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Laelth

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131. Quite.

Sat Mar 8, 2014, 11:49 AM

Mar 2014

Let's list our excuses for invading Iraq while we're at it. I find our public statements on the Crimean situation embarrassing due to their sheer hypocrisy.

-Laelth

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The clash in Crimea is the fruit of western expansion [View all] newthinking Mar 2014 OP

Shhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Mar 2014 #1

Neo-Nazi's in office is a first in post-war Europe KoKo Mar 2014 #31

Mmm. not quite MNBrewer Mar 2014 #132

Which was the fruit of USSR collapse which was Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #2

Well Played!! Kilgore Mar 2014 #3

Slow down... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #4

The West? Kilgore Mar 2014 #6

It's not the west that left the ex-Soviet Union people cold and hungry muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #7

And it was the Marcos family that exploited The Philippines for so long... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #8

I beg to differ... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #85

But the assets weren't scooped up by Westerners muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #93

The Russian oligarchs scooped up the assets - Russia has 95 billionaires. hack89 Mar 2014 #52

see above Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #86

The first crude steam engine was invented while the Brits were still painting themselves blue Fumesucker Mar 2014 #10

Calling that an 'engine' is pushing it - what did it do? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #11

Converted thermal energy to mechanical energy n/t Fumesucker Mar 2014 #13

I do that too. But I'm not an engine. More like a 4-in-1 conversion device from Husky tools. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #14

It turned itself around. It didn't turn anything else around. muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #26

Proximate cause... truth2power Mar 2014 #27

Great article. Rec'd. Very insightful Catherina Mar 2014 #5

You nailed it. Demeter Mar 2014 #12

Is this a joke post? joshcryer Mar 2014 #22

You say "Wait and see, Putin has backed himself into a corner"... truth2power Mar 2014 #37

Putin has pissed away any kind of goodwill he had in Ukraine. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #41

Finally, You've hit the Nub of the issue of concern, but you don't seem to have given any 2banon Mar 2014 #80

Russia is not entitled to a 'sphere of influence' over its neighbors geek tragedy Mar 2014 #84

Russian Imperialism is no more or less deserving than Western Imperialism 2banon Mar 2014 #91

Are you really using a link from Russia Today to back your argument? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2014 #65

Thanks for link to Escobar post...! KoKo Mar 2014 #88

Fracking is not the saving grace folks think it is. go west young man Mar 2014 #126

All hail Vlad the Great! geek tragedy Mar 2014 #30

Geek, you can do better than that. I know you can. truth2power Mar 2014 #39

that person has called for Obama to be impeached on numerous geek tragedy Mar 2014 #40

Calling people "Putin fans" because you dont agree with them is childish. If you have a rhett o rick Mar 2014 #46

not childish, accurate geek tragedy Mar 2014 #50

Labeling people as "Putin fans" is an attempt to shame them into silence. If you disagree rhett o rick Mar 2014 #54

I do not recall you objecting to sneers at, for example, the BOG geek tragedy Mar 2014 #59

I think you might be confusing "line up behind Putin" with "dont show blind allegiance to rhett o rick Mar 2014 #117

you don't notice a correlation between the "Syria didn't use that poison gas" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #118

So what did happen in Ukraine? You seem to know what didnt happen. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #120

Ukrainians decided they had enough of the corrupt gangster President geek tragedy Mar 2014 #121

Many of us "Putinistas" as you call us... go west young man Mar 2014 #127

+1 treestar Mar 2014 #124

What one may see as attempt to shame others may also... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #108

Yeah, Putin wants to steal the money for himself instead. chrisa Mar 2014 #35

Crimea was 'transfered' in the 50's, but do you know how it came to have a majority Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #23

The Tatars are not indigenous, they're a fusion of nomadic groups from Genghis Khan's army Catherina Mar 2014 #62

Putin RAWKS! nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #25

He rides bears and has muscles! chrisa Mar 2014 #36

Man boobs are not muscle Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2014 #66

And those moobs were no doubt created by AMERICAN food. chrisa Mar 2014 #68

Man boobs are not muscle, their not? Throckmorton Mar 2014 #105

Exactly, and to be more specific: NATO's Nuclear Missiles installations in Poland 2banon Mar 2014 #43

+1 and lol, how's that scam of a missile defense shield coming along? Catherina Mar 2014 #75

all this crap courtesy of the American Tax Payers... sheesh. 2banon Mar 2014 #82

On the money. go west young man Mar 2014 #128

Good to see you posting again Catherina. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #48

Hi Rhett! Thanks for starting the Progressive Media Resources Group Catherina Mar 2014 #64

There's a progressive media resources group? Who knew? What's it under? i don't see it? eom truth2power Mar 2014 #109

Here you go, the "Progressive Media Resources Group" Catherina Mar 2014 #116

Thanks Catherina. I found it because someone PM'd me to ask that I post truth2power Mar 2014 #123

So quasi-socialist countries should invade countries they call fascist and carve off pieces? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #9

"fuck the EU" < We have only the wittiest, most professional people on these important affairs. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #15

That remark was only in the very limited context of the early stage of the Ukraine crisis. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #16

I am guessing most of them don't speak for the State Department who are paid by people that jtuck004 Mar 2014 #17

It is a dumb ass thing for a "diplomat" to say, at any time. bemildred Mar 2014 #38

