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X_Digger

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13. Self-defense claims have always hinged on 'reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm'

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:06 PM

Mar 2012

(Or some variation thereof, depending on state.)

And it's always been difficult to get probable cause when only one person is around to tell their side of the story. That's where the evidence at the scene, 911 tapes, witness reports, etc come into play.

But 'Stand you Ground' is no more implicated in this case than is the fifth amendment which says that the police have to be able to produce probable cause in order to arrest.

Absent SYG, Zimmerman would have simply claimed that he tried to retreat and was unable to do so. (Or that's what the police would have said that Zimmerman claimed.)

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There is REASONABLE doubt about Zimmerman's guilt....According to "Stand Your Ground" [View all] da_decider Mar 2012 OP

And there's REASONABLE suspicion... Iggo Mar 2012 #1

Lol. this just kills me. if you stalk and get in somebody's Solomon Mar 2012 #5

For him to found guilty, there should be "NO REASONABLE DOUBT". da_decider Mar 2012 #6

For him to be found guilty or not guilty... Iggo Mar 2012 #18

+1 DCBob Mar 2012 #26

to conclude that without knowing all the evidence and without a trial is ridiculous CreekDog Mar 2012 #43

Zimmerman initiated the entire fiasco. sendero Mar 2012 #48

According to the recording of Zimmerman's call, Trayvon approached, then RAN AWAY csziggy Mar 2012 #52

No, he was running away after that comment NutmegYankee Mar 2012 #2

If you imagine you are Martin as you read that transcript Solomon Mar 2012 #10

Zimmerman: "Go straight in. Oh, s***. He's running ... down towards the other entrance of neighborho Incitatus Mar 2012 #14

I wonder if he started running away... SidDithers Mar 2012 #24

Correct. You are speculating. On the other hand other people are mad because of what is on the Lint Head Mar 2012 #3

Zimmerman's father is a judge? PotatoChip Mar 2012 #30

Reports say that he is a retired Virginia Magistrate, yes. X_Digger Mar 2012 #41

"And I think I believe Zimmerman" DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #4

Was he lying before shooting? da_decider Mar 2012 #11

Yeah abelenkpe Mar 2012 #15

Justification? da_decider Mar 2012 #16

At the old DU I used to post things like that. Iggo Mar 2012 #19

lol obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #22

ty Iggo Mar 2012 #27

lol CatWoman Mar 2012 #37

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #32

u mad bro? Iggo Mar 2012 #33

Cat got your tongue? Iggo Mar 2012 #35

Okay then. Have a nice day. Iggo Mar 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author da_decider Mar 2012 #31

Indeed ...the SYG law is the real problem and that's where the focus should be now. L0oniX Mar 2012 #38

I doubt it.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #42

agreed da_decider Mar 2012 #44

The reason for all these shootings is easy access to guns!! Sancho Mar 2012 #7

You can certainly argue for much tighter restrictions on gun ownership. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #25

dear me, this poll doesn't really ask about reasonable regulations of guns, does it? CTyankee Mar 2012 #45

It's the same old tired poll posted time and time again, and it proves nothing. The fact of the apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #49

It's interesting. The poster hasn't even bothered to respond. Kinda crazy if you want to win a CTyankee Mar 2012 #50

Y'know, some of us do have lives outside of DU... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #53

I guess anyone can cherry pick any poll they want. I've seen support for regulation going up CTyankee Mar 2012 #55

You asked for documentation. I provided it. Where's *your* documentation? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #57

we are not going to agree no matter how many polls we put up. CTyankee Mar 2012 #60

Polls that "we" put up? As far as I can tell, I'm the only one who's provided documentation. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #61

And I referenced another Gallup poll that said something different in terms of public support of CTyankee Mar 2012 #62

Saying that it exists isn't documentation. Link, please. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #63

I've been down this road before with other gun supporters and it always ends up CTyankee Mar 2012 #65

Good heavens, that's lame. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #68

You are boring me. Just as I thought. CTyankee Mar 2012 #71

And yet you took the time to post that for all to see... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #72

I was so hoping...hoping...that this would go differently than the arguments from your side CTyankee Mar 2012 #73

What exactly were you hoping would be different? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #74

You provided me with the same old, same old. Been there. Seen that. CTyankee Mar 2012 #75

If this is so tiresome and boring...why do you keep responding? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #76

oh my goodness, and here I've been so NICE to you... CTyankee Mar 2012 #78

Here's one general poll on gun regulation.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #58

I dissent. I want laws enforced and stronger laws. CTyankee Mar 2012 #66

Dissent away! The chance of significant gun control being passed at the national level is somewhere Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #69

what have i been trying to tell you, buddy? CTyankee Mar 2012 #70

I would say that mandatory adminsitration of the MMPI should happen coalition_unwilling Mar 2012 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #8

There is probable cause for Zimmerman to be charged. earthside Mar 2012 #9

"Zimmerman is accorded the presumption of innocence in our 'legal' system" ...the mob disagrees... L0oniX Mar 2012 #39

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2012 #67

If Trayvon's body was right next to Zimmermans truck, that might be an argument he could make. Incitatus Mar 2012 #12

Self-defense claims have always hinged on 'reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm' X_Digger Mar 2012 #13

That should be determined by a jury not a cop. DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #17

No, Zimmerman approached him obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #20

Z was in a car - Trayvon was possibly walking his way on his way home. jwirr Mar 2012 #21

The law may prevent justice, in this case MNBrewer Mar 2012 #23

good, then he should be eager to stand trial eShirl Mar 2012 #28

Zimmerman clearly wanted interaction with and the approval of the police. gkhouston Mar 2012 #29

So you're going to side with the RACIST LYING MURDERER Hugabear Mar 2012 #34

No da_decider Mar 2012 #36

Impossible, someone had to pull the trigger Rex Mar 2012 #40

Zimmerman is a murderer... da_decider Mar 2012 #47

I guess you don't see why his lawyers are already trying to throw libertypirate Mar 2012 #54

George Zimmerman made wrong decision after wrong decision after wrong decision that night. Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #56

I'm interested in location Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #59

The stupid Oilwellian Mar 2012 #64

Shouldnt a court of law decide that? DCBob Mar 2012 #77