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sabrina 1

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16. It was allowing them to go free that caused the real damage, that validated their crimes.

Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:26 AM

Mar 2014

We can expect to have some leaders who are corrupt from time to time, but our democracy would survive if the rule of law was applied when that happens.

When crimes of such massive proportions as we witnessed during the illegitimate Bush/Cheney years go unpunished, worse they are treated like icons, asked for advice, teaching our young people in colleges, THAT is what destroyed our democracy.

Making an example of people who do so much harm to this country, and others, would let others know they better be careful. They are brazen now, knowing they have lowered the bar to the point where lying about war, violating their oaths of office, breaking International law to degrees that should be unthinkable means nothing. Things can only get worse now that the rule of law has been abandoned.

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Seriously, WTF has happened to our country? [View all] al_liberal Mar 2014 OP

$$$$$$ bigwillq Mar 2014 #1

Yup. City Lights Mar 2014 #73

We had a coup in 2000 leading to the installation of an illegitimate administration in Cleita Mar 2014 #2

Exactly, Cleita RobertEarl Mar 2014 #4

Couldn't agree more.. CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #7

It was allowing them to go free that caused the real damage, that validated their crimes. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #16

Absolutely.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #19

I am not sure if it is a belief that our nation couldn't survive applying the rule of law to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #24

Nailed it. Thanks sabrina. Scuba Mar 2014 #38

Damned right. And damned good, too. malthaussen Mar 2014 #52

I remember telling people leading up to the 2000 election deutsey Mar 2014 #42

When is enough enough. Time for a revolt against the tyranny. olegramps Mar 2014 #70

Much of Reagan's damage could be undone. Shrub and the Neo-cons Dawson Leery Mar 2014 #109

And we let them get away with it... SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #10

I think it goes farther back, to Reagan. Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #12

The difference was that Reagan won his election and so did George H. W. Bush. Cleita Mar 2014 #15

Before the 1980 election the future Reagan Administration had Enthusiast Mar 2014 #44

True, but the electorate, although deceived, did vote for him. Cleita Mar 2014 #50

Iran-Contra happened in 1986 after both Reagan elections. former9thward Mar 2014 #60

Thom Hartmann has said, and I trust him to check his facts, that Reagan Cleita Mar 2014 #61

It is beyond our power to do any investigations. former9thward Mar 2014 #62

I'll email his show and ask him. I think there have been documents Cleita Mar 2014 #63

The Iran Hostages were released and returned to the US on the same day Reagan was inagurated. bvar22 Mar 2014 #72

I suspect the Senate and House were aware of that fact. former9thward Mar 2014 #74

I thought the plane took off once he was sworn in, even before his first speech was over. woodsprite Mar 2014 #77

His inauguration was a split screen showing the hostages being flown home and arriving in the US lunatica Mar 2014 #90

Exactly right. I knew it then. Anyone with half a brain knew it. pangaia Mar 2014 #84

I wouldn't trust Wikipedia... elzenmahn Mar 2014 #111

Fine, did he do a personal investigation? former9thward Mar 2014 #112

Ask him... elzenmahn Mar 2014 #116

I believe this was released through the freedom of information act. Nt newfie11 Mar 2014 #117

Iran hostage crisis started in 1979 NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #102

Well Desert One was a disaster. former9thward Mar 2014 #113

Still he was legally elected. He should have been impeached and thrown out of office Cleita Mar 2014 #101

Imagine the difference NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #99

Me too, in so many ways. Cleita Mar 2014 #100

Well said! nt raccoon Mar 2014 #35

They did not steal the election with good intentions in mind. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #43

JAMES BAKER the THIRD ! pangaia Mar 2014 #85

It is a fact that we had a coup in 2000 and the perpetrators have continued to ladjf Mar 2014 #79

While I agree that we've had a coup, I dont think it happened in 2000. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #86

That decision will come to be seen as first step to the undoing of the Republic. kairos12 Mar 2014 #96

You betcha. Same group responsible for the coup of 63 very well might have been behind it. silvershadow Mar 2014 #98

When the Felonious Five weren't dragged from their offices and guillotined, the fascists Doctor_J Mar 2014 #103

I know and I don't think anything will stop them any time soon. eom Cleita Mar 2014 #105

Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Mar 2014 #3

Precisely. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #45

You nailed it, Octafish Trailrider1951 Mar 2014 #54

Exactly...and it's been downhill ever since. n/t Raksha Mar 2014 #114

2010 elections, and the desire to punish Democrats. Well, it succeeded. Boy did it. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #5

