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In reply to the discussion: Most of us here were against the invasion of Iraq, correct? [View all]go west young man
(4,856 posts)78. I remember crying
Last edited Mon Mar 10, 2014, 05:20 PM - Edit history (1)
the day the tanks were crossing the desert and wrote this song. https://soundcloud.com/chris-via-vostok/heres-to-war It's a statement about the futility of killing people while implying your bringing them peace and freedom. The juxtaposition in the lyrics sums up my feelings at the time. I still wish for justice for the Iraqi people with Cheney, Bush, and all the neo cons being brought to trial for war crimes. Ironically it was announced on TV that MSNBC reporter David Bloom had died of a pulmonary embolism as I sat there penning the song and I had waited on his family at the Sea Island resort only a year or so prior.
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What does that have to do with your position on Crimea and Russian intervention?
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#45
Who said anything about a "military" coup? A putsch headed by fascist thugs also qualifies......
rdharma
Mar 2014
#54
I really think that person is putting us on. I dont think anyone could actually believe those
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#113
Well under that thinking, I'm sure he would have supported the US invasion of Iraq.
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#115
I just pointed out that very thing to a Russian expat attempting to defend Putin on FB.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#120
Are we still droning people in other parts of the world using 9/11/War on Terror, where
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#24
That's a good question. I might think I do, but then I know that people would have the right to
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#65
The relationship between a people and its elected officials is far more complex...
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#9
Why's it OK if our politicians do stuff like this but we must speak up if foreign politicians do it?
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#14
In the here and now our own criminals are on the damn TV telling us how to run things still
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#22
Ignoring what your own dog has done makes you someone committed to principles how?
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#30
Of course if you don't punish your dog's behavior you are doing nothing to change it
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#36
I can swat the government on its behind for pooping in the neighbors yard...
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#104
The point is that we may speak up no matter what government is doing bad things.
amandabeech
Mar 2014
#100
"Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy until you can find a rock." Will Rogers
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#75
I think it is possible to oppose all dump taking dogs as a citizen of the planet
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#17
The nationalist part is where you ignore the fact your own dog remains unpunished
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#21
No, we should whack *our* dog's nose, that would make it appear we were serious about this behavior
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#58
Nope, your claim is nationalism in the negative, mine is that of a citizen of earth who
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#85
I can see it from both sides and my citizen of earth side is disgusted and opposed too
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#86
Why not just say that then? Because using your other string of logic, you have no
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#91
Because I'm imperfect and don't always express myself in the fashion others would have of me
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#93
After the west heaped blame on Russia for the conflict, it ignores new evidence of Georgia's crimes
polly7
Mar 2014
#142
I can honestly say yes to that. The day it happened I sat watching the TV with my family. While they
jwirr
Mar 2014
#5
Mine was a policy issue. I thought we should fight terrorism by using the law enforcement agencies.
jwirr
Mar 2014
#56
I don't understand the argument about lacking moral authority to criticize Russia over Ukraine
Proud Liberal Dem
Mar 2014
#10
There were actually refererndums that were already scheduled as to full Crimean autonomy.
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#27
"Referendums that were sanctioned by the Ukrainian government" effectively went out the window......
rdharma
Mar 2014
#43
I don't understand your point at all. President Obama, VP Biden, Sec of State Kerry
Bandit
Mar 2014
#66
is it incumbent upon every nation to remain silent regarding the aggression of any other country?
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#108
This is stupid. Crimea wants to be part of Russia - let it be part of Russia.
reformist2
Mar 2014
#63
There was already an election scheduled for who would govern Ukraine. Why was that abandoned?
JVS
Mar 2014
#143
Obama simply followed the George Fucking Bush timetable for getting out of Iraq
Lasher
Mar 2014
#147
Nope, it doesn't work that way. And "do as we say, not as we do", most people don't find that
quinnox
Mar 2014
#76
Your point one is in need of context. 'Mostly Russian' because after WW2 Crimea's
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#87
Zorra Iraq site:democraticunderground.com (about 420,000 results in 0.48 seconds) nt
Zorra
Mar 2014
#84
You're right. It's one thing if Kerry condemns them and another if Rumsfeld does it....
Spitfire of ATJ
Mar 2014
#92
So you are claiming that since Obama is ONLY mass slaughtering civilians with drones...
Demo_Chris
Mar 2014
#99
I have a question, if our only warm water seaport was in Crimea what would we do? I don't think
doc03
Mar 2014
#106
Sochi can accommodate two cruise ships, they need a warm water port for their navy
doc03
Mar 2014
#146
The problem is, people are conflating intervention and military intervention.
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#118
The **Moral Authority** of the United States was greatly diminished by illegal invasion & torture.
Martin Eden
Mar 2014
#112
Us as a country are a laugh and counter productive. Us as world citizens is a different matter
on point
Mar 2014
#148
Whatever (questionable) moral authority we ever had drowned in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#134