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34. Repeating myself now, but the judge (a woman) ruled based upon

Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:46 PM

Mar 2014

knowing the facts intimately as opposed to commentators here and elsewhere. I'm inclined to believe it, unless you have information to second-guess the ruling.

I already stated that ruling on giving back child support is not as clear, and if the money was spent on the care of the children, then no, I do not believe she should necessarily be ordered to pay it back.

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Woman ordered to give back child support after losing custody of kids because she had an abortion [View all] n2doc Mar 2014 OP

The children are likely better off with their father. closeupready Mar 2014 #1

Better off with the father, why? BainsBane Mar 2014 #2

Well.... bunnies Mar 2014 #10

Did she committ Fraud in court filings FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #51

There is no reference to that in the article BainsBane Mar 2014 #57

Why? upaloopa Mar 2014 #3

Do you think she's a bad mother? nt MrScorpio Mar 2014 #5

The judge, a woman also, made her ruling. In the absence closeupready Mar 2014 #30

That's all you got? nt MrScorpio Mar 2014 #36

That's all I need. closeupready Mar 2014 #41

Having an abortion does not reflect on parenting ability BainsBane Mar 2014 #46

Because she's ruling this way because she doesn't like that the woman had sex cui bono Mar 2014 #107

a female judge in NYC made one of the most sexist rulings ever last year geek tragedy Mar 2014 #37

So because she was a woman involved in a woman related issue LiberalFighter Mar 2014 #43

I'm seeing this alot on DU lately. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #65

Uhm, many women are anti-choice and despise women who have had abortions riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #84

Who cares if the judge is a woman? treestar Mar 2014 #105

Based on what? A woman had sex, became pregnant, and terminated the pregnancy. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #7

I could tell you how the judge probably see it but it was be ridiculous. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #50

Why would you think that? Marrah_G Mar 2014 #8

I'm inclined to trust the judge's ruling. She is also a woman. closeupready Mar 2014 #33

You forgot the most important point BainsBane Mar 2014 #48

no, you're not. you think that it's ok for the judge to rule cali Mar 2014 #54

+1 nt NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #109

Interesting, yet unsupported allegation you got there, little fella... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #71

Perhaps because he abused their mother? You seem to find that less egregious VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #106

so is Bachman and Palin JI7 Mar 2014 #128

you mean the abusive, prostitute-using father, right? and you think THAT is better parent niyad Mar 2014 #159

well, for starters he is a violent man Tumbulu Mar 2014 #160

Why are the children likely better off with their father? ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #9

I also would like an answer on this. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #16

Repeating myself now, but the judge (a woman) ruled based upon closeupready Mar 2014 #34

female judges can be sexist and misogynist assholes too, just as much as male ones geek tragedy Mar 2014 #38

Just like Michelle Bachman or Virginia Foxx LiberalFighter Mar 2014 #44

or the matriarch of the patriarchy, Phyllis Schlafly nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #49

Do you have any actual evidence this particular judge is a "misogynist asshole"? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #77

No, I was rebutting the claim that a judge should be presumed to be fair to women geek tragedy Mar 2014 #78

Seems to be a story from months ago, resurrected for its zombie apocalypse tour: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #81

judges who issue shitty rulings never like it when those rulings get attention geek tragedy Mar 2014 #83

Yes - she called the abortion 'relevant' (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #125

... Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Lori Sattler said she decided to allow the evidence struggle4progress Mar 2014 #142

And that is absolute bullshit kcr Mar 2014 #151

I don't know what her other testimony was struggle4progress Mar 2014 #154

Yes you do. It says it in the article kcr Mar 2014 #156

You have much greater faith in press accuracy than I do: I typically find I don't grasp struggle4progress Mar 2014 #157

Then why bother even reading news articles and commenting on them kcr Mar 2014 #158

But there's nothing about her ever denying she had an abortion muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #152

I don't know what her other testimony was struggle4progress Mar 2014 #155

so what if the judge was a woman. clarence thomas is black cali Mar 2014 #56

I find it more unlikely that the decision is misogynist than closeupready Mar 2014 #66

"I have seen no information about this female judge evidencing misogyny or sexism." redqueen Mar 2014 #73

Upon further reflection, I'd simply support Steve's argument below. closeupready Mar 2014 #75

I've heard women Judges give harsher rulings to other women. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #147

What if the judge is a Michelle Bachman/Sarah Palin-level conservative crusader? Maedhros Mar 2014 #61

"necessarily" WTF???? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #108

You're repeating yourself but you're still not answering the question. cui bono Mar 2014 #110

But we know the judge thought the abortion 'relevant', which is evidence of crappy judgement muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #124

That too treestar Mar 2014 #104

other than the fact that he's a man, on what do you base that? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19

That would be his reason lunasun Mar 2014 #35

Its obviously one of those MRA fanatics....just found an opportunity for cheering that a man VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #111

There is nothing in the record to even remotely support your opinion. dballance Mar 2014 #21

So you like your steak well done Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #27

Because he has money? get the red out Mar 2014 #28

Hit and run? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #29

why? do explain why the children are better off with the father cali Mar 2014 #53

And the very first reply to this thread is an example of what makes DU suck. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #141

Disgusting ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #4

Judge Needs To Be Beaten with Sticks In A Public Square, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #6

What Mag Said ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #24

Thank You, Professor! A Pleasure To See You About The Place The Magistrate Mar 2014 #26

Oh, I've Been Here ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #63

if only I could rec your post. n/t cali Mar 2014 #58

The bias reeks from the judge: Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #11

The judge's bias is just awful! dballance Mar 2014 #23

Horrible for the young woman..clear bias, imo. Hope it works out for her. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #25