Will it continue this election year? n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #11

If it's up to the ODSers on DU, yes. Definitely. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #49

Note: They didn't just come out. They were exorted to come out by organizers who jtuck004 Mar 2014 #14

This. The Democrats won my 1.5 million more votes, but still lost the House. joshcryer Mar 2014 #32

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #106

Follow the $ Earth_First Mar 2014 #6

When? ReRe Mar 2014 #8

A lot of the bad stuff started with Nixon and continued, escalating merrily Mar 2014 #20

Yeah, Nixon was the one who... ReRe Mar 2014 #21

I never said Reagan was not a part of it. merrily Mar 2014 #22

What we have here... ReRe Mar 2014 #23

Peace to you as well, but merrily Mar 2014 #26

You know... ReRe Mar 2014 #28

The race to become the first trillionaire is serious business and the very wealthy valerief Mar 2014 #9

What Unregulated Capitalism Looks Like DallasNE Mar 2014 #13

Haiti's better. China just looks like Pittsburgh when I was a boy. n/t malthaussen Mar 2014 #53

I remember the grey snow DeadLetterOffice Mar 2014 #88

Its been all downhill ever since Bush was elected quinnox Mar 2014 #17

Ask rather, What can we do to make things better? merrily Mar 2014 #18

The 1980 election happened DavidDvorkin Mar 2014 #25

I disagree. merrily Mar 2014 #30

the forces of greed have a long, strong history here. progress punches through only occasionally unblock Mar 2014 #55

Yes. Soon. Please. nt merrily Mar 2014 #56

In 1968, I would have agreed with you DavidDvorkin Mar 2014 #58

I don't understand. How could you have merrily Mar 2014 #59

Backlash to the political, cultural, economic, and social upheavals of the 1960s and 1970s YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #27

The actual history teaches us it's always been an uphill fight struggle4progress Mar 2014 #29

I agree with Douglass, but he died a long time before the Security State. merrily Mar 2014 #31

I once heard Studs Terkel speak, and someone ask him why Reagan got elected Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #33

What an excellent quote! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #46

+1 !! exactly lunasun Mar 2014 #115

Challenging authority involves a lot more than picking the right clothes... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #34

we've reached the point where one player has all the good properties with hotels on all of them corkhead Mar 2014 #36

Ouch marions ghost Mar 2014 #41

That's it in a nutshell. OnionPatch Mar 2014 #71

I used a similar analogy recently. The_Commonist Mar 2014 #92

Terrific OP with many great replies. Kick. Scuba Mar 2014 #37

Well said. We need to keep asking this fundamental question marions ghost Mar 2014 #39

the conversion from Bedford Falls to Pottersville is nearly complete corkhead Mar 2014 #40

Our economic system returned to form and in the process trashed or dented the shit out of much TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #47

Seriously, people, this thread should have hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #48

Well, for one thing, the counter-revolution wasn't televised. malthaussen Mar 2014 #51

As a nation, we have let the hard right Republicans and Conservatives take over. meanit Mar 2014 #57

And they want to hire a foreign company, rickyhall Mar 2014 #64

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #65

great questions. obama's promise denied by real thugs SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2014 #66

IN A NUTSHELL: We stopped taxing excessive wealth, and they took that money and ruined our country. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #67

The stage was set by Reagan. seabeckind Mar 2014 #68

See what happens when white men feel their power slip? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #69

Two words... Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #75

Well al_liberal, mstinamotorcity2 Mar 2014 #76

Financialization and unbridled greed. moondust Mar 2014 #78

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." factsarenotfair Mar 2014 #80

My answer? liberalmuse Mar 2014 #81

I agree. secondvariety Mar 2014 #83

Propaganda works n2doc Mar 2014 #82

Tell it how it is!!!!!! BlueJac Mar 2014 #87

The 60's and early 70's were an aberration. DeadLetterOffice Mar 2014 #89

Circa 1995... yawnmaster Mar 2014 #91

''Chaos is required for the veils to fall down.'' DeSwiss Mar 2014 #93

One of my co-workers... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #94

Faux propaganda works. Hate radio works. Underfunding schools and poor curricula works. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #95

Yes, I think it started with Reagan.. he made it ok to be stupid. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #97

Because we don't fight back Doctor_J Mar 2014 #104

4 replies before the DINOs/BOG blamed it on Dems Doctor_J Mar 2014 #107

The conservative revolution. BarbaRosa Mar 2014 #108

I suspect the rich are running our nation and those we elect are simply puppets ... spin Mar 2014 #110