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210. How does pointing out that the US cannot expect to be taken seriously when it says

Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:38 AM

Mar 2014

something like that, have anything to do with how someone might feel about Kerry? Has it occurred to you that people can totally LOVE someone, and still point out a mistake they have made? In fact that IS what you do when you love your country or someone in your personal life, you try to stop them from doing foolish and harmful things.

We, because we let the war criminals go free, treat them like elder statesmen and women, have lost the moral authority to lecture anyone else on 'illegal invasions'. Anyone who cared about Kerry would advised him not to do so, to find some other way to approach the subject. There's nothing worse than watching someone you respect put themselves in an untenable position.

Of course if we started the long overdue prosecutions of the war criminals, THEN we could lecture others and tell the world we do not condone invasions of other countries. But unfortunately that hasn't happened, although anyone who really cares about this country will keep on demanding justice for all the victims they are responsible for. Anyone who is only interested in politics, will continue to try to explain why the rule of law does not apply to them.

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And Then Kerry Said... [View all] WilliamPitt Mar 2014 OP

I wonder if the Georges Bush laughed. grasswire Mar 2014 #1

To be fair ... 1000words Mar 2014 #2

I see what you did there. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #165

He said it WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #4

"It seems he's against it after being for it before being against it. " ProSense Mar 2014 #7

there are photos to take, wood to chop. life in the New Hampshire wilderness has its challenges Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #24

What was Kerry's position on Bush's illegal invasion based on trumped up lies? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #174

Exactly what I thought.. n/t ReRe Mar 2014 #54

Not real original, and very RW. wisteria Mar 2014 #86

It's so complex, that a decade later we still can't decide why we invaded. progressoid Mar 2014 #103

...but if you watch Rachel tonight, at 9 pm you'll find out more about this. n/t Mira Mar 2014 #168

kerry voted for it. He knew more than me who sits in alaska with a modem yet he1 roguevalley Mar 2014 #169

I'm so seconding every word you are saying! Mira Mar 2014 #173

Impossible for Vietnam Vet Kerry, but not DC Insider Vet Kerry. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #114

Kerry has been for yaers an DC OUTSIDER. mylye2222 Mar 2014 #199

Sow the wind.... n/t Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #3

So Putin laughing at this is sad? ProSense Mar 2014 #5

Are you seriously contending you don't understand the intent of the meme? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #8

I understand RW handwringing. Is that what you mean? ProSense Mar 2014 #9

I think we all know you understand unwavering party allegiance pretty well. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #21

No, ProSense Mar 2014 #41

I trust Kerry is forwarding this President's position. That is his job. nt babylonsister Mar 2014 #6

Wow. Someone gets it. MADem Mar 2014 #129

And some don't understand irony I guess. cui bono Mar 2014 #178

but William Rivers Pitt said; dionysus Mar 2014 #10

so he was for him before he was against him ................ JI7 Mar 2014 #11

yep. a windsock always knows which way to blow, apparently... dionysus Mar 2014 #12

!! Number23 Mar 2014 #15

Man, that sucked. Aldo Leopold Mar 2014 #39

Yes. We'll never know how much damage could have been undone or spared ourselves from altogether Number23 Mar 2014 #45

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind... sheshe2 Mar 2014 #100

Because some people actually can reevaluate. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #115

Well... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #20

I was very disappointed when the Democratic Party.... ReRe Mar 2014 #68

Why? Try naming another person in DC who investigated and exposed more govt. corruption than Kerry blm Mar 2014 #158

I had no problem with John Kerry... ReRe Mar 2014 #176

With TeamBush and TeamClinton working against you, it's amazing that Bush STILL had to steal it, blm Mar 2014 #177

Not sure where you're going there, but... ReRe Mar 2014 #179

All kinds of beauties out there to fit any occasion: Whisp Mar 2014 #154

.... greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #213

Well done...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #13

Or this: ProSense Mar 2014 #14

Critical thinking tends to do that. rug Mar 2014 #32

Or disingenuous crapping. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #33

You mean disingenous sniping. rug Mar 2014 #34

No, I meant crapping. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #37

Then you missed. rug Mar 2014 #38

I thought you meant fapping. Aldo Leopold Mar 2014 #42

lots of disengenuous fapping takes place on DU for sure Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #46

More in some places than others. rug Mar 2014 #50

I thought all fapping on DU... TeeYiYi Mar 2014 #214

How does pointing out that the US cannot expect to be taken seriously when it says sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #210

How is this even relevant to what he posted above? 1awake Mar 2014 #16

LOL. okay. nt dionysus Mar 2014 #18

Sorry, I know it's Pitt and some people love targeting him. Carry on. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #19

Kerry never delivered this message-how was that relevant to begin with? nt babylonsister Mar 2014 #36

I have no idea babylonsister... I found it a poor attempt. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #40

5 star find, dionysus. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #25

i just did a 3 word site search and picked one link.... i'm sure there's a ton more.... dionysus Mar 2014 #31

regardless. fits well with the thread. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #35

That was before Kerry worked for Obama. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #30

You could quote the rest of it WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #47

i provided the link Will. pointing out your glaring hypocrisy trying to score points with the crowd dionysus Mar 2014 #87

Who did you vote for in 2004? WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #96

Dean primary, Kerry in the general. but i'm not the one dissing the guy you were a hardcore dionysus Mar 2014 #98

I thought it was an ironic, amusing meme. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #104

might as well call it a day then, old timer... dionysus Mar 2014 #106

We all have our crosses to bear. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #109

i highly doubt kerry will make that mistake again, and i doubt you think so either. either way, dionysus Mar 2014 #111

Straw WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #112

+1 I agree entirely with your analysis. MADem Mar 2014 #131

Dude, now you lost me. merrily Mar 2014 #89

"His apologizing for a war vote is totally inadequate." WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #97

Not piling at all on regarding your OP. merrily Mar 2014 #105

Wait, ProSense Mar 2014 #135

Candidate Kerry disapponted more than a few...(Ohio).... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #49

Is your position that praising a politician in 2003 means you cannot criticize him in 2014? merrily Mar 2014 #56

I think the position is that OP praised even after Iraq vote, but is now mad at diplomacy. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #61

He wanted Kerry to run in 2008: ProSense Mar 2014 #69

So? merrily Mar 2014 #80

Did I respond to you? If you want to dismiss that fact, then ignore comments not directed at you. nt ProSense Mar 2014 #82

Why would I ignore your comment? merrily Mar 2014 #92

P.S. Not dismissing any fact, just trying to understand. merrily Mar 2014 #107

The OP doesn't seem "mad at diplomacy" to me. Seems like a comment on merrily Mar 2014 #70

So you agree that the mockery could go both ways? JaneyVee Mar 2014 #77

Straw man merrily Mar 2014 #79

Whoa! bravenak Mar 2014 #57

Make that a 30 year liberal voting record now. But yeah, lets just mock him instead. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #67

See post #47 WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #75

Talk about hit and run. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #123

Derp. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #128

why is that such a surprise? stupidicus Mar 2014 #76

See post #47. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #85

See post 14 n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #91

Time for a musical interlude.... MADem Mar 2014 #130

What's the controversy? sibelian Mar 2014 #172

The Irony, it Hurts! Martin Eden Mar 2014 #17

Without a doubt, we're paying for Dubya's stupidity.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #22

...reap the *damned* whirlwind. n/t Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #23

Oh are you going to get in trouble for that! JVS Mar 2014 #26

The hypocrisy is astounding. Rec'd n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #27

"you must lead a sad life" Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #28

I have a frowny always. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #83

or are optimists. those still exist. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #93

OK. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #99

Thanks for sharing. She's a cute one. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #102

Fie on frownies! merrily Mar 2014 #160

Introducing a clip of Kerry's speech, Jon Stewart said, merrily Mar 2014 #29

Rachel Maddow described it as a "spit-take moment" the other night. bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #43

why is everyone acting like Kerry was a mouth piece fore Bush? Seems in 2004 Kerry was Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #48

This? Hissyspit Mar 2014 #53

yep. everyone forgets all of the things in play at that point Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #55

saddam was an asshole, but not a danger to us. putin is an asshole, but not dangerous to us. dionysus Mar 2014 #119

I haven't forgotten anything, and I knew it was all bullshit. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #122

Most of us here knew it was bullshit. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #132

Because they have a narrative to maintain. Rex Mar 2014 #137

23 Senators voted against authorizing Bush to invade Iraq, they were right. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #142

I would not take for granted that merrily Mar 2014 #152

Oh, please, Louise! Like Hissyspit, I haven't forgotten and, since merrily Mar 2014 #150

And, he was briefed on these concerns and believe he was being told the truth in good faith. wisteria Mar 2014 #90

Did you believe the claims of the Bush administration at that time? merrily Mar 2014 #116

The vast majority of Amrricans did believe them Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #147

No one I know believed them. merrily Mar 2014 #149

Well good for you. What knowledge did you have that supported your POV? wisteria Mar 2014 #183

This post is about an ironic statement made in 2014. merrily Mar 2014 #62

A lot of people believe the reason Kerry lost to Bush was he because was too much like him. QuestForSense Mar 2014 #71

no he didn't. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #73

In 2004 QuestForSense Mar 2014 #84

pot, meet kettle blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #44

Not impressed. He's doing the best he can babylonsister Mar 2014 #51

I dont think it's a hit on Kerry 1awake Mar 2014 #52

then its on all of us for allowing that little motherfucker to stride past Gore into the WH Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #59

That I agree with completely. So much damage done 1awake Mar 2014 #66

Odd. I don't remember being on the Supreme Court in 2000. merrily Mar 2014 #153

We're you in our equivalent if Maidan or Tahrir square? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #166

I don't think we have an equivalent of Tahrir Square. In fact, I don't merrily Mar 2014 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Mar 2014 #60

Not funny at all. He made a horrible faux pas, which I don't know if he madinmaryland Mar 2014 #78

It wasn't a "faux pas" ProSense Mar 2014 #88

Loaded with irony, at least, since Kerry is now the mouthpiece for foreign policy. Orsino Mar 2014 #143

Spare me the nonsense. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #144

Which part was the nonsense? n/t Orsino Mar 2014 #145

No, it would not mean that no American could speak against Bush. merrily Mar 2014 #157

Like I said in the other thread Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #156

Oh, come on, now. Posting it, even twice, does not make it so. merrily Mar 2014 #159

I've never said it was the "only or best possible thing" bullshit Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #162

Um, you said he had to say it or something a lot like it. merrily Mar 2014 #163

Fine...Go apply to be Kerry's new speechwriter, then Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #164

Are you aware that people Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #58

And he has stated he regrets his vote. I know, God forbid people change their JaneyVee Mar 2014 #63

God forbid Will Pitt discuss this, given the evidence he published at the time Hissyspit Mar 2014 #126

paternalistic crap bobduca Mar 2014 #64

Exactly. ProSense Mar 2014 #65

No, it's not. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #125

You know, ProSense Mar 2014 #134

awesome bobduca Mar 2014 #148

I mean he should have done thar already AT THE TIME of the vote. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #180

I'm not going to jump on Kerry for his past votes here ibegurpard Mar 2014 #72

Funny, how ProSense Mar 2014 #81

Thanks, Will. It is interesting to watch heads exploding on both sides of the aisle. madinmaryland Mar 2014 #74

not backing away. clarifying for the dunderheads who didn't listen closely the first time. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #95

In politics, a 'dunderhead' is anyone who thinks folks listen closely and because of that Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #146

Will points out an obvious line of hypocrisy and the usual suspects Rex Mar 2014 #189

You are right. If we cannot call out the hypocrisy of our party members, then we madinmaryland Mar 2014 #194

War of the week. N Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq..... grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #94

The good thing is that ProSense Mar 2014 #101

No he is not... actually.. he seems a bit jittery, 1awake Mar 2014 #117

i think Will Pitt is building his "DU Cred" with these type of threads JI7 Mar 2014 #108

Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #110

Um, he doesn't need to build cred. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #124

I think he's speaking his mind as evolves as a Human Being..with backlook KoKo Mar 2014 #187

sure grasswire Mar 2014 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #113

Breitbart was good at that too. I mean ProSense Mar 2014 #118

I know, I debated not posting it PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #120

the things one *learns* on DU grasswire Mar 2014 #121

Our supposed "moral high ground" was drowned in the Gulf of Tonkin. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #127

thank me for kicking your thread! >_< NuttyFluffers Mar 2014 #133

That was a big Duh. Maybe it's time for Kerry and a lot of other politicians Autumn Mar 2014 #136

Hillary needs to "retire" and not run in 2016. Kerry has no plans to run for elected office. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #140

Here you go. Autumn Mar 2014 #141

+100 MBS Mar 2014 #182

SOS Kerry is no longer involved in politics. wisteria Mar 2014 #184

Yeah cause SOS is not a senior political appointment and has nothing Autumn Mar 2014 #200

By sayin " retired from politics" the poster meant mylye2222 Mar 2014 #201

He is no longer an elected official, and he represents the President and the US wisteria Mar 2014 #205

No shit?? Autumn Mar 2014 #209

And it is my opinion that your are uninformed, wisteria Mar 2014 #212

Aww...you made some people get a real sadz! Rex Mar 2014 #138

IKR? I literally LOLed when he said that n/t librechik Mar 2014 #139

Hey, he said "you," not "we." malthaussen Mar 2014 #151

I don't get what's with his bellicose language since becoming KoKo Mar 2014 #155

"You don't invade a country on completely trumped up pre-text" ProSense Mar 2014 #161

Maybe he's building his street creds as a general jsr Mar 2014 #175

What do you think he has been doing? wisteria Mar 2014 #185

Why didn't he say 'anymore' at the end of that? nt duhneece Mar 2014 #170

Where are ProSense Mar 2014 #171

direct plug-back to Cindy Sheehan times on DU. n/t BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #181

I begin to be REALLY SICK AND TIRED ABOUT KERRY BASHING. mylye2222 Mar 2014 #186

So how does that address the double standard quote in the OP? Rex Mar 2014 #190

No one can force me to NOT participate and read and comment GD either mylye2222 Mar 2014 #191

Yeah I read your OP, can you actually point out any of these people Rex Mar 2014 #192

...I lost to Bush. bigwillq Mar 2014 #188

... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #196

Kerry's statement was a disgrace. delrem Mar 2014 #193

"You don't invade a country on completely trumped up pre-text" ProSense Mar 2014 #195

Reading the replies in this thread...you would think it was Kerry who invaded Iraq and not Bush Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #197

It was the US that invaded Iraq, not "Bush". delrem Mar 2014 #204

That comment no sense. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #206

+100! wisteria Mar 2014 #208

yes they are ridiculus. I just opened a protest tread. About those often personal critics mylye2222 Mar 2014 #198

You aren't capable of understanding the disgrace of that level of hypocrisy. delrem Mar 2014 #202

No, it's incoherent because it's nonsense. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #207

and then Whisp Mar 2014 #211