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2banon

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232. cognitive dissonance, perhaps.

Sat Mar 8, 2014, 03:09 PM

Mar 2014

It's been a few days since I wrote that post, and I've been striving to better understand the geopolitical components involved in this 'Clash of the Titans' drama being played out.

At first glance it seems complicated.. a number of players with competing agendas, each armed with their own propaganda mechanisms, media pundits, bloggers, etc spinning deceptive narratives in varying degrees depending on one's point of view.

But I don't think it's all that complicated, really. Not if a broader perspective is taken into account with regard to the unquenching thirst and desire for world dominance and economic hegemony.

There is no question in my mind that the West has greatly overstepped it's position with very predictable consequences. We have refused to heed the call for self-restraint when it comes to meddling with internal affairs of fledgling democracies in the region and simultaneously expanding military presence on the doorsteps of Russia vis a vis NATO.

The response to this 'nose thumbing' from one imperialist to the other is perfectly predictable.

While we wait for the Second Act of this drama to commence, maybe some level of rational thought will prevail, one hopes.

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oh for the love of reason. No one is running around DU praising Putin [View all] cali Mar 2014 OP

K&R Cleita Mar 2014 #1

HE'S HOMOPHOBIC AND STUFF. sibelian Mar 2014 #2

You want to get rid of burka's?.....COTTON HATER!...is that kinda what you are seeing too? Drew Richards Mar 2014 #4

it's astonishingly stupid. cali Mar 2014 #5

What i've noticed... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #6

so true. it's how the very same people use Warren and Sanders cali Mar 2014 #7

Excellent observation. bvar22 Mar 2014 #15

What does that even mean? Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #78

Hmmmmm? I'm curious as well. Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #119

I guess so. I'm new here so I'll take your word for it! Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #136

I wouldn't take his/her word for it at all. Cali is 100% correct on this. Welcome to DU. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #193

Nobody is 100% correct on anything. I guarantee it? Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #196

Everyone will die in the end? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #200

Death, taxes, and Cali. Got it! Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #205

Not sure about taxes, we have an awful of Giant Corps who are too big to pay taxes. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #208

Done deal! Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #210

+1984. jsr Mar 2014 #9

Abso-frickin'. sibelian Mar 2014 #11

I thought all those got tombstoned? I remember the vileness of their replies but not the names Drew Richards Mar 2014 #75

I nuked a few when I was on mirt the day Chelsea's Mannings verdict came down. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #111

I served on mirt during the time of the verdict and saw so many hidden threads in my mailbox of hrmjustin Mar 2014 #113

Yep, some of those running around here with rainbow flag avatars QC Mar 2014 #176

Very telling. jsr Mar 2014 #180

Yep. Aerows Mar 2014 #184

That has been noticed by quite a few people QC. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #212

It's hard not to notice such blatant hypocrisy. QC Mar 2014 #220

Lol, 'it's enough to make a buzzard vomit'! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #221

They're basically the same group that told gay people to just shut-up about Rick Warren. Marr Mar 2014 #204

IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE A TWO MINUTE PRAYER!1!!!111 QC Mar 2014 #222

I get accused of being a Putinista all the time. go west young man Mar 2014 #224

But he still wants other men to admire his bare chest. Kablooie Mar 2014 #26

Well, I don't particularly. I've seen better. sibelian Mar 2014 #36

Knowing that Bush looked into his eyes and saw something Awesome? Pholus Mar 2014 #72

Could it be his Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #122

Fwah! How may personality flaws can you fit into one mind? sibelian Mar 2014 #171

I'm sorry. Isoldeblue Mar 2014 #211

Putin on the Ritz trusty elf Mar 2014 #64

too fucking funny navarth Mar 2014 #84

I smell hair burning. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #88

LOL! Aerows Mar 2014 #112

That NEVER gets old NuclearDem Mar 2014 #117

It doesn't. I laugh out loud every time. nt Nay Mar 2014 #178

You deserve to be worshipped for that...! nt MADem Mar 2014 #155

Oh, MADem, you're a sweetie. trusty elf Mar 2014 #174

Sweet suffering swamplands, that is frigging hilarious!!!!!! nt MADem Mar 2014 #175

You should make his moobs jump, too Aerows Mar 2014 #188

Isn't he dead center in the spectrum of Russian Orthodox politics? Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #31

I don't know, but that is an interesting question. 2banon Mar 2014 #104

He is indeed a homophobic asshole bluestateguy Mar 2014 #79

He's not that different from the rest of Europe or Africa. Or Ukraine and Crimea. aquart Mar 2014 #157

