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In reply to the discussion: Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, Sen. Udall claims [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)16. Udall and Wyden were pretty much alone before Snowden made headlines.
From March 2012:
PATRIOT Act Being Used to Keep Super Duper Government Spy Operation Top Secret
Three cheers for Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado -- they've tried warning We the People and their fellow elected representatives about vitally important issues with the way the Government uses the USA PATRIOT Act. Unfortunately, the very law prevents them from disclosing what would cause us to be stunned.

The New York Times reported on Thursday:
Democratic Senators Issue Strong Warning About Use of the Patriot Act
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
The New York Times, March 16, 2012
WASHINGTON For more than two years, a handful of Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee have warned that the government is secretly interpreting its surveillance powers under the Patriot Act in a way that would be alarming if the public or even others in Congress knew about it.
On Thursday, two of those senators Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado went further. They said a top-secret intelligence operation that is based on that secret legal theory is not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained.
SNIP...
We would also note that in recent months we have grown increasingly skeptical about the actual value of the intelligence collection operation, they added. This has come as a surprise to us, as we were initially inclined to take the executive branchs assertions about the importance of this operation at face value.
The dispute centers on what the government thinks it is allowed to do under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, under which agents may obtain a secret order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court allowing them to get access to any tangible things like business records that are deemed relevant to a terrorism or espionage investigation.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/us/politics/democratic-senators-warn-about-use-of-patriot-act.html?_r=2
Gee. I sure hope Sen. Wyden and Sen. Udall succeed in letting us know what the hell is going on with the USA PATRIOT Act spying on Americans thing is all about. After all, it is a sad time in America when Senators are afraid of being whistleblowers.
Stratfor: executive boasted of 'trusted former CIA cronies'
By Alex Spillius, Diplomatic Correspondent
9:08PM GMT 28 Feb 2012
The Telegraph
A senior executive with the private intelligence firm Stratfor boasted to colleagues about his "trusted former CIA cronies" and promised to "see what I can uncover" about a classified FBI investigation, according to emails released by the WikiLeaks.
Fred Burton, vice president of intelligence at the Texas firm, also informed members of staff that he had a copy of the confidential indictment on Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.
The second batch of five million internal Stratfor emails obtained by the Anonymous computer hacking group revealed that the company has high level sources within the United States and other governments, runs a network of paid informants that includes embassy staff and journalists and planned a hedge fund, Stratcap, based on its secret intelligence.
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Mr Assange labelled the company as a "private intelligence Enron", in reference to the energy giant that collapsed after a false accounting scandal.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9111784/Stratfor-executive-boasted-of-trusted-former-CIA-cronies.html
The two Senators were talking about this latest outrage way back when. DUers, of course, were aware. But the rest of the nation, not so much.
Now why would Capitalism's Invisible Army want to keep We the People in the dark? For one thing, besides keeping tabs on everyone's comings and goings, could be for personal gain, say via inside trading?
Stratfor & Goldman Sachs started hedge fund called Stratcap to trade on illegal inside gov't info
"Stratfors use of insiders for intelligence soon turned into a money-making scheme of questionable legality. The emails show that in 2009 then-Goldman Sachs Managing Director Shea Morenz and Stratfor CEO George Friedman hatched an idea to "utilise the intelligence" it was pulling in from its insider network to start up a captive strategic investment fund. CEO George Friedman explained in a confidential August 2011 document, marked DO NOT SHARE OR DISCUSS : "What StratCap will do is use our Stratfors intelligence and analysis to trade in a range of geopolitical instruments, particularly government bonds, currencies and the like". The emails show that in 2011 Goldman Sachs Morenz invested "substantially" more than $4million and joined Stratfors board of directors. Throughout 2011, a complex offshore share structure extending as far as South Africa was erected, designed to make StratCap appear to be legally independent. But, confidentially, Friedman told StratFor staff : "Do not think of StratCap as an outside organisation. It will be integral... It will be useful to you if, for the sake of convenience, you think of it as another aspect of Stratfor and Shea as another executive in Stratfor... we are already working on mock portfolios and trades". StratCap is due to launch in 2012. "
http://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles.html
One thing is for certain: Secret government makes it really hard to follow the money. It does make obvious who's getting rich off it, though.
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Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, Sen. Udall claims [View all]
Octafish
Mar 2014
OP
Excellent post, Octafish. I do not understand how ANYONE who calls themselves and American, can even
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#89
Fascists with the Rainbow Coaltion of Racists 1%er's of Fundamental Greed-neo-lib's/ Third Way=Third
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#100
Damn! Way to go a thousand miles around to avoid the point which is the rogue nature of the security
TheKentuckian
Mar 2014
#10
Oh. Is it a "big deal" now? Because we weren't supposed to care when they were merely spying
Romulox
Mar 2014
#13
And in Hell, Nixon was heard to say "Well that's a great weight off my shoulders!"
kenny blankenship
Mar 2014
#20
I am often compelled to consider that Obama and family lives might have been threatened
2banon
Mar 2014
#105
Missing brother of Senator Mark Udall found dead in Wyoming (Keith Coffman 7-4-13 Reuters)
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#34
The US national security community has gotten away with murder right here for decades. Not
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#41
It's sad to see the Guardian stoop to this level of misrepresentation
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#35
***********************BULLSHIT ASS'D MISLEADING ARTICLE ALERT***********************
uponit7771
Mar 2014
#37
How about Obama just tells the CIA to release all the documents and let the chips fall
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#40
The fact there is anything to spy on shows Congress isn't completely transparent
treestar
Mar 2014
#60
Battle Rages Between CIA and Senate Intel Committee over Torture Report, Conflicting Intelligence
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#64
You folks really believe that Obama could be in charge of the "shadow government" when he
kelliekat44
Mar 2014
#66
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Octafish
Mar 2014
#68
Porter J. Goss's GESTAPO imo. No one can make this stuff up. You've got that pic of him and his
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#72
The National Security Archive's Torturing Democracy has many documents for those of US that want
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#74
A kick to further the discussion of the many domestic "precedents" taken against we, the people. n/t
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#75
Senator Udall: "The president has stated an unequivocal commitment to supporting..."
ProSense
Mar 2014
#77
Failing to investigate and prosecute torture is itself an international crime
Oilwellian
Mar 2014
#79
I like Sen. Udall but I do NOT understand why President Obama would want to spy on Congress.
jwirr
Mar 2014
#83
Since Frank Wisner Jr. is one of President Obama's "special envoys" this thread gets another kick
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#84
Just think Arab Spring, too big to fail, energy czars, we don't torture, land of the free, etc...
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#87
We (people) don't "...turn to Ergo for intelligence, political and risk analysis..." yet FedGov does
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#91
A bit of a historical kick-Constituitional lawyers like President Obama, Cass Sunstein, NSA, CIA
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#93
I thank Octafish for being the OP, Spencer Ackerman @ The Guardian, DU... n/t
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#112
So President Obama now is talking about what, exactly when it comes to we, the people
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#117