikki Mar 2014 #111

Yep, agree, that's a good way of summarizing it! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #115

Please don't use perfume, air fresheners, oven spray, bug spray, drive a car, ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #118

If it becomes bothersome, most establishments have the right to refuse service. Tikki Mar 2014 #121

...in the land of SMOG... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #122

Apparently not many e-gigarettes help people quit the 'nicotine' addiction. Tikki Mar 2014 #124

It does not matter what I "know" about your cleaning habits. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #142

Then why even mention it. Tikki Mar 2014 #144

Spraying our air with noxious cleaning products surely does ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #149

Vap away from those who are young and impressionable, don't fool yourself that you are not addicted Tikki Mar 2014 #169

I don't smoke. I don't vape... as I stated up above. I'm just not a jerk. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #231

And you get this perception where exactly? N/T beevul Mar 2014 #147

That's exactly what it is. Mariana Mar 2014 #178

Driving a car in particular. Mariana Mar 2014 #123

Streets, parks, and beaches in one of the most toxically polluted environments in ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #143

Yeah I am getting sick and tired of my office mate spraying oven cleaner around! yellowcanine Mar 2014 #180

Yes, because that happens... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #222

BIG TOBACCO OWNS e-cigs! graywarrior Mar 2014 #119

Your link says Big T is less than 1% of the market. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #162

Don't take my word for it graywarrior Mar 2014 #170

They're on the wrong side of history. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #127

E-Cigs = Less Taxes KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #140

I fail to see a problem Travis_0004 Mar 2014 #276

A Mixed Bag... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #285

Electronic cigarette explodes in man's mouth, causes serious injuries TheNutcracker Mar 2014 #155

very old story.... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #158

Chair explodes Kurska Mar 2014 #168

There simply has not been enuf research on whether chairs are safe. Demit Mar 2014 #181

I don't have a problem with chairs Kurska Mar 2014 #188

LOL! Demit Mar 2014 #196

Hey, people can get addicted to sitting, you know! LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #269

Chairs are a gateway drug to couches. -nt Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #278

Here's my baby Oilwellian Mar 2014 #236

That poor puppy... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #237

LOL Oilwellian Mar 2014 #243

But it just isn't fair! Kurska Mar 2014 #289

Put simply, big tobacco doesn't understand the market as a whole... beevul Mar 2014 #270

Exactly. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #288

They should be the future of smoking. gulliver Mar 2014 #273

How much money does the tobacco industry have invested in the e-cigs. randr Mar 2014 #280

The entire defense of e-cigarettes is that they're not as bad as regular ones. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #296

Bullshit. Atman Mar 2014 #300