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Showing Original Post only (View all)The clash in Crimea is the fruit of western expansion [View all]
The external struggle to dominate Ukraine has put fascists in power and broughtthe country to the brink of conflict
Seumas Milne
The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/05/clash-crimea-western-expansion-ukraine-fascists
Diplomatic pronouncements are renowned for hypocrisy and double standards. But western denunciations of Russian intervention in Crimea have reached new depths of self parody. The so far bloodless incursion is an "incredible act of aggression", US secretary of state John Kerry declared. In the 21st century you just don't invade countries on a "completely trumped-up pretext", he insisted, as US allies agreed that it had been an unacceptable breach of international law, for which there will be "costs".
That the states which launched the greatest act of unprovoked aggression in modern history on a trumped-up pretext against Iraq, in an illegal war now estimated to have killed 500,000, along with the invasion of Afghanistan, bloody regime change in Libya, and the killing of thousands in drone attacks on Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, all without UN authorisation should make such claims is beyond absurdity.
It's not just that western aggression and lawless killing is on another scale entirely from anything Russia appears to have contemplated, let alone carried out removing any credible basis for the US and its allies to rail against Russian transgressions. But the western powers have also played a central role in creating the Ukraine crisis in the first place.
The US and European powers openly sponsored the protests to oust the corrupt but elected Viktor Yanukovych government, which were triggered by controversy over an all-or-nothing EU agreement which would have excluded economic association with Russia.
Continued: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/05/clash-crimea-western-expansion-ukraine-fascists
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It's not the west that left the ex-Soviet Union people cold and hungry
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2014
#7
The first crude steam engine was invented while the Brits were still painting themselves blue
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#10
I do that too. But I'm not an engine. More like a 4-in-1 conversion device from Husky tools. n/t
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#14
Finally, You've hit the Nub of the issue of concern, but you don't seem to have given any
2banon
Mar 2014
#80
Are you really using a link from Russia Today to back your argument?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Mar 2014
#65
Calling people "Putin fans" because you dont agree with them is childish. If you have a
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#46
Labeling people as "Putin fans" is an attempt to shame them into silence. If you disagree
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#54
I think you might be confusing "line up behind Putin" with "dont show blind allegiance to
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#117
you don't notice a correlation between the "Syria didn't use that poison gas"
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#118
Crimea was 'transfered' in the 50's, but do you know how it came to have a majority
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#23
The Tatars are not indigenous, they're a fusion of nomadic groups from Genghis Khan's army
Catherina
Mar 2014
#62
Exactly, and to be more specific: NATO's Nuclear Missiles installations in Poland
2banon
Mar 2014
#43
There's a progressive media resources group? Who knew? What's it under? i don't see it? eom
truth2power
Mar 2014
#109
So quasi-socialist countries should invade countries they call fascist and carve off pieces?
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2014
#9
"fuck the EU" < We have only the wittiest, most professional people on these important affairs. n/t
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#15
That remark was only in the very limited context of the early stage of the Ukraine crisis.
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2014
#16
I am guessing most of them don't speak for the State Department who are paid by people that
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#17
Yes, not "diplomatic" or professional language or attitude, but it did not get us into Iraq.
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2014
#44
The excuses for Russia invading and being on the brink of annexing Crimea are hilarious. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#20
I think it is a simple face saving measure for his guy getting kicked out of Kyiv.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#71
Excuses for Provocations vis a vis NATO Missile installations in Poland are not so hilarious.
2banon
Mar 2014
#45
NATO missiles in Poland = Excuse to invade a part of Ukraine? Yes, that's hilarious. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#70
I agree with the fact that History is chock full of more egregious examples, but I disagree
2banon
Mar 2014
#47
That would work if it was Cheney or Bush saying it. Not me saying it. Not Barack Obama saying it.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#133
The Guardian has to stick to the anti-US narrative come hell or high water...
SidDithers
Mar 2014
#29
I suppose you prefer the American Exceptionalism of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Fox. nm
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#55
I see that the actions of Russia have awakened the Neo-Cons both Repubs and Dems.
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#56
It is an absurd fantasy to suppose that only Neocons object to Russia's behavior.
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#61
I do not support Russian's actions. But I probably will disagree with the Neo-Con's
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#77
Ukraine can decide to opt out of being in Russia's sphere if it so chooses nt
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#100
Exactly! All Points Well Made. Your logical summation seems to be MIA with others here..
2banon
Mar 2014
#83
NATO is not in Ukraine and that was not on the agenda. EU is a trade bloc
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#104
If it was George W. Bush complaining, like he did with South Ossetia, you would have a point.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#134