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19. No, it's far more likely that we'll see a well-funded effort to try to "Dean scream" Bernie

Sat Mar 8, 2014, 07:51 PM

Mar 2014

long before Hillary has to announce. A lot of people with deep pockets won't want to see Bernie run, because they can't afford to have the peasants start thinking that their country should be run differently.

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If Bernie runs, Hillary won't [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 OP

If she doesn't run it is because she doesn't want to do it. Nothing else matters. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #1

never has krawhitham Mar 2014 #94

! dionysus Mar 2014 #2

^^^ OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #10

i'm not even a big fan of the Clintons, but damn this shit is getting delusional.... dionysus Mar 2014 #15

Nor I. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #29

Paulsen status.... Ned Fenwick Mar 2014 #133

That's a good take. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #138

maybe he is doing like Hotblack Desiato... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #151

Spot On! chuckstevens Mar 2014 #135

Bernie would take Hillary's lunch money in a debate. As a corporate Dem she would be fodder... Scuba Mar 2014 #3

It would end with Hillary at the bottom of a smoking crater MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #5

The debates are not set up that way. former9thward Mar 2014 #57

just like Dennis did the last two times? dionysus Mar 2014 #17

More like Aerows Mar 2014 #53

^^^^ T H I S ^^^^ MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #54

I actually felt bad for Ryan that night... almost Scootaloo Mar 2014 #128

I thought Ryan was going to have to Aerows Mar 2014 #134

It could have been MORE awkward Scootaloo Mar 2014 #141

Or like that guy from Freedom Industries Aerows Mar 2014 #146

What is it with crooked conservatives and water? laundry_queen Mar 2014 #198

Do you think they'd ALLOW him in the debates? nt 7962 Mar 2014 #158

If he runs as a Dem, they'd have a hard time keeping him out. n/t winter is coming Mar 2014 #160

So you think Bernie will simply become a sudden Democrat without affecting his credibility?! Bwah! WinkyDink Mar 2014 #209

He could start a new trend, the "credible Democrat". Enthusiast Mar 2014 #212

Becoming a Dem would diminish his credibility? Wow L0oniX Mar 2014 #233

Duh. An avowed Independent changes Party and you think he won't be looked upon as an opportunist? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #255

Duh. Dems will vote for a Dem. Call it being an opportunist? I call it running for POTUS. L0oniX Mar 2014 #261

He's caucused with Dems for years. Which policies do you think he holds contrary to Dem positions? winter is coming Mar 2014 #247

My point wasn't about our individual micro-choices; I'd like Bernie, too. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #256

But that's what an election is: millions of micro-choices. winter is coming Mar 2014 #260

Bwahahah so yeah you're so concerned for his credibillity and you know an independant can't win... L0oniX Mar 2014 #262

And what debate would this be, where an Independent debates? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #208

Bernie caucuses with the Dems now, and rank-and-file Dems will welcome him with open arms. Scuba Mar 2014 #211

I'm a Union kind o'gal, so perhaps you are correct. But money talks, and the OP's claim is absurd. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #257

i think this is wishful thinking on your part. nt La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #4

You might be right. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #8

I don't think hillary should run, but for different reasons La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #21

delusional is more like it dlwickham Mar 2014 #82

You cannot possibly believe that BainsBane Mar 2014 #6

Hillary's said she's not running, repeatedly MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #9

No, she hasn't BainsBane Mar 2014 #14

I'm not sure why you do these things MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #18

If that's the case BainsBane Mar 2014 #24

Whoa. One step at a time. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #26

Hey, this is about what you think. Not me. BainsBane Mar 2014 #31

You said mean things to me. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #34

Mean things? BainsBane Mar 2014 #41

So has Hillary said she's not running? Or not? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #47

Okay, she's not running. BainsBane Mar 2014 #59

Hmmm... MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #60

I'm agnostic BainsBane Mar 2014 #63

So you called my OP "nonsense" MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #67

Oh, dear. I'm sure you're devastated. BainsBane Mar 2014 #72

So now I'm stupid, too. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #74

Try rereading BainsBane Mar 2014 #77

"Therefore I have trouble believing you ..." MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #84

No, I don't believe you really believe your own OP BainsBane Mar 2014 #89

So I'm a prevaricator, but not stupid. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #96

