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Fumesucker

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55. Just because we disagree is no reason to feel you are being attacked

Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:29 AM

Mar 2014

Indeed I have praised you before, said you were more intelligent and better informed than I am (although to be entirely fair that was a while back).

What I am saying is that a large majority of *DUers* would indicate they "support Obama" if they were polled precisely because they would assume that it would be taken by the pollsters that non-support indicates Obama is "too far left".

The meme in the OP was used by LoZoccolo to bash DUers who are perceived as insufficiently worshipful of Obama and the OP is back to beating that same poor dead horse.

I'd bet that "most Americans" self identify as "conservative" rather than "liberal" even if they hold far more "liberal" ideas than "conservative ones" simply because the demonization of "liberal" by the Republicans has been going on since at least Newt Gingrich was carrying on an affair with an aide while Clinton was being impeached for his sexual dalliance.

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Obama's approval rating among liberal dems reaches a 2014 high of 85% [View all] Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 OP

That statistic is relatively meaningless, unless we know merrily Mar 2014 #1

There are distinct categories Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #3

Thanks, but please read my post again. merrily Mar 2014 #4

It's self-identification. joshcryer Mar 2014 #5

You're not helping the resident whiners with that stat. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #9

Not my intent. joshcryer Mar 2014 #11

Nice! Thanks for highlighting it. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #14

My post addressed self-identification. merrily Mar 2014 #15

How else do you know but by self-identification? joshcryer Mar 2014 #17

A variety of ways. merrily Mar 2014 #20

To get a reliable metric would make the poll very long. joshcryer Mar 2014 #25

If it's meaningless, though, its current length is immaterial. TroglodyteScholar Mar 2014 #168

A better question is why would you THINK you know as a result of self-identification? Bonobo Mar 2014 #46

People don't even know what middle class income is. joshcryer Mar 2014 #49

Or up. Or it could be right. We just don't know. merrily Mar 2014 #155

There are alot of people that are Liberal but do NOT self identify.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #58

Bingo. More proof that self-identification is unreliable. merrily Mar 2014 #99

NO those would be self identifying Conservatives...you know the ones that vote AGAINST VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #101

Your own post said all liberals don't self identify as liberals. merrily Mar 2014 #109

No I didn't ...YOU cannot disprove this poll so you are swinging in the wind... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #110

I know that you and others will not get this, but I am not trying to disprove the poll. merrily Mar 2014 #111

Did it specify at the link that self-identification was used, or is that your guess? merrily Mar 2014 #19

You can see the methodology of every poll here: joshcryer Mar 2014 #22

Thank you. I appreciate that. I will not sign up, but will download. merrily Mar 2014 #24

That link seems to be limited to demographics of the poll. merrily Mar 2014 #36

I've tried to find the wording. joshcryer Mar 2014 #38

No worries. You have been very useful, just not merrily Mar 2014 #39

That is a distinction between New Democrats and New Deal Democrats. Lasher Mar 2014 #13

My question was about the method that Gallup used and it was not rhetorical. merrily Mar 2014 #16

All that shows is how unrealistic your own view of what a "liberal" is. pnwmom Mar 2014 #43

All your statement shows is that you did not understand my post. merrily Mar 2014 #44

Your "disappointment" duly noted... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #59

What disappointment? She proved my point. merrily Mar 2014 #68

Please stop posting inane ideas and I might consider that... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #95

Oh, sweetie, not even close. merrily Mar 2014 #100

I am not your "sweetie" and that sounds sexist.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #103

It was not intended as sexist, but I will stop, as requested. merrily Mar 2014 #108

and THERE would be where YOUR problem lies.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #104

No, it's very evident on this thread that there is merrily Mar 2014 #112

there is very little on this thread of any real substance that you posted....its pure fantasy. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #116

Until i started reply to your personal insults, I was posting. And not insults. merrily Mar 2014 #137

Then you should go look and find out. MineralMan Mar 2014 #135

Some things are explained, but I did not see the answer to my question. merrily Mar 2014 #139

OK. MineralMan Mar 2014 #140

You said it was there; I said we didn't see it but thanked you anyway. merrily Mar 2014 #141

It's self-identification. It's always that. MineralMan Mar 2014 #143

Every poll is not the same. But, as I said, we assumed self identification. merrily Mar 2014 #149

sorry, the answer you want: Whisp Mar 2014 #146

Sorry, no. merrily Mar 2014 #151

Nailed it. Number23 Mar 2014 #162

Yeah, this is going to chafe some butts. Cha Mar 2014 #2

Maybe in your imagination people question methodology of a merrily Mar 2014 #7

Bahahaha!! Methodology is fine. Deal. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #10

Please, enlighten us as to the methodology. merrily Mar 2014 #12

They take a random sample usually with random number generators Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #18

I did not ask your opinion about what pollsters usually do. merrily Mar 2014 #21

If you don't believe Gallup follows standard statistical and polling norms Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #23

Never said what I believed about Gallup. merrily Mar 2014 #28

But FYI this is how they describe it Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #26

Says zero about the only question I've asked about the poll, namely, merrily Mar 2014 #30

Lol. Well joshcryer has pointed you to your Excel spreadsheet Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #31

Yes, he did and I thanked him. What's your point? merrily Mar 2014 #34

I think it's the gauche manner in which you presume to imply Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #35

See Reply 1, Sherlock. merrily Mar 2014 #37

Yep. That's exactly what it boils down to: ODS. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #69

Yes because SOOOO Many Conservatives misidentify themselves as Liberals! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #63

Straw man. Also, see Reply 37. merrily Mar 2014 #65

NO you pretending that you know average Liberals and believe they cannot be trusted VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #97

If you were correct about me, your post would still be wrong, merrily Mar 2014 #105

Oh don't worry....I "understand" completely..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #107

This sounds like the same methodology VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #61

Only in your mind. merrily Mar 2014 #66

apparently in this thread I am NOT the only one.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #96

I am sure you meant to post something that made sense. merrily Mar 2014 #113

I am sure you started out in this thread thinking you did too... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #114

Oh, I was not expecting from you anything near my Reply 1. merrily Mar 2014 #118

Oh the point IS....... you have NO point..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #119

The point is, you seem incapable of making one. merrily Mar 2014 #124

and you provided WHAT exactly besides your disbelief in "self-identification" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #125

Yes because a few "disappointed" DU'rs think they "represent" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #60

Getting closer to coherence. Third time's a charm. Fingers crossed! merrily Mar 2014 #115

Oh I think I think I hit that nail right on the head... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #117

More straw men. I never said you were the only one opposing me. merrily Mar 2014 #120

Yes because OBVIOUSLY ....anything that opposes YOUR ideas are alll Strawmen! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #121

Oh, my, still using straw man in a way that proves you merrily Mar 2014 #126

Oh Puleeze.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #156

Lol I love the way you put that. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #179

Was I right? Or was I Cha Mar 2014 #182

He's got this liberal Dem's approval. nt SunSeeker Mar 2014 #6

He has this Liberal-Progressive Dem's Approval, Cha Mar 2014 #8

and me JI7 Mar 2014 #40

And this one's. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #71

Yeah, the fifteen percent who don't like him are all hanging out up in here, it would seem... MADem Mar 2014 #27

I support Obama. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #29

Nice, a LoZoccolo memorial tribute thread Fumesucker Mar 2014 #32

He got a kick out of people confusing "liberal" with "liberal Democrat." joshcryer Mar 2014 #41

If it was such a great "debunking" then you would know what you said Fumesucker Mar 2014 #42

Or he flushed it from memory banks when LoZo got his pizza Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #45

It wasn't in the LoZ threads. joshcryer Mar 2014 #48

Because this meme is used to discredit DUers who would be a poor fit in the BOG of course Fumesucker Mar 2014 #50

Most polls conducted anywhere are not scientific. merrily Mar 2014 #127

I don't think you understand the meaning of scientific Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #129

Sure, but a scientist, dealing in the scientific method, merrily Mar 2014 #132

It's 2AM, and it's a 2012 rehash. joshcryer Mar 2014 #47

Regularly insulting? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #51

Oh, thinly veiled insults get by. joshcryer Mar 2014 #53

Just because we disagree is no reason to feel you are being attacked Fumesucker Mar 2014 #55

This poll might just blow your mind: joshcryer Mar 2014 #56

Wait a minute. If Gallup has a huge conservative bias, wouldn't they have a vested interest in Marr Mar 2014 #159

Sounds like you're not facing up to facts. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #81

The point is that *if* *polled* by a polling organization then Obama would be "popular" on DU Fumesucker Mar 2014 #85

Hahaha. That is one bizarre conclusion to draw Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #87

I damn sure wouldn't tell a polling organization my true feelings Fumesucker Mar 2014 #89

Well, that's a data point of one. And you're a rather odd duck so Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #90

Thanks for the compliment Fumesucker Mar 2014 #91

He's not that odd. merrily Mar 2014 #157

I'm glad someone noted that Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #70

The funny thing is that the quoted poll shows Obama's DISAPPROVAL at an all time high kenny blankenship Mar 2014 #84

If economy shoots upward this summer, your negative view will be fucked Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #94

Yeah, and *if* I flap my arms hard enough I can fly Fumesucker Mar 2014 #106

That and the rising fuel prices put more pressure on Americans to buy neverforget Mar 2014 #181

I noted that merrily Mar 2014 #154

Oh LoZoccolo, that clever sociopath Maven Mar 2014 #134

LIES JI7 Mar 2014 #33

LOL Cha Mar 2014 #52

LOL Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #83

That's probably because unemployment is down to 1%.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #54

This is good for our Country.. thank you, Cali. Cha Mar 2014 #57

Its because some "think they represent" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #64

ACORN must have manipulated the numbers!!! JoePhilly Mar 2014 #62

DU rec... SidDithers Mar 2014 #67

Staying out of wars has that effect on us. bemildred Mar 2014 #72

Staying out of big, public wars, maybe. Maedhros Mar 2014 #150

Yeah, I know, but it's a start. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #153

I'm amused that this poll bothers some people here. BenzoDia Mar 2014 #73

Enough so that they demand polling methodology be changed. Self ID all of a sudden not good enough stevenleser Mar 2014 #75

"Polls are only valid if they reinforce my biases.... otherwise they're flawed!!!" LanternWaste Mar 2014 #102

Can you point to post that demanded that pollsters change polling methodology? merrily Mar 2014 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author Romulox Mar 2014 #74

The midterm elections should be a breeze then. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #76

If Obama was running, you might have a point. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #78

Then we can only blame the Conservative Democrats for staying home. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #79

I dom't think you understand demographics of this country or gerrymandering Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #80

Weren't you arguing upthread that most Americans are liberal? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #122

no. I never made that claim. more DEMS identify as liberal. those identifying as conservative Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #123

Actually it was the moderates that stayed home. Liberals voted 90% Rex Mar 2014 #131

He should campaign. I think he will. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #82

Right--we have pro Drone Killing "liberals", NSA apologist "liberals", free trading "liberals", Romulox Mar 2014 #77

Yeah, the "liberal" tent is a really big one... Fumesucker Mar 2014 #86

LMAO! Didn't you here the latest about Bernie recruiting the Tea Party? adirondacker Mar 2014 #88

Yep. A real "broad tent". Romulox Mar 2014 #93

He has always had rock solid support from liberals. Rex Mar 2014 #92

Another couple months and PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #98

Yay! shenmue Mar 2014 #128

I just got through reading the incredibly fucked up posts following the OP... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #130

See, that's the "magic" theory of politics. MineralMan Mar 2014 #133

Yes. :( And change requires work. Lots of it. And not just from 1 person, and particularly Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #136

Yup. It's the work where things fall apart. MineralMan Mar 2014 #138

YES. Everyone must vote! That's the 1st step. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #142

That's the work I can do. I can help encourage people MineralMan Mar 2014 #145

I campaigned for Obama, canvassed door-to-door among Latin families... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #147

Thank you! MineralMan Mar 2014 #166

And thank you too. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #175

Fabulous, wonderful posts from you and Mineral Man Number23 Mar 2014 #163

Thank you. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #177

K&R Gobama! The Best President Ever... Whisp Mar 2014 #144

Who the fuck cares? If your idea of right and wrong is dictated by popularity then it is worthless. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #148

o my. Anger. Whisp Mar 2014 #152

It's hilarious Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #160

Just about every Democrat I know is deeply disappointed with him. Marr Mar 2014 #158

"just about every Democrat I know is deeply disappointed with him" Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #161

I admitted to no such thing. Marr Mar 2014 #165

Thread Winner! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #183

I guess you don't know many then, huh? Whisp Mar 2014 #170

I know plenty of them. Marr Mar 2014 #172

and you are Ms/Mr Congeniality? Whisp Mar 2014 #173

No, I'm not-- but the people in your... camp, for want of a better word... Marr Mar 2014 #174

yeh, we be so mean. Whisp Mar 2014 #176

You forgot the emoticon. /nt Marr Mar 2014 #180

Lozocollo was banned for posting these polls for reasons that I will never understand Number23 Mar 2014 #164

I agree. The wrong person(s) were banned if any should have been banned. stevenleser Mar 2014 #169

I know! That was so bizarre I will never understand... Whisp Mar 2014 #171

Doesn't surprise me at all. ucrdem Mar 2014 #178

NSA! NSA! I'll bet all the nuts have exploded at the Old Elm with this news. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #184