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riqster

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Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:04 AM Mar 2014

Reality, 2: Libertarianism, 0 [View all]

In response to some of the comments made by DU's Libertarian Caucus here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024616586 ,and Libertarians everywhere, I humbly submit today's post.

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/reality-2-libertarianism-0/

"In reality, Libertarianism NEVER works, because it is an overly simplistic theology, based on the erroneous assumption that we all have completely free choices at all times, free of any constraints. The ideas sometimes sound reasonable, but always fall apart when subjected to even the most cursory of examinations. Two examples today, since we haven’t time to write about them all:

Number A: cell phone usage on airplanes, currently not allowed. The policy is under review and in a public comments period (go here to weigh in with your opinion). A discussion erupted yesterday between those who are for and against, because, hey, Americans argue. The pro-loud-cellphone-user-everywhere Libertarians said, in brief, “tough s***, don’t fly. My right to dominate the space around me by bellowing into my Shoephone outweighs your right to sleep, concentrate, work, etc. ” When reasonable, rational adults attempted to point out that not everyone can just choose not to fly, the Libertarians kept saying “you chose this job, this family, this location to live, so AMFYOYO. Make different choices. Government should not be allowed to control my behavior.”

Letter 2: Libertarians think that men should not have to pay child support , since men have “no right to make reproductive choices”. This bit of twaddle is an offshoot of the “men’s rights movement", which Libertarians love. They are demanding the ability to choose to default on their obligations because they assume that the women they impregnate have the free choice to raise or not raise the baby, get an abortion or not, etcetera. The idea that these are easy choices available to every woman, everywhere, at all times is obvious nitwittery, of course, but Libertarians hold onto it nonetheless. (They also ignore the fact that men DO have the right to make choices: we can wear condoms, get our tubes tied, or just not f*** with someone who can get pregnant.)

These are but two examples of the obvious bankruptcy of Libertarian theology (you can claim it’s not a religion, but is sure as Hell acts like one). There are many others, like certain Bitcoin adherents, regulatory opposition, preeves who want to be able to marry their daughters and so on. Their argument is always “freedom” and is predicated on the idea that we all have unlimited freedom of choice because we have no limitations placed upon us by external factors. That assumption is, of course, composed of very high-grade fertilizer (anyone here ever take Econ 101? Big takeaway: “resources are scarce”) and like all concentrated fertilizer, it blows up when subjected to pressure.

Real life for real people is fraught with resource scarcity and limited choices. That is why businesses exist, governments exist, houses and clothing exist, medicine exists, and so on. Hell, it’s why cellphones exist, ferchrissakes. We do not live in an ideal world, and our solutions to the imperfections that surround us are likewise imperfect and full of restrictions. That, Gentle Reader, is what we in the Reality-Based Community call “Life”. Real Life.

Libertarians can try all they want to make reality fit into their ideology, but they will fail; just like the Flat-Earthers, Birthers, Truthers, and Science Deniers. Reality will always win in the end, no matter how hard you fight against it."


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Reality, 2: Libertarianism, 0 [View all] riqster Mar 2014 OP
Lemme just scoot in here and find a seat. Rex Mar 2014 #1
Yep, I put on my Asbestos Underoos before I posted it. riqster Mar 2014 #2
Thanks for the warning let me don my suit. Rex Mar 2014 #3
What the well-dressed Internet user will wear. riqster Mar 2014 #7
Good idea. HappyMe Mar 2014 #4
Libertarian philosophy is based on an oxymoron William Seger Mar 2014 #5
Nice way of putting it. Thanks! riqster Mar 2014 #6
I've always said it's based a two falsehoods: MurrayDelph Mar 2014 #9
Every Libertarian i've known William Seger Mar 2014 #14
True. Because they are fixated on what "should" be, riqster Mar 2014 #21
You nailed it wryter2000 Mar 2014 #48
Senator Elizabeth Warren is much more eloquent about Libertarianism. MicaelS Mar 2014 #8
She is almost always more eloquent than am I. riqster Mar 2014 #31
She is fucking awesome. zeemike Mar 2014 #44
Great post! Rider3 Mar 2014 #45
Pretty crappy to call me a libertarian, just because I am not annoyed by other people talking. FSogol Mar 2014 #10
Actually, I was referring to another poster. riqster Mar 2014 #11
When then, apology accepted. FSogol Mar 2014 #15
Quite understandable. No offense intended. riqster Mar 2014 #17
Next round is on me. FSogol Mar 2014 #20
This could end up like; riqster Mar 2014 #23
The thing is, YOU may not be bothered by the cell phone conversation cpwm17 Mar 2014 #12
So, because someone plays their music loud, we should ban all music? FSogol Mar 2014 #18
A minor quibble: riqster Mar 2014 #26
The airlines already police disruptions on their planes. They will continue to do so. n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #32
To the extent possible, yes. riqster Mar 2014 #34
I'm sure the changed regulation (not rule) will not include the phrase FSogol Mar 2014 #35
In theory, you are right. riqster Mar 2014 #37
Ever notice how the people who talk loudly and self-importantly on cell phones almost always Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #27
Remember "Fight Club" riqster Mar 2014 #29
Ha! Exactly. In fact, my husband has a friend he's known since grade school who Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #49
Public Libraries mostly do have regulations on Progressive dog Mar 2014 #13
No, libraries have rules, not regulations. FSogol Mar 2014 #16
No there isn't and they can kick you out, Progressive dog Mar 2014 #19
There is no government regulation on speech in libraries. FSogol Mar 2014 #22
Federal regulation, no. riqster Mar 2014 #24
I think DU needs a refresher course on the difference between rules and regulations. FSogol Mar 2014 #30
Point about the origin of the rule. riqster Mar 2014 #33
Ask your librarian who pays Progressive dog Mar 2014 #36
And yet, pot legalization and LGBT marriage equality are "libertarian" ideas, too. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #25
I love the last paragraph riqster Mar 2014 #28
K&R Borchkins Mar 2014 #38
AMFYOYO? nxylas Mar 2014 #39
The sanitized version is, riqster Mar 2014 #41
The cell phone debate comes down to people wanting to do whatever the hell they like all the time alarimer Mar 2014 #40
+1 riqster Mar 2014 #42
Well said. HappyMe Mar 2014 #46
+1 gollygee Mar 2014 #51
I guess it's fun to read junk like this if it's what you want to hear Bonx Mar 2014 #43
Contrary to the article, many libertarians I've argued with lately have been against women Rozlee Mar 2014 #47
If you go to the Wordpress blog link in the OP, riqster Mar 2014 #50
Yark! Rozlee Mar 2014 #52
Here is the worst part: riqster Mar 2014 #53
Not to worry. They are few and far between. Rozlee Mar 2014 #54
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