Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, Sen. Udall claims

[TheKentuckian]

10. Damn! Way to go a thousand miles around to avoid the point which is the rogue nature of the security

apparatus not to parse phrasing to exonerate President Obama of blame.

When Obama is long gone from office we will be left holding the bag so the most important thing is to clean up all of this shit and we elected this President to help us to do this because we cannot actually have self Governance with this level of distortion of democracy for authoritarian and corporate aims.

We will figure out when the President knew what in route to unraveling this mess and that will tell the tale. We may find Obama to be a knight in shining armor that came in and put down an steel clad foot or that he was in the dark as anyone but it was happening on his watch or that he has supported the actions.

We do not know but logic does not dictate that use of the present tense (and the much more typical use of a common phrase) excludes prior knowledge. That isn't meant to be an accusation at all, I truly have no idea what President Obama knew and when he knew it but your argument here is weak and loses track of the big picture from the jump.

The surveillance state is an existential threat to the republic and civilian, democratic government.