Yes, not "diplomatic" or professional language or attitude, but it did not get us into Iraq. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #44

Yes, it did. That arrogance is exactly what got us into Iraq. bemildred Mar 2014 #57

lol Love it. ctsnowman Mar 2014 #18

+1. And on unsecured cell phones at that n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #67

Oh, for Christ's sake. Ukraine is responsible for Ukraine. Russia for Russia. randome Mar 2014 #19

The excuses for Russia invading and being on the brink of annexing Crimea are hilarious. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #20

Why do you think Russia invaded the Crimea? KoKo Mar 2014 #34

I think it is a simple face saving measure for his guy getting kicked out of Kyiv. stevenleser Mar 2014 #71

It doesn't bother you that Neo Cons were involved KoKo Mar 2014 #81

If you lose the war of ideas, you lose stevenleser Mar 2014 #90

Losing the War of Ideas.... KoKo Mar 2014 #101

Excuses for Provocations vis a vis NATO Missile installations in Poland are not so hilarious. 2banon Mar 2014 #45

NATO missiles in Poland = Excuse to invade a part of Ukraine? Yes, that's hilarious. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #70

Hilarious is it? You weren't alive during the Cuban Missile Crises... 2banon Mar 2014 #89

It's a confluence of many currents- that's one and cali Mar 2014 #21

+1 newfie11 Mar 2014 #24

Cali....Seumas Milne is a Reporter for the Guardian...here is his background: KoKo Mar 2014 #33

KoKo, It's classic propaganda. It fulfills all the elements cali Mar 2014 #49

Then what article would you point to that you've read to counter what KoKo Mar 2014 #63

Uhm. He is pretty much a biased party writing an opinion column Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #53

I agree with the fact that History is chock full of more egregious examples, but I disagree 2banon Mar 2014 #47

Russia invaded Crimea. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #28

Context sir, there's a bit more to the story, than "Russia invading" Crimea.. 2banon Mar 2014 #51

There are always excuses for unprovoked wars of aggression. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #72

Quite. Laelth Mar 2014 #131

That would work if it was Cheney or Bush saying it. Not me saying it. Not Barack Obama saying it. stevenleser Mar 2014 #133

Fair enough. Laelth Mar 2014 #135

The Guardian has to stick to the anti-US narrative come hell or high water... SidDithers Mar 2014 #29

Milne was infamous for gloating after the 9/11 attacks nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #32

I suppose you prefer the American Exceptionalism of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Fox. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #55

You can suppose whatever makes you happy...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #58

That's Milne, not The Guardian muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #79

True they are losing their reputation for objectivity at this point nt treestar Mar 2014 #125

"...new depths of self-parody" woo me with science Mar 2014 #42

I see that the actions of Russia have awakened the Neo-Cons both Repubs and Dems. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #56

I think it's more the actions of the Neocons have awakened Russia, bemildred Mar 2014 #60

Neocons, neolibs, what's the difference Catherina Mar 2014 #73

Damn little. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #74

It is an absurd fantasy to suppose that only Neocons object to Russia's behavior. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #61

I do not support Russian's actions. But I probably will disagree with the Neo-Con's rhett o rick Mar 2014 #77

as far as I can tell, virtually no one here is calling for war. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #78

No war, just a showdown with big guns and missiles. right. 2banon Mar 2014 #95

no, diplomatic and economic sanctions nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #96

And if that doesn't work out, what follows? 2banon Mar 2014 #97

more diplomacy, and if necessary a stand off nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #98

Yes, a Return to the "Cold War" status.. 2banon Mar 2014 #99

Ukraine can decide to opt out of being in Russia's sphere if it so chooses nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #100

true. do you think there will be a split? 2banon Mar 2014 #102

Crimea will become part of Russia, the rest will become firmly geek tragedy Mar 2014 #103

In Agreement. 2banon Mar 2014 #110

I've actually been thinking about that concept a lot... Pholus Mar 2014 #111

Along those lines.. 2banon Mar 2014 #113

your red baiting is disappointing to say the least. 2banon Mar 2014 #92

no one favors war with Russia here, no one. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #94

international law, sovereignty, territorial integrity and.... resources! Catherina Mar 2014 #69

I shouldn't say this... KoKo Mar 2014 #114

We see eye to eye on that Catherina Mar 2014 #115

I'm curious why people think this is somehow just propaganda LittleBlue Mar 2014 #76

Exactly! All Points Well Made. Your logical summation seems to be MIA with others here.. 2banon Mar 2014 #83

Here's the real propaganda. ctsnowman Mar 2014 #87

NATO is not in Ukraine and that was not on the agenda. EU is a trade bloc Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #104

Map of NATO LittleBlue Mar 2014 #106

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and on and on. It's nearly All NATO 2banon Mar 2014 #119

Maybe not in Ukraine, but in & Poland that's enough to stir shit up. 2banon Mar 2014 #112

Because the author is a Russia/Soviet apologist. ProSense Mar 2014 #107

Down to Earth Observation....! KoKo Mar 2014 #122

Great post n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #136

I am quite embarrased by our hypocrisy on this issue. Laelth Mar 2014 #129

If it was George W. Bush complaining, like he did with South Ossetia, you would have a point. stevenleser Mar 2014 #134

I knew it! Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #130