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quakerboy

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149. Shall we compare notes?

Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:45 AM

Mar 2014

"What's the point of nominating someone who will in all likelihood not win next November? The Repugs are salivating at the thought of putting Obama through his paces. The "audacity of hope" and other platitudes are no match for the Republican machine.
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I know that many on his board are very young and idealistic, but I want a Democrat to win the White House next November and I don't see Obama in the Oval office next year. Maybe in a few years when he's more seasoned and actually DOES have some gravitas."

You can use emoticons and indicate your disdain all you like. Fact is you were wrong then, and I fail to see any reason to believe your nearly identical predictions are suddenly foolproof now.

Bernie is a long shot for the nomination, that much I would agree with you on. Id rather he didn't run, myself. But I would certainly hope that the Democratic party would rally behind him if he gained the nomination.

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TIME Newsmaker Interview: Bernie Sanders Says He�d Make a Better President Than Hillary Clinton [View all] babylonsister Mar 2014 OP

I, like Bernie, would be too, but we're both unelectable NightWatcher Mar 2014 #1

You will vote for someone who is part of the problem? What if Bernie runs? I would definitely sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #49

I'd vote for him for the nomination. After that, I'm voting for the Dem nominee NightWatcher Mar 2014 #57

If you vote for him to be the nominee... brooklynite Mar 2014 #66

He doesn't. But a primary is about your choice, my choice. aquart Mar 2014 #74

A Primary is about your choice within a political reality brooklynite Mar 2014 #76

It's your right to betray yourself like that. Go for it. aquart Mar 2014 #80

Some betrayal... brooklynite Mar 2014 #85

We've stopped some of the bleeding caused by the Bush years, but the ship is still sinking. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #125

The economic imbalance, the overabundance at the top of society and the misery at the bottom, JDPriestly Mar 2014 #158

Good for you. Wilms Mar 2014 #81

Golly, I didn't know I was that influential... brooklynite Mar 2014 #84

Thats worked SOOOO well for the republicans. and for us, come to think of it. quakerboy Mar 2014 #118

Hear Hear! Was Obama considered electable in 2005 or 06? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #130

Do you think that Sanders could win the general election???????????? Beacool Mar 2014 #137

Did you think that President Obama could win his first general? quakerboy Mar 2014 #142

Obama was a charismatic man who could deliver a soaring speech. Beacool Mar 2014 #143

Shall we compare notes? quakerboy Mar 2014 #149

I still think that Obama was not ready for the gig in 2008, but he won and there he is. Beacool Mar 2014 #150

I think he has the potential quakerboy Mar 2014 #151

If Bernie is the Democratic nominee for President.... ReRe Mar 2014 #157

He would make mincemeat of Hillary, they are So opposite. Whisp Mar 2014 #161

I agree that he would never make it to the... ReRe Mar 2014 #164

How does he win? By telling the truth about the situation in America today, how middle class and JDPriestly Mar 2014 #156

I like him too much to wish him the stress involved with the office. ReasonableToo Mar 2014 #106

Welcome To the "Thank you, sir. May I have another" school of voting. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #147

wow, you laid right down RedstDem Mar 2014 #115

Policy-wise perhaps, but his head would explode BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #2

No it certainly wouldn't. He's been in Congress for 25 years cali Mar 2014 #7

Congressmen and Senators lead the life of a sheltered child compared with a President BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #20

Of course he's too old but it's laughable of YOU to cali Mar 2014 #21

lol/irrelevant...Mt. Cali just needs to erupt several times a day, doesn't it? BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #22

I don't care how old he is, chronologically, mentally he appears to be far more with it than sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #52

He has the right ideas, and he's willing to discuss them. winter is coming Mar 2014 #155

I think by "sheltered" ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #36

Condescending & Ageist! quite an achievment bobduca Mar 2014 #42

What B.S. dotymed Mar 2014 #44

I love him...Bernie Rocks! Rockyj Mar 2014 #129

+100 840high Mar 2014 #134

Age is not a factor to me Samantha Mar 2014 #75

By that standard the same was true of Obama. cui bono Mar 2014 #98

I agree...And this is how discussions get pear-shaped around here BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #100

Hillary is too hardened. Too calloused. Too unwilling to hear criticism. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #159