Wow you play victim better than my kids MyNameGoesHere Mar 2014 #131

Well played. RC Mar 2014 #147

Whew! Fumesucker Mar 2014 #97

That would be part of why people would support him 'He is unlikely to attract a lot of money from sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #189

Hillary has said she wont, but so has Warren. Never believe a politician who says no. Means nothing 7962 Mar 2014 #164

Agreed. But it's funny how some people believe Warren, but not Hillary. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #167

Because we know politician speak BainsBane Mar 2014 #169

"I have ruled it out." MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #174

Okay, then you're right BainsBane Mar 2014 #186

I think you're trying to reframe what's going on: MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #224

It's still too early for anyone to say the big Yes. We should all know that. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #179

Hilary wouldn't be the first to decide to run because public pressure to do so. lumpy Mar 2014 #46

But Elizabeth would be the first? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #48

When Hillary signs a letter asking Elizabeth Warren to run, get back to us... brooklynite Mar 2014 #104

Oh, so you found the letter? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #108

Seriously Manny? THAT's the position you want to go to? brooklynite Mar 2014 #112

So... Where's the letter? Is it a *secret* letter? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #114

Just a guess...it was a PRIVATE letter. brooklynite Mar 2014 #126

Don't believe the "secret letter" gambit. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #132

gawd Manny, it really, really disturbs me that I like this post of yours so much. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #185

As it should. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #195

wait, I think I changed my mind. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #235

Oh... you know how they are Manny.... ReRe Mar 2014 #92

Apparently it doesn't matter that Hillary never said such a thing, either. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #206

She said she would decide this year. joshcryer Mar 2014 #127

She HAS said no. Not that it means anything.... 7962 Mar 2014 #161

I'll have what you're smoking. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #205

I'm not aware that Warren has said she will not run. Can you provide a link for that? Scuba Mar 2014 #11

There have been multiple threads on DU about it BainsBane Mar 2014 #12

So, no. She's said she is not running. She has not said she will not run. Scuba Mar 2014 #33

She did, she got ambushed and had to say something MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #13

She pledged not to run. joshcryer Mar 2014 #130

Which is to bad as she would be a good choice imo. nt cstanleytech Mar 2014 #156

Me either. Need a link. Aerows Mar 2014 #154

LMAO! adirondacker Mar 2014 #7

I hope they both run and Bernie gets the nomination. bigwillq Mar 2014 #16

Perhaps 3/4 of voters have no idea who Bernie is. lumpy Mar 2014 #49

This, too. bigwillq Mar 2014 #50

like Obama in 2006 lunasun Mar 2014 #99

Obviously Obama drew attention because he was a first in a the presidential race. People learned lumpy Mar 2014 #150

Everyone knew who Obama was after his speech at the 2004 convention Doctor_J Mar 2014 #241

That would probably be in his favor since polls show that politicians, especially those who are know sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #190

Which will work in his favor because EVERYBODY Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #214

No, it's far more likely that we'll see a well-funded effort to try to "Dean scream" Bernie winter is coming Mar 2014 #19

it will be a choice between Corporate Hillary and Corporate Christie or Jeb frwrfpos Mar 2014 #20

Well, when you put it that way... LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #87

It's a nice thought, temporary311 Mar 2014 #22

She has a record. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #23

So did Bush, temporary311 Mar 2014 #27

Hillary's is far, far worse relative to where Americans are today MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #30

I hope so. temporary311 Mar 2014 #32

And whatever she might not've known about that subject in 2008 demwing Mar 2014 #36

I don't think Bernie will get media attention to the extent Hillary would Fumesucker Mar 2014 #25

Plus 1 Ishoutandscream2 Mar 2014 #183

Social media has been used to great effect enigmatic Mar 2014 #188

I think it's the other way around. Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #28

Why should we believe that you actually even want Warren to run or even win? Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #35

I'm actually Tagg Romney MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #37

You said you'd rather overturn the election of Obama than the election of Reagan in 1980 Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #39

Maybe you should link to that post, for context MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #43

Context? Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #45

Afraid to link to the post? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #51

Manny.... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #58

I think you're scared to link to it. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #61

You're still admiting that you'd rather overturn the Obama election than the Reagan election Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #62

You're a chicken, an obfuscator, and have difficulty navigating metaphors. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #64

Here ya go. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #76

Thank you. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #81

hahahaha Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #93

That's pretty blatant BainsBane Mar 2014 #85

Do you disagree? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #88

Yes, I disagree that McCain should have been President BainsBane Mar 2014 #95

I usually do, too. Sometimes not. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #98

