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Still trying to conflate apples with oranges? nt rdharma Mar 2014 #1
Still making cryptic, unspecified statements? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #2
'NO' is the answer to that question. 'NO' putsch and 'NO' WMD's in Iraq. nt rdharma Mar 2014 #7
To what "putsch" are you referring? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #11
The putsch in the Ukraine. Where have you been? nt rdharma Mar 2014 #13
Let me try to get you down on an actual position here. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #16
Yes, it was a putsch. Are you claiming otherwise? rdharma Mar 2014 #31
What does that have to do with your position on Crimea and Russian intervention? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #45
Who said anything about a "military" coup? A putsch headed by fascist thugs also qualifies...... rdharma Mar 2014 #54
Are you going to answer the question? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #57
The entire mess started with the "putsch"... nt rdharma Mar 2014 #62
Sigh. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #69
You got my answer...... rdharma Mar 2014 #71
Okay. So you view Russia's actions as justified. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #73
I really think that person is putting us on. I dont think anyone could actually believe those stevenleser Mar 2014 #113
Well under that thinking, I'm sure he would have supported the US invasion of Iraq. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #115
I just pointed out that very thing to a Russian expat attempting to defend Putin on FB. stevenleser Mar 2014 #120
You seem to have a unique take on this lark Mar 2014 #101
You are correct. polly7 Mar 2014 #114
Russia has had forces in Crimea since the late 18th century. polly7 Mar 2014 #123
For there to be "protection", there would have to be an actual threat. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #125
........... polly7 Mar 2014 #126
I disagree with the premise laundry_queen Mar 2014 #131
Am I mistaken, or is France not across the ocean from Quebec??? polly7 Mar 2014 #132
Well, that's good to know that you support the break up of Canada. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #133
I believe any people who feel their interests aren't represented under a gov't polly7 Mar 2014 #135
Again, I disagree. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #136
Sorry, I disagree with pretty much everything you've just said above. polly7 Mar 2014 #137
Yeah. No. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #138
Yeah, no, but wtf cares? Not I. nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #139
Don't forget that the Russians refuse to send their troops back to their amandabeech Mar 2014 #95
Good points. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #119
Are we still droning people in other parts of the world using 9/11/War on Terror, where sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #24
Do you, Sabrina1, have the moral authority.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #32
That's a good question. I might think I do, but then I know that people would have the right to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #65
The invasion of Iraq was illegal, correct? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #3
Unfortunately, they remain unpunished. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #4
If your dog is taking massive dumps in other people's yards Fumesucker Mar 2014 #6
Great reply, Fumesucker! rdharma Mar 2014 #8
The relationship between a people and its elected officials is far more complex... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #9
Why's it OK if our politicians do stuff like this but we must speak up if foreign politicians do it? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #14
Because we are dealing with the here and now. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #20
In the here and now our own criminals are on the damn TV telling us how to run things still Fumesucker Mar 2014 #22
And we can and should ignore them. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #23
It makes it blantantly obvious what the ultimate rule is Fumesucker Mar 2014 #26
do you approach discussions of international law, war, and human rights geek tragedy Mar 2014 #25
Ignoring what your own dog has done makes you someone committed to principles how? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #30
who said anything about ignoring? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #33
Of course if you don't punish your dog's behavior you are doing nothing to change it Fumesucker Mar 2014 #36
So, you favor a criminal justice system that relies on harsh punishment geek tragedy Mar 2014 #39
Swatting the butt with a newspaper is "harsh"? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #46
the US suffered more than a swat on the butt from its invasion of Iraq geek tragedy Mar 2014 #53
What did the instigators of the Iraq war "suffer"? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #55
besides losing Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #60
The 22nd Amendment has been superceded? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #96
I can swat the government on its behind for pooping in the neighbors yard... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #104
The point is that we may speak up no matter what government is doing bad things. amandabeech Mar 2014 #100
Of course you can speak up if you wish Fumesucker Mar 2014 #140
except that an absurd comparison. deplomacy IS the art of hypocrisy cali Mar 2014 #12
The end justifies the means? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #15
because there's nothing in that post that says anything of the kind cali Mar 2014 #59
"Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy until you can find a rock." Will Rogers Fumesucker Mar 2014 #75
I think it is possible to oppose all dump taking dogs as a citizen of the planet Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #17
The nationalist part is where you ignore the fact your own dog remains unpunished Fumesucker Mar 2014 #21
can you name a nation that has punished a head of state geek tragedy Mar 2014 #29
Ultimately the only actual rule is that might makes right Fumesucker Mar 2014 #34
that is the rule that benefits the powerful. a law-based regime geek tragedy Mar 2014 #37
The law means nothing without enforcement.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #44
let's use your punish the dog analogy--the dog here is Putin. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #49
No, we should whack *our* dog's nose, that would make it appear we were serious about this behavior Fumesucker Mar 2014 #58
one need not be wholly consistent to be serious nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #61
One can be seriously amusing without even knowing it too n/t Fumesucker Mar 2014 #68
Nope, your claim is nationalism in the negative, mine is that of a citizen of earth who Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #85