So that applies to Hillary's Senate service and to the Presidents' entire resume Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #105

Maybe he could take steps to dismantle the fucking bullshit that would make his head explode. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #67

Sanders would make a better president than just about anyone. LonePirate Mar 2014 #3

I second that!!! n/t woodsprite Mar 2014 #13

Yes he would! newfie11 Mar 2014 #23

On domestic economic issues ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #38

Only one that matters right now. n/t Dawgs Mar 2014 #53

You really think so? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #60

I think Bernie Sanders would have no problem handling any situation, foreign or domestic. Dawgs Mar 2014 #62

Because other than faith ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #92

We have plenty to go on. Bernie Sanders has proven to be smart, capable, and tough. Dawgs Mar 2014 #93

Okay. eom 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #96

America's biggest problems are domestic. Obama is strong when it comes to foreign policy. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #160

He has served in the US Congress much, much longer than Obama had Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #107

This isn't about President Obama ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #114

You can go to his website and find out where he stands on many issues Armstead Mar 2014 #170

You're kidding right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #173

what did you have to go on when you voted for obama in 2008? frylock Mar 2014 #120

This isn't about President Obama ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #124

He'd have to register as a Democrat, give up... DonViejo Mar 2014 #126

He would fall in line foreign policy wise. joshcryer Mar 2014 #128

Whose to say he isn't capable of otehr areas too? Armstead Mar 2014 #169

I haven't ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #172

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #68

I'd vote for him! neverforget Mar 2014 #4

I'd be honored to support Sanders. n/t winter is coming Mar 2014 #5

He very well might. I love Bernie... Adrahil Mar 2014 #6

Did you know that if you say that enough times and truly believe it JAbuchan08 Mar 2014 #27

Meanwhile, in the real world.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #28

He has a Brooklyn accent. Wilms Mar 2014 #82

Geez, I'm not the enemy... Adrahil Mar 2014 #83

in the real world, biracial community organizers with minimal experience.. frylock Mar 2014 #121

IF you truly "love Bernie" dotymed Mar 2014 #47

I do admire your dedication Adrahil Mar 2014 #63

I think you see it wrong. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #69

Looking at the historical evidence quakerboy Mar 2014 #122

If Bernie runs for President as a dem, he would be a HUGE thorn in Hillary's side cali Mar 2014 #8

No he wouldn't because the stupidity of the country would not take him seriously, and Hillary would lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #11

i think a lot of people woudl take him seriously cali Mar 2014 #16

I don't think the socialist label would hurt him... Adrahil Mar 2014 #29

On DU no problem, but I do not see one red state accepting that, or for that matter the midwest lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #37

Hillary won't win those states either. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #70

Actually I believe your assessment is incorrect. Hillary WILL get the women vote in those states lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #104

Bernie is centrist on every issue. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #109

I agree, but in my view that is not what they believe, and the MSM will lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #111

You are correct. The media will seek to distort the issue as they always do. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #113

Hope you are right, but they still call it the "liberal media", which we all know is a crock lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #117

Sorry, I don't think that HappyMe Mar 2014 #112

No, that is an added bonus in her favor. Her more conservative views will attract more voters in lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #123

Then support warren not Clinton dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #133

I don't disagree with your points lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #139

All we need is a truth teller. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #165

I am not so sure lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #168

I agree dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #174

If Bernie runs as a Democrat I will vote for him. If he loses in the primaries however, I will vote lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #167

Those women who are "more conservative than in say California" will vote Republican. n/t winter is coming Mar 2014 #148

You are probably right. I guess it depend on degree, that is how conservative, but then again that lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #171

The problem is the "socialist" label. That isn't going to cut it in a nationwide election. Of lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #31

After the last 30+ years.... daleanime Mar 2014 #58

Sure, but the brain washing has to be undone, and that will take decades. Probably the worst thing lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #61

It doesn't have to take decades. It can happen quickly woo me with science Mar 2014 #73

Sure couldn't hurt.... daleanime Mar 2014 #86

I don't see how it could happen in the bible belt or the south. You are assuming people in those lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #103

He defines himself as a Democratic Socialist Samantha Mar 2014 #79

I would to, but only if he runs as a Democrat and gets the Democratic nomination. Modern history lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #132

Now, he describes himself simply as indie. merrily Mar 2014 #152

They would call him a communist, and he would respond by explaining his view on our economy. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #162