Good post TransitJohn Mar 2014 #3

+1000 Cleita Mar 2014 #8

It's like you have to scream to talk to the other adults... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #34

+1 warrant46 Mar 2014 #54

+ another 1 nt riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #120

+ 1 to the power of 64 for the "chess-lovers" n/t Aerows Mar 2014 #186

Now let's not get hasty. If we concentrate on hating Russia, it will make taking the rhett o rick Mar 2014 #10

we found out this week that the nsa has enabled their british counterparts questionseverything Mar 2014 #12

Yuppers TM99 Mar 2014 #135

How dare you question the NSA Aerows Mar 2014 #189

Bingo! 2banon Mar 2014 #105

We got into a heated row over the nature of what privacy means a few days back Aerows Mar 2014 #191

I think it was a communication breakdown.. 2banon Mar 2014 #198

Please accept mine, as well Aerows Mar 2014 #201

you got it! 2banon Mar 2014 #202

I know what you are also Aerows Mar 2014 #203

You express... KoKo Mar 2014 #231

Always the same group. woo me with science Mar 2014 #13

if they were even a little bit honest what they'd be saying cali Mar 2014 #14

ha. I was about to post that: Always the same group! Whisp Mar 2014 #21

as if that made any sense, whisp, old pal. cali Mar 2014 #24

Yep. ALWAYS THE SAME GROUP Number23 Mar 2014 #67

logic is your friend. well, it could be if you used any. cali Mar 2014 #69

Your need to be so damn insulting with every single post is just about one of the unncessary Number23 Mar 2014 #83

You're dealing with one who can't wait to get to 100K posts. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #96

As miserable as that sounds, I still don't know if that sums it up Number23 Mar 2014 #97

Ah... speaking of missions... cui bono Mar 2014 #162

You REALLY don't know how you look Number23 Mar 2014 #164

bwahahahah. pot, kettle. you, my dear number, should never preach about cali Mar 2014 #179

Is there some deja vu? Or hasn't this already been covered in this thread? Number23 Mar 2014 #197

Pot.... meet kettle. cui bono Mar 2014 #146

The second, and I mean the SECOND I need, want or am remotely interested in your advice on how to Number23 Mar 2014 #151

Yet another hypocritical statement from you. cui bono Mar 2014 #152

I'm sure that made perfect sense in your head. Number23 Mar 2014 #154

Cali Cali Cali. Puglover Mar 2014 #102

Some people you just put on ignore Aerows Mar 2014 #114

Oh I don't Puglover Mar 2014 #116

It is Aerows Mar 2014 #118

Thanks for that! Number23 Mar 2014 #121

LOL Puglover Mar 2014 #123

Oh, it really was! I mean telling as in "reinforcing the lack of character I already knew existed" Number23 Mar 2014 #124

You feeling okay 23? Puglover Mar 2014 #126

And normally this is the bit where you drag in totally unrelated stuff to try to slime someone Number23 Mar 2014 #129

Oh be my guest. Puglover Mar 2014 #130

And the next time (more like the first time) I jump into a thread and post an exchange you had Number23 Mar 2014 #131

Oh wow! Puglover Mar 2014 #132

You're welcome, honey Number23 Mar 2014 #133

No slinking 23. Puglover Mar 2014 #173

No Tivo, huh? Number23 Mar 2014 #195

Speaking of alerts..... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #125

Awww... what a shame Number23 Mar 2014 #127

Totally agree with the jury. Puglover Mar 2014 #128

As I have told you repeatedly, Number23, I have never alerted on any of your posts. Marr Mar 2014 #143

Sounds familiar Union Scribe Mar 2014 #134

jesus christ cali, must you personally insult most of the people who respond to you? dionysus Mar 2014 #139

Completely illogical. cui bono Mar 2014 #144

I don't expect anything from you. And you've never disappointed. Not that I often Number23 Mar 2014 #145

Because this is a public message board? cui bono Mar 2014 #147

So because this is a public message board, you think that I or anyone else gives a flying damn Number23 Mar 2014 #149

It's not a personal message board. Where you got that idea is beyond me. cui bono Mar 2014 #150

I don't need or care about your props. Keep them. Seriously Number23 Mar 2014 #153

Do you really not see how rude and insulting you are, or attempt to be? cui bono Mar 2014 #156

You needlessly leapt into this conversation being as nasty and insulting Number23 Mar 2014 #159

