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In reply to the discussion: Wow, really, are Democrats now a party that want to gut Social Security in favor of tax cuts? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)49. FactCheck.org: Bachmann wrong that payroll tax cut hurts the SS Trust Fund.
http://factcheck.org/2011/12/bachmann-wrong-on-social-security-jobs-debt/
Bachmann said she didnt support last years payroll tax cut, because it took money from the Social Security trust fund and put senior citizens at risk. But thats not true. The Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees said that the tax cut would have no financial impact on the trust fund.
Bachmann, Dec. 18: Well, I didnt support it a year ago when it was first proposed, and the reason why I didnt is because it, it denied $111 billion to the Social Security trust fund. I didnt think that that was a good thing to do last year. I dont think its a good thing to do this year. ts put senior citizens at risk by denying the $111 billion to the Social Security trust fund.
Reducing the Social Security payroll taxes paid by employees by 2 percentage points (to 4.2 percent) obviously brings in less money for Social Security. But the trust fund isnt suffering as a result. The government must cover the shortfall with general fund money.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the tax cut, passed in December 2010, would reduce Social Security revenues by about $115 billion in fiscal 2011 and 2012. Again, that shortfall will be covered by the general fund. The trust fund isnt being denied any money, as Bachmann claimed.
Congress and the White House are now working to pass an extension of this tax cut, and arguing over how to pay for it. Paying for it, of course, would mean the trust fund again wont be shortchanged.
Bachmann said she didnt support last years payroll tax cut, because it took money from the Social Security trust fund and put senior citizens at risk. But thats not true. The Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees said that the tax cut would have no financial impact on the trust fund.
Bachmann, Dec. 18: Well, I didnt support it a year ago when it was first proposed, and the reason why I didnt is because it, it denied $111 billion to the Social Security trust fund. I didnt think that that was a good thing to do last year. I dont think its a good thing to do this year. ts put senior citizens at risk by denying the $111 billion to the Social Security trust fund.
Reducing the Social Security payroll taxes paid by employees by 2 percentage points (to 4.2 percent) obviously brings in less money for Social Security. But the trust fund isnt suffering as a result. The government must cover the shortfall with general fund money.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the tax cut, passed in December 2010, would reduce Social Security revenues by about $115 billion in fiscal 2011 and 2012. Again, that shortfall will be covered by the general fund. The trust fund isnt being denied any money, as Bachmann claimed.
Congress and the White House are now working to pass an extension of this tax cut, and arguing over how to pay for it. Paying for it, of course, would mean the trust fund again wont be shortchanged.
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Wow, really, are Democrats now a party that want to gut Social Security in favor of tax cuts? [View all]
MadHound
Dec 2011
OP
Who would have guessed Obama would have to make concessions with Rs to pass a tax cut?
LonePirate
Dec 2011
#1
Not all, I agree. But enough establishment types would. And they call the shots.
Bogart
Dec 2011
#34
Krugman supports a lot of things, like trillions of dollars of money printing to get us out of our
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#38
My point is that we wouldn't have to worry about inflation if the Fed embraced more QE.
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#83
You aren't bolstering your case that there is a non-zero probabilty that any other form of stimulus
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#86
This is really basic stuff. The White House does not pass legislation. The Senate (alone) does not
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#94
If you are going to spend tax money to stimulate the economy, you should get the most return
MadHound
Dec 2011
#74
Democrats would support it if it were the only counter-cyclical stimulus available.
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#85
He's a very good economist who USED to work for the Obama administration. What he said is factual.
jenmito
Dec 2011
#53
Why believe facts? It's what you feel must be the case that counts, I guess?
stevenleser
Dec 2011
#69
Exactly, which is why Al Gore in 2000 talked about a lockbox. All funding is subject to congress'
stevenleser
Dec 2011
#70
Should have bolded "Again, that shortfall will be covered by the general fund".
jtuck004
Dec 2011
#55
By covering the shortage with the general fund, they are putting it on the chopping block
Doctor_J
Dec 2011
#68
Its always on the chopping block as is all government funding. Congress always has the power to put
stevenleser
Dec 2011
#71
Single Issue GOPer tactic...Moot Fighting at its best...its ALL MOOT.....Ya will never unnerstan
opihimoimoi
Dec 2011
#60
Why did you lump the liberals with the Democrats? IMO the Democratic party is far from liberal.
rhett o rick
Dec 2011
#64
Huh? "....not be a position that any Democrat, liberal or progressive is in favor of"
great white snark
Dec 2011
#66
Well I certainly dont align myself with Democrats that passed NSAA, vote for the
rhett o rick
Dec 2011
#73
This is only about the 15th predicted death of Social Security in the last 2 years.
JoePhilly
Dec 2011
#81
Well, speaking as objectively as I can, from posts I have read, Prosense is at least the one, there
Dragonfli
Dec 2011
#75
Actually more, a dozen that come immediately to mind yes, because they post like addicts
Dragonfli
Dec 2011
#78
I find it impossible to believe you could find more than a dozen posters who have never criticized
Robb
Dec 2011
#79
I thought we were discussing President Obama's policies and their blind support?
Dragonfli
Dec 2011
#84
Since there are probably roughly 50-60 regular active posters, and around 20 or so
Doctor_J
Dec 2011
#96