Well that was disturbing to read,the judge sufrommich Mar 2014 #12

After reading the article I'd be on her side. Xyzse Mar 2014 #13

The Judge putting too much weight to the warrant46 Mar 2014 #31

Clearly the judge is anti-choice and is ruling based on her own biases nt riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #85

+1 warrant46 Mar 2014 #153

Not enough info PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #14

The level of child support has to meet a minimum standard Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #47

So I read the article pipi_k Mar 2014 #15

One would imagine that mental health information would have been offered in court ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #17

Sometimes things get brought up pipi_k Mar 2014 #39

The ruling has to be made on evidence submitted. cui bono Mar 2014 #112

Things that are not submitted as evidence cannot be ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #146

"her other two children"? LeftyMom Mar 2014 #18

And pipi_k Mar 2014 #40

She had a first trimester abortion. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #52

And so pipi_k Mar 2014 #88

My pregnancy losses (note the plural) were later than yours and later than that woman's abortion. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #91

Oh, we're going to play pipi_k Mar 2014 #99

You can call your pregnancy whatever you want, you don't get to define hers. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #101

I was "defining her pregnancy"??? pipi_k Mar 2014 #118

You know you're not fooling anybody, right? LeftyMom Mar 2014 #121

Good job there Lefty. JimDandy Mar 2014 #130

Oh good grief. It was not a child and you don't JimDandy Mar 2014 #127

We all have the right to think of our own pregnancies as children if we want gollygee Mar 2014 #93

Sigh... pipi_k Mar 2014 #100

No. You are posting on a public message board. cui bono Mar 2014 #117

I don't mind pipi_k Mar 2014 #129

However she may choose to define her aborted fetus Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #148

+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #114

While you may feel that emotionally, scientifically it just isn't so. cui bono Mar 2014 #113

Did I ever pipi_k Mar 2014 #132

Because she only has two children. Not two "other" children. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #139

The judges ruling was specific,she was sufrommich Mar 2014 #20

That doesn't mean pipi_k Mar 2014 #45

yes, it does mean there was nothing else- at least as far as what was presented legally. cali Mar 2014 #59

And the qualifying pipi_k Mar 2014 #89

what was legally presented is the only thing that is considered in a courtroom cali Mar 2014 #92

Because pipi_k Mar 2014 #95

This is a legal ruling of a court of law. cui bono Mar 2014 #119

OK, you're right... pipi_k Mar 2014 #133

Your words, not mine. cui bono Mar 2014 #140

why in the world was a supeona for HER health records relevant....shouldn't HIS health VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #115

HOW did he get ahold of her medical records??!? alittlelark Mar 2014 #150

Why is ANYONE surprised that Mia Farrow's attorney would engage in such tactics???? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #22

It's not enough an accused child molester is still free, with small children in his home BainsBane Mar 2014 #55

Indeed--having a long memory for the piece of shit attorney whose tactics were cheered when msanthrope Mar 2014 #62

This decision was made by the judge BainsBane Mar 2014 #135

You don't know he's a child molester. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #120

Wow. SheilaT Mar 2014 #32

Even worse. The man gets to go have illegal sex. cui bono Mar 2014 #123

"Illegal sex"? Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #134

Not sure but the referee at the session flagged him. cui bono Mar 2014 #137

Got it. Missed that portion of the story. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #144

He paid a prostitute for sex, which is illegal gollygee Mar 2014 #138

... Sattler allowed the evidence in over the objections of Lisa�s lawyers, who contended struggle4progress Mar 2014 #42

It showed she was a bad catholic, and that she did't have men over but went to their place and uppityperson Mar 2014 #68

It's an ugly high-profile divorce case with both attorneys hoping to use the press for advantage struggle4progress Mar 2014 #69

I don't recall the wife testifying that she had taken a vow of chastity nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #79

Taxes pay experts in matrimonial law, like Justice Lori Sattler, to sort out these ugly divorces struggle4progress Mar 2014 #86

NYC judges get their positions based on political connections, not expertise geek tragedy Mar 2014 #90

The ruling is obviously ridiculous. I'm just surprised that anyone is surprised that a custody stevenleser Mar 2014 #60

+100. I should have known better than closeupready Mar 2014 #67

YEP I called it...Men's Rights Activists.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #122

So you agree with the ruling or you agree with stevenleser who says it's crazy? cui bono Mar 2014 #126

Your views on custody hearings are... interesting. redqueen Mar 2014 #76

would you favor a legal presumption that domestic violence makes a geek tragedy Mar 2014 #80

No,this isn't about this messy divorce case,it's sufrommich Mar 2014 #82

This is an anti-choice judge allowing her biases' to come into play with her ruling riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #87

This is just wrong proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #64

This isn't shit but a nasty cat fight!! mstinamotorcity2 Mar 2014 #70

There has to be more to this... deathrind Mar 2014 #72

I believe you are right. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #74

It's been my experience pipi_k Mar 2014 #94

Why in the hell should she give back child support that was used ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #96

I am just happy that this was not in Texas Gothmog Mar 2014 #97

So this is what I missed out on . . . Brigid Mar 2014 #98

The state of New York must have standards for custody orders treestar Mar 2014 #102

Why does a legal medical procedure cause someone to lose custody of her children? n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #103

Let's assume there is more to this story than presented penultimate Mar 2014 #116

This is just judicial slut shaming Warpy Mar 2014 #131

that's basically it. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #143

+1 LAGC Mar 2014 #149

This website is a copyright infringement of the UK tabloid Daily Mail alp227 Mar 2014 #136

read my byline. n/t n2doc Mar 2014 #145

I'm guessing that the $50,000 kiva Mar 2014 #161