I would agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #41

I think he should do it. The primary season would be better. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #71

I think he should too. panader0 Mar 2014 #108

The primary season would be *meaningful*. We might actually get some debates that are winter is coming Mar 2014 #153

Dream on............ Beacool Mar 2014 #138

Yes he would make a better President than Hillary, unfortunately he couldn't be elected. The lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #9

Of course he would be. That's a no-brainer. PeteSelman Mar 2014 #10

That's only a bit extreme; on balance, it's a fair assessment of closeupready Mar 2014 #33

Sanders/Warren 2016! Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #12

What about Bernie for Pres. for 4 (or 8), then Warren for Pres. woodsprite Mar 2014 #14

I think Bernie is a great politician. America would be fortunate to have such ladjf Mar 2014 #15

Excellent interview. Great points: ProSense Mar 2014 #17

Oh No! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #43

Neither did Kucinich when my precinct met with him. He defended Obama as a progressive to the ODS freshwest Mar 2014 #90

Say What? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #97

Bernie respects both Obama and Clinton! There is no feud! LOL. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #101

Amazing post. Thanks for that. And those of us not eaten up with impotent rage already knew Number23 Mar 2014 #110

Yes, we are. And they know who is lying about them, too, and don't support it. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #119

I'm sure Bernie holds Obama's more progressive position on marijuana. joshcryer Mar 2014 #163

I think both would make fine presidents. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #18

OMG, just do it Bernie. K&R Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #19

Love Bernie LittleGirl Mar 2014 #24

Probably would, but obviously not going to happen. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #25

Tell us something we DON'T know, Bernie! Sheez. closeupready Mar 2014 #26

i hope he runs. mopinko Mar 2014 #30

It�s easier to talk about it than do it, as Bernie says, he is a talker not a doer. CK_John Mar 2014 #32

Hillary is neither. So on balance, Bernie trumps for the win. closeupready Mar 2014 #35

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #34

no problem with that postulation heaven05 Mar 2014 #39

Senators Sanders and Warren among others, mountain grammy Mar 2014 #40

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #136

Perot did well as a third candidate. Maybe Bernie could pick up right leaning independents. toby jo Mar 2014 #45

Certainly much better on economic, energy, miltary or climate issues. raouldukelives Mar 2014 #46

....and water is wet. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #48

He did say he would run Phlem Mar 2014 #50

Sanders or Warren Ino Mar 2014 #51

I agree with him, but it will never happen!!! gopiscrap Mar 2014 #54

TIME magazine--shit stirrers extraordinaire. MADem Mar 2014 #55

He might. Iggo Mar 2014 #56

Run, Bernie, Run! bigwillq Mar 2014 #59

Bernie Sanders Says He�d Make a Better President Than Hillary Clinton JEB Mar 2014 #64

agreed Phlem Mar 2014 #77

Bernie would offer "hope and change" that has substance. Run, Bernie. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #65

Teams of sockpuppets. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #72

Well, he's probably right. Laelth Mar 2014 #78

Me, too. But I'd still vote for her, if she should win in the primaries. Cal33 Mar 2014 #87

So would I, of course. Laelth Mar 2014 #89

As will all Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #99

Me, too. But I'd still vote for her, if she should win in the primaries. Cal33 Mar 2014 #87

The Bottom Line is we have to hope he keeps talking about it to give Progressives Hope C0RYH0FFMAN Mar 2014 #91

No question he would make a better President. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #94

Run as a Democrat Bernie, and you have my vote. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #95

He'd make a fine president Rider3 Mar 2014 #102

PLEASE RUN AND GIVE US A REASON FOR HOPE!!! Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #116

Run Bernie, run! joshcryer Mar 2014 #127

*** L0oniX Mar 2014 #131

A Socialist in his mid 70s. Beacool Mar 2014 #135

Isn't that a little tacky? ecstatic Mar 2014 #140

Every candidate in a primary is going to say he/she is better than the other candidates. winter is coming Mar 2014 #144

I want Bernie to be our first Jewish President. mucifer Mar 2014 #141

For sure. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #145

I will vote for Bernie Sanders if he runs as a Democrat. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #146

But, he never said he was going to run for President. merrily Mar 2014 #154

I live in Montana ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #166