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In reply to the discussion: Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, Sen. Udall claims [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)46. Secret Government is Democracy's most pressing problem.
1.) No public oversight.
2.) No public accountability.
3.) Secret Enemies.
4.) Secret Privilege.
Chris Hedges found something Hannah Arendt once observed that bears repeating until the cockroaches are all gone:
The Last Gasp of American Democracy
By Chris Hedges
TruthDig.org, Posted on Jan 5, 2014
EXCERPT...
The most radical evil, as Hannah Arendt pointed out, is the political system that effectively crushes its marginalized and harassed opponents and, through fear and the obliteration of privacy, incapacitates everyone else. Our system of mass surveillance is the machine by which this radical evil will be activated. If we do not immediately dismantle the security and surveillance apparatus, there will be no investigative journalism or judicial oversight to address abuse of power. There will be no organized dissent. There will be no independent thought. Criticisms, however tepid, will be treated as acts of subversion. And the security apparatus will blanket the body politic like black mold until even the banal and ridiculous become concerns of national security.
I saw evil of this kind as a reporter in the Stasi state of East Germany. I was followed by men, invariably with crew cuts and wearing leather jackets, whom I presumed to be agents of the Stasithe Ministry for State Security, which the ruling Communist Party described as the shield and sword of the nation. People I interviewed were visited by Stasi agents soon after I left their homes. My phone was bugged. Some of those I worked with were pressured to become informants. Fear hung like icicles over every conversation.
The Stasi did not set up massive death camps and gulags. It did not have to. The Stasi, with a network of as many as 2 million informants in a country of 17 million, was everywhere. There were 102,000 secret police officers employed full time to monitor the populationone for every 166 East Germans. The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls. The East German government pioneered the psychological deconstruction that torturers and interrogators in Americas black sites, and within our prison system, have honed to a gruesome perfection.
[font color="green"]The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism, is not, in the end, to discover crimes, but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population. And because Americans emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough evidence to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant. [/font green]
The object of efficient totalitarian states, as George Orwell understood, is to create a climate in which people do not think of rebelling, a climate in which government killing and torture are used against only a handful of unmanageable renegades. The totalitarian state achieves this control, Arendt wrote, by systematically crushing human spontaneity, and by extension human freedom. It ceaselessly peddles fear to keep a population traumatized and immobilized. It turns the courts, along with legislative bodies, into mechanisms to legalize the crimes of state.
CONTINUED...
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105
A GESTAPO, Harry Truman observed. If they're not NAZI, they're sure fascistic cockroaches.
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Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, Sen. Udall claims [View all]
Octafish
Mar 2014
OP
Excellent post, Octafish. I do not understand how ANYONE who calls themselves and American, can even
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#89
Fascists with the Rainbow Coaltion of Racists 1%er's of Fundamental Greed-neo-lib's/ Third Way=Third
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#100
Damn! Way to go a thousand miles around to avoid the point which is the rogue nature of the security
TheKentuckian
Mar 2014
#10
Oh. Is it a "big deal" now? Because we weren't supposed to care when they were merely spying
Romulox
Mar 2014
#13
And in Hell, Nixon was heard to say "Well that's a great weight off my shoulders!"
kenny blankenship
Mar 2014
#20
I am often compelled to consider that Obama and family lives might have been threatened
2banon
Mar 2014
#105
Missing brother of Senator Mark Udall found dead in Wyoming (Keith Coffman 7-4-13 Reuters)
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#34
The US national security community has gotten away with murder right here for decades. Not
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#41
It's sad to see the Guardian stoop to this level of misrepresentation
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#35
***********************BULLSHIT ASS'D MISLEADING ARTICLE ALERT***********************
uponit7771
Mar 2014
#37
How about Obama just tells the CIA to release all the documents and let the chips fall
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#40
The fact there is anything to spy on shows Congress isn't completely transparent
treestar
Mar 2014
#60
Battle Rages Between CIA and Senate Intel Committee over Torture Report, Conflicting Intelligence
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#64
You folks really believe that Obama could be in charge of the "shadow government" when he
kelliekat44
Mar 2014
#66
Reid disappointed CIA 'apparently unrepentant' for what he understands they did
Octafish
Mar 2014
#68
Porter J. Goss's GESTAPO imo. No one can make this stuff up. You've got that pic of him and his
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#72
The National Security Archive's Torturing Democracy has many documents for those of US that want
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#74
A kick to further the discussion of the many domestic "precedents" taken against we, the people. n/t
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#75
Senator Udall: "The president has stated an unequivocal commitment to supporting..."
ProSense
Mar 2014
#77
Failing to investigate and prosecute torture is itself an international crime
Oilwellian
Mar 2014
#79
I like Sen. Udall but I do NOT understand why President Obama would want to spy on Congress.
jwirr
Mar 2014
#83
Since Frank Wisner Jr. is one of President Obama's "special envoys" this thread gets another kick
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#84
Just think Arab Spring, too big to fail, energy czars, we don't torture, land of the free, etc...
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#87
We (people) don't "...turn to Ergo for intelligence, political and risk analysis..." yet FedGov does
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#91
A bit of a historical kick-Constituitional lawyers like President Obama, Cass Sunstein, NSA, CIA
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#93
I thank Octafish for being the OP, Spencer Ackerman @ The Guardian, DU... n/t
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#112
So President Obama now is talking about what, exactly when it comes to we, the people
bobthedrummer
Mar 2014
#117