But not after innauguration? BainsBane Mar 2014 #100

I started getting concerned about a month before inauguration MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #107

That doesn't surprise me BainsBane Mar 2014 #110

Here's a Manny duzy from that post.. "Would McCain's policies be much different? I don't see how." DCBob Mar 2014 #91

That's a shocker. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #102

Really? Marr Mar 2014 #168

Hillary became mononymous during her Senate campaign. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #175

Oh, that makes sense. It's cloying when done by people you don't like, and totally Marr Mar 2014 #176

Almost. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #178

Plus normally politicians are referred to by their surnames. But there are two famous Clintons CJCRANE Mar 2014 #201

Yes, I noticed that too! nt CJCRANE Mar 2014 #199

Don't worry about intimacy till Manny posts picture thread after Autumn Mar 2014 #246

That wouldn't surprise me. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #200

You lost me when you said demwing Mar 2014 #38

So you were alerted on neverforget Mar 2014 #165

Interesting...juror #6 thinks I alerted Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #181

thanks for the post demwing Mar 2014 #184

THIS IS WHY WE NEED 7 JURORS Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #259

I'm sorry, I've been traveling a lot lately... seattledo Mar 2014 #40

I fully agree with you. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #42

Someone else HAS to run to show Dems have a "bench" elfin Mar 2014 #44

Yes, Hillary is a corporatist and needs to be challenged on that and drawn more left. DJ13 Mar 2014 #157

I could give two shit who runs and who doesn't Aerows Mar 2014 #52

I'm not ready for Hillary Aerows Mar 2014 #55

I'm ready. bigwillq Mar 2014 #66

If you don't have Hillary Aerows Mar 2014 #68

Damn. bigwillq Mar 2014 #73

I'm not sure about sleeping bags, yet Aerows Mar 2014 #152

Oh, there will be total obliteration. jsr Mar 2014 #204

No way. The only way I will vote for Bernie is if he runs as a Democratic. I will vote for him in lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #56

I don't advocate third parties Aerows Mar 2014 #65

and no matter how Democratic he is, if he runs under a separate party, I will NOT split the vote. lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #69

Cart before the horse, IMHO Aerows Mar 2014 #90

So will I,as long as it is in the Democratic primary, and if Bernie runs as a Democrat in the lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #103

Which is why the GOP will lose. They will NOT unite behind whoever gets the nod. 7962 Mar 2014 #172

If Hillary runs, it will tear the Democratic Party apart. bvar22 Mar 2014 #70

AMEN, brother! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #79

how about "what utter bullshit" instead of an amen dlwickham Mar 2014 #83

+1 BainsBane Mar 2014 #105

Love your in depth, insightful political analysis of the suituation. bvar22 Mar 2014 #115

That's why they stick to insults, not facts MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #119

Absolutely. But at some point we need to cut them adrift, run them out of our party. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #228

thank you dlwickham Mar 2014 #143

PLUS A BRAZILLION! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #220

One side uses argument, the other insult. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #116

who did I insult dlwickham Mar 2014 #144

My bad, sorry. I forgot that MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #155

so who did I insult dlwickham Mar 2014 #244

Amen and Amen! ReRe Mar 2014 #109

no it won't. I would hope Bernie would run as a Democratic in the Democratic primary. Folks were lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #111

Sort of like it tore the Party apart in 2008? brooklynite Mar 2014 #113

Amen Caretha Mar 2014 #124

AMEN! (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2014 #129

I say AMEN! Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #215

AMEN Brother!!! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #219

I so agree. The Left has to take a stand against the Conservative run Democratic Party. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #237

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #239

I don't think you are on trend, sadly. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #258

More 2016 fantasy football. longship Mar 2014 #71

You could be right about "America's temperment is no longer for Third-Way shenanigans." Jack Rabbit Mar 2014 #75

*presses the Pause button* Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #216

Finally! An outcome we can both hope for! randome Mar 2014 #78

If Bernie runs, and I wish he would, he will be marginalized by the media Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #80

Whatever M$M coverage he gets will be one long Dean Scream Fumesucker Mar 2014 #86

Hahahaha! So true. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #162

The problem with Kucinich is that the media knew he wasn't serious. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #217

lol...good one. Iggo Mar 2014 #101

I think Hillary will run. If Sanders runs he will probably beat her in a few primaries and that Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #106

