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Octafish

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46. Secret Government is Democracy's most pressing problem.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:54 PM
Mar 2014

1.) No public oversight.

2.) No public accountability.

3.) Secret Enemies.

4.) Secret Privilege.

Chris Hedges found something Hannah Arendt once observed that bears repeating until the cockroaches are all gone:



The Last Gasp of American Democracy

By Chris Hedges
TruthDig.org, Posted on Jan 5, 2014

EXCERPT...

The most radical evil, as Hannah Arendt pointed out, is the political system that effectively crushes its marginalized and harassed opponents and, through fear and the obliteration of privacy, incapacitates everyone else. Our system of mass surveillance is the machine by which this radical evil will be activated. If we do not immediately dismantle the security and surveillance apparatus, there will be no investigative journalism or judicial oversight to address abuse of power. There will be no organized dissent. There will be no independent thought. Criticisms, however tepid, will be treated as acts of subversion. And the security apparatus will blanket the body politic like black mold until even the banal and ridiculous become concerns of national security.

I saw evil of this kind as a reporter in the Stasi state of East Germany. I was followed by men, invariably with crew cuts and wearing leather jackets, whom I presumed to be agents of the Stasi—the Ministry for State Security, which the ruling Communist Party described as the “shield and sword” of the nation. People I interviewed were visited by Stasi agents soon after I left their homes. My phone was bugged. Some of those I worked with were pressured to become informants. Fear hung like icicles over every conversation.

The Stasi did not set up massive death camps and gulags. It did not have to. The Stasi, with a network of as many as 2 million informants in a country of 17 million, was everywhere. There were 102,000 secret police officers employed full time to monitor the population—one for every 166 East Germans. The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls. The East German government pioneered the psychological deconstruction that torturers and interrogators in America’s black sites, and within our prison system, have honed to a gruesome perfection.

[font color="green"]The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant. [/font green]

The object of efficient totalitarian states, as George Orwell understood, is to create a climate in which people do not think of rebelling, a climate in which government killing and torture are used against only a handful of unmanageable renegades. The totalitarian state achieves this control, Arendt wrote, by systematically crushing human spontaneity, and by extension human freedom. It ceaselessly peddles fear to keep a population traumatized and immobilized. It turns the courts, along with legislative bodies, into mechanisms to legalize the crimes of state.

CONTINUED...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105



A GESTAPO, Harry Truman observed. If they're not NAZI, they're sure fascistic cockroaches.

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It's ALL a big deal. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #1
Udall and Wyden were pretty much alone before Snowden made headlines. Octafish Mar 2014 #16
and obvious who is working for who. Great post. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #25
Excellent post, Octafish. I do not understand how ANYONE who calls themselves and American, can even sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #89
Probably (nt) bigwillq Mar 2014 #2
If he was, there's a problem. If he wasn't, there's a problem. Octafish Mar 2014 #18
AMEN...and AMEN MindMover Mar 2014 #76
Fascists with the Rainbow Coaltion of Racists 1%er's of Fundamental Greed-neo-lib's/ Third Way=Third bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #100
The Shadow Government must keep a watchful eye Downwinder Mar 2014 #3
They will know where to find us when they round us up Enthusiast Mar 2014 #4
If you look around there are some that they cannot find. Downwinder Mar 2014 #5
Secret Government is Democracy's most pressing problem. Octafish Mar 2014 #46
The tail wagging the dog. Evidenced by the increased militarization Downwinder Mar 2014 #55
It's a given. jsr Mar 2014 #73
Shockingly, Udall is Third Way. joshcryer Mar 2014 #6
None of them are clean. sibelian Mar 2014 #7
CIA spied on US Senate oversight committee Octafish Mar 2014 #51
The quote provided does not say what you and the Guardian claim it says. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #8
No mistake, Udall is to whom the headline refers. Octafish Mar 2014 #9
The article's title claims something Udall's quote does not allege. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #12
Damn! Way to go a thousand miles around to avoid the point which is the rogue nature of the security TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #10
The article is trying to hype the story while misleading readers. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #11
The title has nothing to do ProSense Mar 2014 #14
Its a great example of why I don't trust the Guardian's reporting. nt JoePhilly Mar 2014 #15
+1 n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #17
+1...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #29
+1, Obama had nothing to do with the spying itself uponit7771 Mar 2014 #36
Right, that we know about. And the whistleblowers. Octafish Mar 2014 #48
The Guardian did its job. randome Mar 2014 #33
Yeah, it's weird behavior fascisthunter Mar 2014 #32
I agree with Joe Philly creeksneakers2 Mar 2014 #78
+1 nt bunnies Mar 2014 #30
+1...I thought "As you are aware" meant Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #31
Yeah. I tried this line of reasoning. This group braying Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #63
Poor Rex Mar 2014 #97
Oh. Is it a "big deal" now? Because we weren't supposed to care when they were merely spying Romulox Mar 2014 #13
That was my first thought, too. woo me with science Mar 2014 #23
It's double plus good. Octafish Mar 2014 #47
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #19
Transparency must mean something other than what I thought it meant. Octafish Mar 2014 #50
George Orwell Was A Friggin Genious... WillyT Mar 2014 #59
And in Hell, Nixon was heard to say "Well that's a great weight off my shoulders!" kenny blankenship Mar 2014 #20
Joint Chiefs and CIA were on Nixon's ass for making nice to China. Octafish Mar 2014 #43
I just read your posts at those links.. I keep learning stuff I didn't know. 2banon Mar 2014 #104
It is truly amazing how deeply the hole goes Aerows Mar 2014 #109
Let the Sunshine In 2banon Mar 2014 #111
K & R AzDar Mar 2014 #21
Obama rejected calls to prosecute Bush administration officials Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #22
The truth is ugly. nt woo me with science Mar 2014 #24
“The truth is ugly: Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #26
Ah, but woo me with science Mar 2014 #49
no matter who we elect it seems the cia,mic run things questionseverything Mar 2014 #27
+1 nt Zorra Mar 2014 #86
Upon the suggestion of Cass SUNSTEIN... Octafish Mar 2014 #42
Creepy and authoritarian beyond words. woo me with science Mar 2014 #44
And Nancy P bigwillq Mar 2014 #52
Wasn't the first time. Going by the look of things, it won't be the last. Octafish Mar 2014 #58
I am often compelled to consider that Obama and family lives might have been threatened 2banon Mar 2014 #105
Hmmmmmmm,,, kentuck Mar 2014 #28
Missing brother of Senator Mark Udall found dead in Wyoming (Keith Coffman 7-4-13 Reuters) bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #34
So now DU has come to the point Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #38
All one can do is laugh Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #39
The US national security community has gotten away with murder right here for decades. Not bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #41
Well He Does Enjoy House of Cards otohara Mar 2014 #94
see post 41 n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #95
It's sad to see the Guardian stoop to this level of misrepresentation struggle4progress Mar 2014 #35
the CIA hired contractors to read the 6.2 M pages to see if... grasswire Mar 2014 #101
***********************BULLSHIT ASS'D MISLEADING ARTICLE ALERT*********************** uponit7771 Mar 2014 #37
Compared to what? Octafish Mar 2014 #45
How about Obama just tells the CIA to release all the documents and let the chips fall Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #40
Kind of interesting the CIA should not spy on Congress treestar Mar 2014 #53
Except the CIA isn't Congress's boss. Octafish Mar 2014 #56
The fact there is anything to spy on shows Congress isn't completely transparent treestar Mar 2014 #60
Can you believe we have supposed Dems condoning the CIA spying on Congress? Rex Mar 2014 #99
With heavy emphasis on "Supposed". RC Mar 2014 #114
the point was, why should Congress have anything to hide? treestar Mar 2014 #115
Wow. Rex Mar 2014 #98
Has it occurred to anyone sadoldgirl Mar 2014 #54
''Money trumps peace.'' -- George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Mar 2014 #57
Yep. A belated welcome to DU sadoldgirl! n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #62
Investigate the Entire Torture Team (Center for Constitutional Rights) bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #61
Battle Rages Between CIA and Senate Intel Committee over Torture Report, Conflicting Intelligence bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #64
So five days later there still isn't a clarification or retraction... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #65
They were five days early. Octafish Mar 2014 #70
Nothing in the MJ piece asserts Obama knew about or directed Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #71
This story has been relegated to the backburner.. MinM Mar 2014 #90
You folks really believe that Obama could be in charge of the "shadow government" when he kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #66
Speaking for me, and vouching for others, we tried to warn him... Octafish Mar 2014 #69
^^^ (n/t) spin Mar 2014 #107
bttt n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #67
Reid disappointed CIA 'apparently unrepentant' for what he understands they did Octafish Mar 2014 #68
Porter J. Goss's GESTAPO imo. No one can make this stuff up. You've got that pic of him and his bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #72
The National Security Archive's Torturing Democracy has many documents for those of US that want bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #74
A kick to further the discussion of the many domestic "precedents" taken against we, the people. n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #75
Senator Udall: "The president has stated an unequivocal commitment to supporting..." ProSense Mar 2014 #77
Failing to investigate and prosecute torture is itself an international crime Oilwellian Mar 2014 #79
kick n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #80
I don't believe it. Rex Mar 2014 #81
kick n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #82
I like Sen. Udall but I do NOT understand why President Obama would want to spy on Congress. jwirr Mar 2014 #83
Obama did not order the spying. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #106
Okay, thank you. jwirr Mar 2014 #113
Since Frank Wisner Jr. is one of President Obama's "special envoys" this thread gets another kick bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #84
That is some coincidence. Octafish Mar 2014 #85
Just think Arab Spring, too big to fail, energy czars, we don't torture, land of the free, etc... bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #87
For Kleptocracy. Octafish Mar 2014 #88
We (people) don't "...turn to Ergo for intelligence, political and risk analysis..." yet FedGov does bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #91
bttt n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #92
A bit of a historical kick-Constituitional lawyers like President Obama, Cass Sunstein, NSA, CIA bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #93
* n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #96
thanks for staying on this, BtD. nt grasswire Mar 2014 #103
I thank Octafish for being the OP, Spencer Ackerman @ The Guardian, DU... n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #112
19 days later the Guardian STILL hasen't retracted or corrected it Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #102
The buck stops seveneyes Mar 2014 #108
I trust Jimmy Carter nilesobek Mar 2014 #110
And now to view this thread anonymously bobduca Mar 2014 #116
So President Obama now is talking about what, exactly when it comes to we, the people bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #117
This is a Senate oversite committee doing its job, finally. idendoit Mar 2014 #118
Woe kick... n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #119
Reform today- kick n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #120
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