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VanillaRhapsody

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61. This sounds like the same methodology

Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:15 AM

Mar 2014

Climate Change Deniers use....simply deny the number of scientists who support it and just pretend that there are alot of them that disagree with it!.

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Obama's approval rating among liberal dems reaches a 2014 high of 85% [View all] Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 OP

That statistic is relatively meaningless, unless we know merrily Mar 2014 #1

There are distinct categories Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #3

Thanks, but please read my post again. merrily Mar 2014 #4

It's self-identification. joshcryer Mar 2014 #5

You're not helping the resident whiners with that stat. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #9

Not my intent. joshcryer Mar 2014 #11

Nice! Thanks for highlighting it. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #14

My post addressed self-identification. merrily Mar 2014 #15

How else do you know but by self-identification? joshcryer Mar 2014 #17

A variety of ways. merrily Mar 2014 #20

To get a reliable metric would make the poll very long. joshcryer Mar 2014 #25

If it's meaningless, though, its current length is immaterial. TroglodyteScholar Mar 2014 #168

A better question is why would you THINK you know as a result of self-identification? Bonobo Mar 2014 #46

People don't even know what middle class income is. joshcryer Mar 2014 #49

Or up. Or it could be right. We just don't know. merrily Mar 2014 #155

There are alot of people that are Liberal but do NOT self identify.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #58

Bingo. More proof that self-identification is unreliable. merrily Mar 2014 #99

NO those would be self identifying Conservatives...you know the ones that vote AGAINST VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #101

Your own post said all liberals don't self identify as liberals. merrily Mar 2014 #109

No I didn't ...YOU cannot disprove this poll so you are swinging in the wind... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #110

I know that you and others will not get this, but I am not trying to disprove the poll. merrily Mar 2014 #111

Did it specify at the link that self-identification was used, or is that your guess? merrily Mar 2014 #19

You can see the methodology of every poll here: joshcryer Mar 2014 #22

Thank you. I appreciate that. I will not sign up, but will download. merrily Mar 2014 #24

That link seems to be limited to demographics of the poll. merrily Mar 2014 #36

I've tried to find the wording. joshcryer Mar 2014 #38

No worries. You have been very useful, just not merrily Mar 2014 #39

That is a distinction between New Democrats and New Deal Democrats. Lasher Mar 2014 #13

My question was about the method that Gallup used and it was not rhetorical. merrily Mar 2014 #16

All that shows is how unrealistic your own view of what a "liberal" is. pnwmom Mar 2014 #43

All your statement shows is that you did not understand my post. merrily Mar 2014 #44

Your "disappointment" duly noted... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #59

What disappointment? She proved my point. merrily Mar 2014 #68

Please stop posting inane ideas and I might consider that... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #95

Oh, sweetie, not even close. merrily Mar 2014 #100

I am not your "sweetie" and that sounds sexist.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #103

It was not intended as sexist, but I will stop, as requested. merrily Mar 2014 #108

and THERE would be where YOUR problem lies.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #104

No, it's very evident on this thread that there is merrily Mar 2014 #112

there is very little on this thread of any real substance that you posted....its pure fantasy. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #116

Until i started reply to your personal insults, I was posting. And not insults. merrily Mar 2014 #137

Then you should go look and find out. MineralMan Mar 2014 #135

Some things are explained, but I did not see the answer to my question. merrily Mar 2014 #139

OK. MineralMan Mar 2014 #140

You said it was there; I said we didn't see it but thanked you anyway. merrily Mar 2014 #141

It's self-identification. It's always that. MineralMan Mar 2014 #143

Every poll is not the same. But, as I said, we assumed self identification. merrily Mar 2014 #149

sorry, the answer you want: Whisp Mar 2014 #146

Sorry, no. merrily Mar 2014 #151

Nailed it. Number23 Mar 2014 #162

Yeah, this is going to chafe some butts. Cha Mar 2014 #2

Maybe in your imagination people question methodology of a merrily Mar 2014 #7

Bahahaha!! Methodology is fine. Deal. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #10

Please, enlighten us as to the methodology. merrily Mar 2014 #12

They take a random sample usually with random number generators Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #18

I did not ask your opinion about what pollsters usually do. merrily Mar 2014 #21

If you don't believe Gallup follows standard statistical and polling norms Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #23

Never said what I believed about Gallup. merrily Mar 2014 #28

But FYI this is how they describe it Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #26