How is he going to beat her when he isn't a registered Democrat..... Historic NY Mar 2014 #117

he has said publicly he might run. He is too much of a pragmatist to run as a third party candidate. Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #123

If Bernie runs, dems lose liberal N proud Mar 2014 #118

I doubt that he would run as an Independent. But even if he did rhett o rick Mar 2014 #238

Bookmarking...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #120

You never give up, do you Manny? ReRe Mar 2014 #121

The very good progressive vs the 3rd Way Not as Bad candidate. Go, Bernie! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #122

Amen in the crowd! Aerows Mar 2014 #137

cannot underestimate ego, lust and mania reddread Mar 2014 #125

Hillary Clinton IS most certainly running. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #136

I think you misspelled "mud pit" Fumesucker Mar 2014 #149

Ewwwww. bvar22 Mar 2014 #243

If Bernie runs he has my vote regardless. He believes the same things that I do. AAO Mar 2014 #139

Is this honesty or wishful thinking? Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #140

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #142

*sputter* Recursion Mar 2014 #145

If he runs quakerboy Mar 2014 #148

Whatever. delrem Mar 2014 #153

Just what we need....... whistler162 Mar 2014 #159

Well, according to Bernie he is prepared to run. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #163

If Bernie Sanders ran for president, our corporate media would attack him 24-7. Marr Mar 2014 #166

Hillary has too much baggage drexelhillbilly Mar 2014 #170

Running as an independent for President is really hard. FarCenter Mar 2014 #171

Dumb. But everyone's entitled to their opinion. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #173

My guess is that if Bernie runs, Hillary will bury him. Deep13 Mar 2014 #177

Ran into a friend who knows a Republican politico (some of us do.....) brooklynite Mar 2014 #180

Karl Rove had unlimited financial resources too. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #182

Bernie Madoff is in jail. He might have had a chance in his heyday. aquart Mar 2014 #187

Hmmm. blue neen Mar 2014 #191

I don't think it's inappropriate at all. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #193

Hey, blue neen Mar 2014 #194

To stave off the nitwits. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #196

Manny, you should be a writer. Beacool Mar 2014 #192

Maybe... just maybe... I *am* a writer MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #197

It's delusion and wishful thinking. Beacool Mar 2014 #250

To the contrary quaker bill Mar 2014 #202

hopeful delusion at best beachbum bob Mar 2014 #203

I can't grasp how silly the OP post is. Bernie Sanders isn't even a DEMOCRAT. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #207

Using a Third Party candidate to divide Democrats--what does that sound like to you? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #225

Comrade! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #227

Hey Manny---I'm merely going to suggest you stop using google translate for msanthrope Mar 2014 #232

Manny, why do you want Bernie to punch Hillary in the nose? Enthusiast Mar 2014 #210

I don't often disagree with you my Dear Manny Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #213

I don't give a fig who runs in 2016. It won't Skidmore Mar 2014 #218

Starting 2016 fights before 2014---FUD. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #221

Do you agree that presidential candidates who declare before the November election MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #222

Show me one who has, and I will answer the question specific to that candidate. Care to tell us msanthrope Mar 2014 #223

So it will depend on which candidate files before the election? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #226

No--I won't have this discussion until someone does. And you are damn right some are more equal msanthrope Mar 2014 #229

So if any Democrat jumps in for President before the election, then that MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #230

And again--you focus on the 2016s rather than your 2014 elections--seemingly in repsonse to this: msanthrope Mar 2014 #236

Why post drivel??????? Pisces Mar 2014 #231

Because he has a captured audience that wants to hear this kind of stuff. Beacool Mar 2014 #251

Wishful thinking? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #234

I really don't think Hillary will run. Biden most certainly will IMO. Autumn Mar 2014 #240

Ready for Hillary? A news article, at least three times a week for the past several months, winter is coming Mar 2014 #248

Biden and Sanders, two men in their mid 70s by 2016. Beacool Mar 2014 #252

That's all it is Bea. I just don't see Hillary running. Autumn Mar 2014 #254

What To Do? colsohlibgal Mar 2014 #242

If Hillary doesn't run, Cuomo will, and will be the favorite. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #245

Is this a plan to give the election to the GOP BrentWil Mar 2014 #249

Shhhh, don't ruin their fantasy. Beacool Mar 2014 #253