I can see it from both sides and my citizen of earth side is disgusted and opposed too Fumesucker Mar 2014 #86
Why not just say that then? Because using your other string of logic, you have no Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #91
Because I'm imperfect and don't always express myself in the fashion others would have of me Fumesucker Mar 2014 #93
Not just unpunished.but rewarded zeemike Mar 2014 #97
/thread LittleBlue Mar 2014 #124
Same thing that happened to the invader of Georgia. joshcryer Mar 2014 #141
After the west heaped blame on Russia for the conflict, it ignores new evidence of Georgia's crimes polly7 Mar 2014 #142
Georgia, like Ukraine, is in the Eurasia roadmap. joshcryer Mar 2014 #145
I can honestly say yes to that. The day it happened I sat watching the TV with my family. While they jwirr Mar 2014 #5
I remember thinking at the time Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #48
Mine was a policy issue. I thought we should fight terrorism by using the law enforcement agencies. jwirr Mar 2014 #56
I don't understand the argument about lacking moral authority to criticize Russia over Ukraine Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2014 #10
No, I was more concerned that it was a moronic, destructive thing to do. bemildred Mar 2014 #18
Heh. Solly Mack Mar 2014 #38
I consider people more important than "sovereign territory" bhikkhu Mar 2014 #19
There were actually refererndums that were already scheduled as to full Crimean autonomy. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #27
"Referendums that were sanctioned by the Ukrainian government" effectively went out the window...... rdharma Mar 2014 #43
I don't understand your point at all. President Obama, VP Biden, Sec of State Kerry Bandit Mar 2014 #66
To their credit, they indeed have condemned it. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #72
So your argument is with SOME people here at DU and not the USA? Bandit Mar 2014 #77
Other than the fact dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #28
So, France, Germany, China, and Russia all should have STFU when geek tragedy Mar 2014 #35
Practically all European nations also lack moral authority then treestar Mar 2014 #51
I don't disagree with you but the subject of the OP is the US. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #83
The subject is the invasion of Iraq. UK had a bit to do with that. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #90
is it incumbent upon every nation to remain silent regarding the aggression of any other country? LanternWaste Mar 2014 #108
Get thee hence to the greatest page. riqster Mar 2014 #40
I await the reports of the use of white phosphorus in the Ukraine. sibelian Mar 2014 #41
It might be as bad as what happened in Iraq. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #52
Woot, there it is! +1000. nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #105
So you were for Iraq? joshcryer Mar 2014 #144
I F'ing sure as hell was. Phlem Mar 2014 #42
Yes, not buying that we cannot condemn Russia's invasion treestar Mar 2014 #47
Sophistry reddread Mar 2014 #50
Whose sophistry? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #89
This is stupid. Crimea wants to be part of Russia - let it be part of Russia. reformist2 Mar 2014 #63
As I mentioned before..... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #70
Multiple reasons... HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #82
There was already an election scheduled for who would govern Ukraine. Why was that abandoned? JVS Mar 2014 #143
R#8 for, solid points, articulately made. n/t UTUSN Mar 2014 #64
I agree with you, and would go further.., Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #67
"[H]e oversaw the withdraw of combat troops from Iraq." OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #74
Obama simply followed the George Fucking Bush timetable for getting out of Iraq Lasher Mar 2014 #147
Nope, it doesn't work that way. And "do as we say, not as we do", most people don't find that quinnox Mar 2014 #76
Russia had a military base at the very tip of Crimea. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #79
Let's say we agreed it is technically illegal, that still doesn't mean much quinnox Mar 2014 #81
Your point one is in need of context. 'Mostly Russian' because after WW2 Crimea's Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #87
You obviously have a greater handle on the history there than I do quinnox Mar 2014 #94
I remember crying go west young man Mar 2014 #78
I just listened to your song--twice. classof56 Mar 2014 #98
What a beautiful song! polly7 Mar 2014 #102
Thanks you guys. go west young man Mar 2014 #117
You've got a real gift to put what so many of us were feeling and thinking polly7 Mar 2014 #121
Cheers... go west young man Mar 2014 #130
One aspect of the Iraq insanity that is often overlooked is this: randome Mar 2014 #80
Zorra Iraq site:democraticunderground.com (about 420,000 results in 0.48 seconds) nt Zorra Mar 2014 #84
Yes. Igel Mar 2014 #88
You're right. It's one thing if Kerry condemns them and another if Rumsfeld does it.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #92
So you are claiming that since Obama is ONLY mass slaughtering civilians with drones... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #99
+1, fully agree! quinnox Mar 2014 #107
I do not know what the angles are on some of these posts. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #103
I have a question, if our only warm water seaport was in Crimea what would we do? I don't think doc03 Mar 2014 #106
Ahem. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #116
Sochi can accommodate two cruise ships, they need a warm water port for their navy doc03 Mar 2014 #146
We, our, or us? Just who are you talking about? fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #109
Iraq? That's just across the border from Texas, right? RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #110
Mr. Carcetti, I didn't support the Iraq War. saidsimplesimon Mar 2014 #111
The problem is, people are conflating intervention and military intervention. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #118
The **Moral Authority** of the United States was greatly diminished by illegal invasion & torture. Martin Eden Mar 2014 #112
over 100 years ago. a proud tradition. reddread Mar 2014 #122
Sorry no. Besides lives, $3trllion, Bush also spent our moral authority on point Mar 2014 #127
Well, the only other real choice is to remain silent on the situation. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #128
Us as a country are a laugh and counter productive. Us as world citizens is a different matter on point Mar 2014 #148
I live in the US, not Russia. Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #129
Whatever (questionable) moral authority we ever had drowned in the Gulf of Tonkin. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #134
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