I have yet to be nasty and insulting. In fact, I gave you a compliment. cui bono Mar 2014 #161

You have been REPEATEDLY nasty, insulting and most of all you have been PERSONAL Number23 Mar 2014 #163

Can you quote my nastiness (as nasty as I could possible be) please? And quote my "demand"? cui bono Mar 2014 #165

And I just realized, the admins don't even do the unexplained edit thing anymore so you actually Number23 Mar 2014 #167

No. You are completely wrong about that. cui bono Mar 2014 #168

Kicking this for you since you didn't notice my other reply here. cui bono Mar 2014 #183

Don't look now but your character is showing. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #213

LOL!!! Still savoring that "victory" huh??? Number23 Mar 2014 #214

You think this is about a typo? No, this is about your false accusation and inability to apologize. cui bono Mar 2014 #216

You've shown your character or seriously lack therof as well in this thread as well as many, many Number23 Mar 2014 #217

Pictures and emoticons don't change the fact that you falsely accused me of creating cui bono Mar 2014 #218

Short and long time infiltrators with a disruption agenda. L0oniX Mar 2014 #37

Yup. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #87

My favorite is the gay-baiting Aerows Mar 2014 #40

DUer suppression. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #158

I think you hit and Cali have hit a nerve. Aerows Mar 2014 #46

And I'll bet I know just who sent that alert. Puglover Mar 2014 #106

Ass isn't nearly as pleasant Aerows Mar 2014 #109

LOL! Puglover Mar 2014 #110

Hit a nerve, "woo." 1000words Mar 2014 #47

Thumbs up to that jury. truedelphi Mar 2014 #57

Sometimes, it helps to stay out of the fray ... and just watch. 1000words Mar 2014 #66

i see you have discovered the technique called "projection". well done. dionysus Mar 2014 #71

Message was hidden by jury decision L0oniX Mar 2014 #89

+1, You can say that again. Marr Mar 2014 #141

"Full time." Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #177

DURec. bvar22 Mar 2014 #16

He's so dreamy. progressoid Mar 2014 #17

He could sharpen up a bit. sibelian Mar 2014 #18

I thought so too. There are men at my gym his age and Cleita Mar 2014 #28

From here it looks like he needs a bra! RKP5637 Mar 2014 #59

It's a "BRO" progressoid Mar 2014 #68

Got it! DDD BRO! That ought to do it! lol n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #77

He could really use a NoNo. L0oniX Mar 2014 #35

If Snowden loves Putin, there are those here that would mimic that. Whisp Mar 2014 #19

wow. what a crock, whisp. cali Mar 2014 #20

aw, so sweet, as usual. Whisp Mar 2014 #22

yep. I call out rank falsehoods and those who spew them. cali Mar 2014 #23

you can probably hire yourself out for a good penny Whisp Mar 2014 #25

uh, all it takes is observation, whisp. cali Mar 2014 #27

And then tries to distract with passive aggressive comments. zeemike Mar 2014 #82

+100 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #29

WTF are you talking about? Links? How about just a point, even without links? cui bono Mar 2014 #42

ha! Whisp Mar 2014 #49

uh, no. fail again, poor whisp cali Mar 2014 #50

now linking could be taken as a callout of a DUer/s Whisp Mar 2014 #53

bwahahaha. excuses, exuses, whispy. cali Mar 2014 #65

tsk tsk, always so angry. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #73

I conceded that I wouldn't get links, so just a post with a point will do. cui bono Mar 2014 #142

It's much like discussing international politics in a high school locker room. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #30

Yep, good call! I was thinking 7th grade playground, but yours is better! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #63

I think you're right - I cannot recall anyone praising Putin on DU. If anyone was - I missed it. Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #32

I think it's all about trying to get people to say how horrible Putin is cali Mar 2014 #33

They haven't got one. sibelian Mar 2014 #38

I know! why should Putin get hated on when there's always Obama to rag on Whisp Mar 2014 #51

wow. desperate much, my poor whisp? cali Mar 2014 #52

I see I am hitting nerves. Whisp Mar 2014 #56

wow. I bet you say that to your pro pal all the time, right? cali Mar 2014 #61

It all comes back to Obama. It really does. cui bono Mar 2014 #160

I spent the better part of this morning looking for these Putin as the Messiah posts... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #39

Yeah, I did a search too before posting the OP cali Mar 2014 #41

exactly so, it's just as much as b.s. as the so called Putin/Snowden lovers. 2banon Mar 2014 #58

Oh yeah? Well Steven Seagal thinks Putin is the bees knees. or so I've heard. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #43

Dennis Rodman is already booking a flight to visit Putin. L0oniX Mar 2014 #91

We all know the group who makes these claims and they have quite a bit of trouble with nuance cui bono Mar 2014 #44

it's even MisterP Mar 2014 #108

I haven't seen much open praise. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #45

links, please. cali Mar 2014 #48

impossible to provide a link to something that doesn't actually exist 2banon Mar 2014 #60

Here's an extra one for you. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #92

uh oh! you found one! 2banon Mar 2014 #94

Your response is disappointing, but not unexpected. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #95

I'm sorry, didn't you intend to prove that there were a number of Putin defenders? 2banon Mar 2014 #103

Great post. go west young man Mar 2014 #225

Thank you, I forgot I wrote that.. :) 2banon Mar 2014 #226

Underneath all this... go west young man Mar 2014 #228

cognitive dissonance, perhaps. 2banon Mar 2014 #232

Noam Chomsky is that you? go west young man Mar 2014 #236

I'll take that as high compliment! 2banon Mar 2014 #237

Have them. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #86

dont we have some kind of defense agreement Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #55

Nope. jsr Mar 2014 #148

Yes we do. go west young man Mar 2014 #227

Where does it say in New START that the U.S. is obligated to defend Ukraine? jsr Mar 2014 #230

Sorry about that... I misunderstood go west young man Mar 2014 #235

K&R!!! DeSwiss Mar 2014 #62

I Possess Enough Vile Contempt for My Own Elected Officials to fill bkanderson76 Mar 2014 #70

When do Obamas plans for nuclear war with russia take effect? AAO Mar 2014 #74

Kinda like, "You love Saddam? You wanna have SEX with Saddam?" Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #76

You want mad sex with Sadam's donkey herd. They found me out! L0oniX Mar 2014 #90

Can you imagine Android3.14 Mar 2014 #80

I didn't think anyone was. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #81

CNN State of the Union BetsysGhost Mar 2014 #85

Not running around, more like skulking Whisp Mar 2014 #93

When you are absolutely wrong, just keep doubling down. If that fails point to shadows TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #98

I have a keen idea of exactly who will be replying to me, in disbelief!! Whisp Mar 2014 #99

Please provide citation for Snowden running into the arms of Putin. cui bono Mar 2014 #166

kicking this thread frwrfpos Mar 2014 #100

there are people who are reflexively supporting whatever Putin or his flunkies at RT say geek tragedy Mar 2014 #101

there are people here who have pointed out the glaring nuance that keeps falling through the Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #137

That's nuanced, as opposed to geek tragedy Mar 2014 #138

Happens when hawks get a raging war boner. Iggo Mar 2014 #107

Wait 'til they find out that Vlad has cardboard boxes in his garage and red is his favortie color. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #115

. jsr Mar 2014 #140

Also, he's a narcissist. sibelian Mar 2014 #172

Really? You sure? PFunk Mar 2014 #169

No, it's not bullshit--you might want to talk to someone on MIRT. MADem Mar 2014 #170

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #181

kick for all the pig shit lying about how DUers are supporting Putin cali Mar 2014 #182

Would you agree that very few DUers are calling for US military intervention in Ukraine? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #185

I haven't seen any at all. sibelian Mar 2014 #206

The entire rhetoric has snowballed out of control. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #207

It's the pundits on the right who openly admire Putin. Orsino Mar 2014 #187

Pussy Riot: "Virgin Mary, Put Putin Away" and "Putin Will Teach You How To Love" Zorra Mar 2014 #190

I don't see support for Putin leftynyc Mar 2014 #192

Hmmm..that last sentence does not have enough passion in it...where are your parents from cali? Rex Mar 2014 #194

Can I just say, I looked at this thread without having logged in, by accident sibelian Mar 2014 #199

You can certainly say it..... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #209

What I'd like to know is why some are so committed to ginning up war hysteria BainsBane Mar 2014 #215

The justification for allowing Russia to be aggressive davidpdx Mar 2014 #219

If we want to help countries... go west young man Mar 2014 #229

Reread my post davidpdx Mar 2014 #233

I don't know what you mean by "anti-american rhetoric" 2banon Mar 2014 #234

Maybe America bashing really is a better way of putting it davidpdx Mar 2014 #238

They're doing a lot of praising of Putin over at FOX "NEWS". Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #223

I agree. another_liberal Mar 2014 #239

Kick! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #240

Still standing by this post??????????????? uhnope Jan 2015 #241