Says zero about the only question I've asked about the poll, namely, merrily Mar 2014 #30

Lol. Well joshcryer has pointed you to your Excel spreadsheet Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #31

Yes, he did and I thanked him. What's your point? merrily Mar 2014 #34

I think it's the gauche manner in which you presume to imply Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #35

See Reply 1, Sherlock. merrily Mar 2014 #37

Yep. That's exactly what it boils down to: ODS. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #69

Yes because SOOOO Many Conservatives misidentify themselves as Liberals! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #63

Straw man. Also, see Reply 37. merrily Mar 2014 #65

NO you pretending that you know average Liberals and believe they cannot be trusted VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #97

If you were correct about me, your post would still be wrong, merrily Mar 2014 #105

Oh don't worry....I "understand" completely..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #107

This sounds like the same methodology VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #61

Only in your mind. merrily Mar 2014 #66

apparently in this thread I am NOT the only one.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #96

I am sure you meant to post something that made sense. merrily Mar 2014 #113

I am sure you started out in this thread thinking you did too... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #114

Oh, I was not expecting from you anything near my Reply 1. merrily Mar 2014 #118

Oh the point IS....... you have NO point..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #119

The point is, you seem incapable of making one. merrily Mar 2014 #124

and you provided WHAT exactly besides your disbelief in "self-identification" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #125

Yes because a few "disappointed" DU'rs think they "represent" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #60

Getting closer to coherence. Third time's a charm. Fingers crossed! merrily Mar 2014 #115

Oh I think I think I hit that nail right on the head... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #117

More straw men. I never said you were the only one opposing me. merrily Mar 2014 #120

Yes because OBVIOUSLY ....anything that opposes YOUR ideas are alll Strawmen! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #121

Oh, my, still using straw man in a way that proves you merrily Mar 2014 #126

Oh Puleeze.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #156

Lol I love the way you put that. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #179

Was I right? Or was I Cha Mar 2014 #182

He's got this liberal Dem's approval. nt SunSeeker Mar 2014 #6

He has this Liberal-Progressive Dem's Approval, Cha Mar 2014 #8

and me JI7 Mar 2014 #40

And this one's. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #71

Yeah, the fifteen percent who don't like him are all hanging out up in here, it would seem... MADem Mar 2014 #27

I support Obama. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #29

Nice, a LoZoccolo memorial tribute thread Fumesucker Mar 2014 #32

He got a kick out of people confusing "liberal" with "liberal Democrat." joshcryer Mar 2014 #41

If it was such a great "debunking" then you would know what you said Fumesucker Mar 2014 #42

Or he flushed it from memory banks when LoZo got his pizza Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #45

It wasn't in the LoZ threads. joshcryer Mar 2014 #48

Because this meme is used to discredit DUers who would be a poor fit in the BOG of course Fumesucker Mar 2014 #50

Most polls conducted anywhere are not scientific. merrily Mar 2014 #127

I don't think you understand the meaning of scientific Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #129

Sure, but a scientist, dealing in the scientific method, merrily Mar 2014 #132

It's 2AM, and it's a 2012 rehash. joshcryer Mar 2014 #47

Regularly insulting? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #51

Oh, thinly veiled insults get by. joshcryer Mar 2014 #53

Just because we disagree is no reason to feel you are being attacked Fumesucker Mar 2014 #55

This poll might just blow your mind: joshcryer Mar 2014 #56

Wait a minute. If Gallup has a huge conservative bias, wouldn't they have a vested interest in Marr Mar 2014 #159

Sounds like you're not facing up to facts. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #81

The point is that *if* *polled* by a polling organization then Obama would be "popular" on DU Fumesucker Mar 2014 #85

Hahaha. That is one bizarre conclusion to draw Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #87

I damn sure wouldn't tell a polling organization my true feelings Fumesucker Mar 2014 #89

Well, that's a data point of one. And you're a rather odd duck so Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #90

Thanks for the compliment Fumesucker Mar 2014 #91

He's not that odd. merrily Mar 2014 #157

I'm glad someone noted that Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #70

The funny thing is that the quoted poll shows Obama's DISAPPROVAL at an all time high kenny blankenship Mar 2014 #84

If economy shoots upward this summer, your negative view will be fucked Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #94

Yeah, and *if* I flap my arms hard enough I can fly Fumesucker Mar 2014 #106

That and the rising fuel prices put more pressure on Americans to buy neverforget Mar 2014 #181

I noted that merrily Mar 2014 #154

Oh LoZoccolo, that clever sociopath Maven Mar 2014 #134

LIES JI7 Mar 2014 #33

LOL Cha Mar 2014 #52

LOL Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #83

That's probably because unemployment is down to 1%.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #54

This is good for our Country.. thank you, Cali. Cha Mar 2014 #57

Its because some "think they represent" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #64

ACORN must have manipulated the numbers!!! JoePhilly Mar 2014 #62

DU rec... SidDithers Mar 2014 #67

Staying out of wars has that effect on us. bemildred Mar 2014 #72

Staying out of big, public wars, maybe. Maedhros Mar 2014 #150

Yeah, I know, but it's a start. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #153

I'm amused that this poll bothers some people here. BenzoDia Mar 2014 #73

Enough so that they demand polling methodology be changed. Self ID all of a sudden not good enough stevenleser Mar 2014 #75

"Polls are only valid if they reinforce my biases.... otherwise they're flawed!!!" LanternWaste Mar 2014 #102

Can you point to post that demanded that pollsters change polling methodology? merrily Mar 2014 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author Romulox Mar 2014 #74

The midterm elections should be a breeze then. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #76

If Obama was running, you might have a point. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #78

Then we can only blame the Conservative Democrats for staying home. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #79

I dom't think you understand demographics of this country or gerrymandering Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #80

Weren't you arguing upthread that most Americans are liberal? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #122

no. I never made that claim. more DEMS identify as liberal. those identifying as conservative Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #123

Actually it was the moderates that stayed home. Liberals voted 90% Rex Mar 2014 #131

He should campaign. I think he will. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #82

Right--we have pro Drone Killing "liberals", NSA apologist "liberals", free trading "liberals", Romulox Mar 2014 #77

Yeah, the "liberal" tent is a really big one... Fumesucker Mar 2014 #86

LMAO! Didn't you here the latest about Bernie recruiting the Tea Party? adirondacker Mar 2014 #88

Yep. A real "broad tent". Romulox Mar 2014 #93

He has always had rock solid support from liberals. Rex Mar 2014 #92

Another couple months and PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #98

Yay! shenmue Mar 2014 #128

I just got through reading the incredibly fucked up posts following the OP... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #130

See, that's the "magic" theory of politics. MineralMan Mar 2014 #133

Yes. :( And change requires work. Lots of it. And not just from 1 person, and particularly Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #136

Yup. It's the work where things fall apart. MineralMan Mar 2014 #138

YES. Everyone must vote! That's the 1st step. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #142

That's the work I can do. I can help encourage people MineralMan Mar 2014 #145

I campaigned for Obama, canvassed door-to-door among Latin families... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #147

Thank you! MineralMan Mar 2014 #166

And thank you too. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #175

Fabulous, wonderful posts from you and Mineral Man Number23 Mar 2014 #163

Thank you. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #177

K&R Gobama! The Best President Ever... Whisp Mar 2014 #144

Who the fuck cares? If your idea of right and wrong is dictated by popularity then it is worthless. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #148

o my. Anger. Whisp Mar 2014 #152

It's hilarious Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #160

Just about every Democrat I know is deeply disappointed with him. Marr Mar 2014 #158

"just about every Democrat I know is deeply disappointed with him" Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #161

I admitted to no such thing. Marr Mar 2014 #165

Thread Winner! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #183

I guess you don't know many then, huh? Whisp Mar 2014 #170

I know plenty of them. Marr Mar 2014 #172

and you are Ms/Mr Congeniality? Whisp Mar 2014 #173

No, I'm not-- but the people in your... camp, for want of a better word... Marr Mar 2014 #174

yeh, we be so mean. Whisp Mar 2014 #176

You forgot the emoticon. /nt Marr Mar 2014 #180

Lozocollo was banned for posting these polls for reasons that I will never understand Number23 Mar 2014 #164

I agree. The wrong person(s) were banned if any should have been banned. stevenleser Mar 2014 #169

I know! That was so bizarre I will never understand... Whisp Mar 2014 #171

Doesn't surprise me at all. ucrdem Mar 2014 #178

NSA! NSA! I'll bet all the nuts have exploded at the Old Elm with this news. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #184