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57. "Do you even know what capital is?"

Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:24 PM

Mar 2014

A lot of people here have a problem with not knowing what capital is...it's one of the basic stumbling blocks to discussing any alternatives.

Sorry to bust into the subthread, just wanted to stick in the observation.

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Capitalism: what's that? [View all] RobertEarl Mar 2014 OP

ABCDEFGHIJKLMONPQRSTUVWXYZ! benld74 Mar 2014 #1

. frwrfpos Mar 2014 #84

Having clamshells in your pouch doesn't make one a clamshelltalist NoOneMan Mar 2014 #2

Your example is extreme capitalism RobertEarl Mar 2014 #3

Huh? Its just the capitalism illustrated. Its private ownership of the means of production. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #5

Sharecroppers RobertEarl Mar 2014 #10

No. No. No. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #13

I am exploring, yes RobertEarl Mar 2014 #19

"the way capital is used in our society to gain advantage over others" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #22

Yep RobertEarl Mar 2014 #24

What keeps capitalism going is the ability of individuals, companies, or states to acquire capital. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #47

Yep RobertEarl Mar 2014 #49

That's impossible. You can't "get rid" of capital. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #51

Capital is required to produce goods? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #53

Yes, capital is absolutely required to produce goods. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #54

Purchase is not produce RobertEarl Mar 2014 #56

Capital is not the money in your wallet. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #58

At this point, you're just embarrassing yourself, nuclear dem RobertEarl Mar 2014 #73

Eh, 5/10 NuclearDem Mar 2014 #79

"Do you even know what capital is?" Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #57

Ok to burst in RobertEarl Mar 2014 #59

Capital is not money. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #60

Capital is defined as: Money RobertEarl Mar 2014 #61

That's not *the* definition. You deliberately left off all the other definitions Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #64

Huh? It is the definition RobertEarl Mar 2014 #67

Lets hear the 'others' RobertEarl Mar 2014 #68

Too bad you got locked out of your other thread. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #70

Yeah, I wasn't even as rude as you are RobertEarl Mar 2014 #71

At this point, you're just embarrassing yourself, starry RobertEarl Mar 2014 #72

ME??? Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #74

Yes you. You are very rude RobertEarl Mar 2014 #77

PROTIP: When discussing complex economics issues, NuclearDem Mar 2014 #65

"So many have no f'n clue." zappaman Mar 2014 #66

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2014 #30

YEP. But people right here on DU will ignore the FACT that we live Rex Mar 2014 #4

And another thing the "well-regulated" defenders like to ignore is... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #7

Well they hate me, because I keep saying we live in a plutocracy now. Rex Mar 2014 #8

America is built on the myth that everyone can become uber-rich, Maedhros Mar 2014 #27

That is wrong RobertEarl Mar 2014 #78

It's just an abstract form of bartering. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #6

That's not true. Capitalism is distinct and different from bartering or the concept of "capital" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #9

Yes, but it made it easier to compare things. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #11

Gug. I wonder if the Romans used those shiny things they called coins for that... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #14

Money is just a bunch of tokens. We can decide how to distribute them. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #16

Capitalism is the system that decides a non-laboring descendant of a robber baron... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #23

True RobertEarl Mar 2014 #12

Why are you equating the concept of capital and capitalism? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #15

Capital and capitalism? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #17

The "hard currencies" existed because there was an industrial society to back them up. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #18

That is true RobertEarl Mar 2014 #21

I don't think it is infinite. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #25

I am talking about the belief in capital RobertEarl Mar 2014 #32

Uh, no I don't. There was capital during feudalism in the middle ages NoOneMan Mar 2014 #20

It depends. raven mad Mar 2014 #26

You do know that is just steam in the last photo? former9thward Mar 2014 #31

Yeah, I do, I just couldn't find one that was extremely illustrative. raven mad Mar 2014 #34

I have to apologize, raven RobertEarl Mar 2014 #35

No, the first was Exxon's fuckup with the Valdez - raven mad Mar 2014 #36

You're using Chernobyl in an effort to explain Capitalism? OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #62

Capitalism has 2 opposite definitions. mylye2222 Mar 2014 #28

It is the same tool, used differently RobertEarl Mar 2014 #37

All of society is a human construct BainsBane Mar 2014 #29

Workers who are self-employed are connected RobertEarl Mar 2014 #39

Capitalism is not a "means of trade." NuclearDem Mar 2014 #48

The economy is capitalist BainsBane Mar 2014 #52

Right RobertEarl Mar 2014 #55

Humans are entirely natural Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #33

The dollars in your wallet are not capital. Dollars concentrated in the millions are capital. rug Mar 2014 #38

See the disconnect? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #40

Capitalism is the private acquisition and accumulation of the means of production. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #41

Marx spent decades writing 201,411 words on this subject DireStrike Mar 2014 #42

You understand Marx? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #43

Good to see true scholarly effort in this modern era. DireStrike Mar 2014 #44

Like your schlolarly effort? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #45

I am nonplussed, nonplussed I tell you. DireStrike Mar 2014 #46

You seem stunned. RobertEarl Mar 2014 #50

Only on the internet would one find this: OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #63

Capital means: Money. Look. It. Up. RobertEarl Mar 2014 #69

So...environment means the world around us...we all have world around us so HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #75

You deny we have a capitalist system? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #76

No, but I deny living within those systems makes a person a capitalist HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #80

You are one of the few RobertEarl Mar 2014 #81

For the billionth time, not all money is capital, and not all capital is money. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #82

So, are you a socialist, or a communist? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #85

I have a violin frwrfpos Mar 2014 #83

Yes RobertEarl Mar 2014 #86

I will answer your question frwrfpos Mar 2014 #87

Yes. It is a belief RobertEarl Mar 2014 #88

Robert Earl frwrfpos Mar 2014 #89

There you go again RobertEarl Mar 2014 #90