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matmar

(593 posts) Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:08 PM Mar 2012

Did the Founders Hate Government? [View all]

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/03/22/did-the-founders-hate-government/

Exclusive: Orwell’s insight – that who controls the present controls the past, and who controls the past controls the future – could apply to the American political debate in which the Right has built a false narrative that enlists the Framers of the Constitution as enemies of a strong central government, writes Robert Parry.

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Did the Founders Hate Government? [View all] matmar Mar 2012 OP

The Founders did not hate government. HubertHeaver Mar 2012 #1

Can we stop with making the U.S. Constitution a sacramental doctrine? CTyankee Mar 2012 #2

NO !!! - And, Yes... WillyT Mar 2012 #11

I don't want to get into a long rant on this except to say that what you are saying strikes CTyankee Mar 2012 #17

You Make Great Points... But I Don't See A Solution Here... WillyT Mar 2012 #19

You know, I'm frustrated! I'm just at complete odds with a U.S. Constitution that just doesn't CTyankee Mar 2012 #20

Yep, your frustration is pretty clear malthaussen Mar 2012 #22

Mal, we do not "know it all." That has been our problem all along. We think we "got it right," CTyankee Mar 2012 #23

Also means "to bring out of shadow," malthaussen Mar 2012 #26

Very good analysis. I would like to know more from Con Law experts who I admire and respect, CTyankee Mar 2012 #27

Sounds good to me malthaussen Mar 2012 #28

glad you looked it up. I'm going to do so this afternoon. But I had a question for you. CTyankee Mar 2012 #29

Wasn't claiming "fatal" ambiguities malthaussen Mar 2012 #34

You make a point about "discrimination" and I would wonder further about what Justice Ginsburg CTyankee Mar 2012 #35

The idea of a constitutional convention in this day and age would be terrifying Posteritatis Mar 2012 #30

some of us would say we don't like living under the current "result" of our current Constitution. CTyankee Mar 2012 #32

They hated their ultra-conservative Monarchy "govt", but chose to love Democracy. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #3

Then why didn't they make us a Democracy? Ter Mar 2012 #6

They hated democracy mackattack Mar 2012 #7

You're applying todays standards of democracy to the idea of democracy over 200 years ago. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #12

No, Im not mackattack Mar 2012 #13

Well, true only to the extent that Madison and others did not like Greek style direct democracy. CTyankee Mar 2012 #18

The founders did not hate government but they did distrust it. former9thward Mar 2012 #4

It baffles me that people have so much trouble with the distinction you just noted Posteritatis Mar 2012 #31

Wow....no mackattack Mar 2012 #5

Hard to imagine Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #8

They would have asked "What's a bathtub?" malthaussen Mar 2012 #14

Yep, they did/do. Just finished CARO's LBJ bio: Senate is a BLOCKAGE (kill PROGRESS) n/t UTUSN Mar 2012 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Mar 2012 #10

Which Founders? malthaussen Mar 2012 #15

If America today tried to form a United States chnoutte Mar 2012 #16

Not sure the FFs would even recognize a multicultural society such as the U.S. CTyankee Mar 2012 #25

Hamilton, Washington, & Madison built an activist federal government Bucky Mar 2012 #21

Apparently they hated government so much Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #24

Clearly not. They did have a clear suspicion of concentration of power that TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #33