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Junkdrawer

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23. Seen these?

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 12:20 PM

Mar 2014

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4597049

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4597237

from the later:

...

The PAK FA, a fifth generation jet fighter, is intended to be the successor to the MiG-29 and Su-27 in the Russian inventory and serve as the basis of the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA being developed with India. The T-50 prototype performed its first flight 29 January 2010.

...

I believe India will be doing the more advanced software (mathematics)....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi/HAL_FGFA

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........ trusty elf Mar 2014 #72

What color are unicorns? FSogol Mar 2014 #2

Nine. Orrex Mar 2014 #9

Smells like 9. FSogol Mar 2014 #10

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Feels like Tuesday. FSogol Mar 2014 #44

Invisible pink Fumesucker Mar 2014 #12

Your post is offensive to Pastafarians. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #55

Rainbow and chrome, of course Scootaloo Mar 2014 #60

Pink and fluffy. Must dance on rainbows. mwooldri Mar 2014 #71

Putin wouldn't give a shit. cali Mar 2014 #3

Then why bother making any moral statments at all? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #7

Agreed ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #15

A far stronger moral statement would be unacceptable to most here. Igel Mar 2014 #29

WTF? Was there genocide happening in Ukraine like there was under Milosevic? KittyWampus Mar 2014 #30

I wouldn't be averse to that if you include everyone Fumesucker Mar 2014 #31

Not all Dems thought that the Kosovo business was a good idea. amandabeech Mar 2014 #43

The 1st Gulf War? freebrew Mar 2014 #79

Moral statements are not going to sway Putin. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #4

You wouldn't see such a move as in any way preventing bad behavior? n/t Fumesucker Mar 2014 #5

On whose part? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #6

On the part of war criminals.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #8

more likely, it would embolden the next Republican who takes office geek tragedy Mar 2014 #11

It's always easier to see the mote in another's eye than the beam in your own Fumesucker Mar 2014 #13

indeed. Republicans would not view a Bush prosecution geek tragedy Mar 2014 #16

I thought Putin was the enemy? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #18

To paraphrase Tina Turner, what's morality geek tragedy Mar 2014 #24

What does morality have to do with Putin invading Crimea? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #26

No, the problem is that it undermines modern international geek tragedy Mar 2014 #27

And why is it that states are not allowed to invade, conquor or annex other states? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #28

War is to be discouraged, nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #38

Why should war be discouraged? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #68

if you need explanations as to why war should be avoided, I suggest geek tragedy Mar 2014 #70

I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter Fumesucker Mar 2014 #73

let's see, death, poverty, disease, rape, environmental degradation, geek tragedy Mar 2014 #74

And what do all those things have in common? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #75

they're caused by war. the Socratic method is tedious, got anything else?nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #76

You really can't help yourself, can you? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #77

Reality check proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #19

No, the problem is that people let *their* *own* politicians off the hook for this kind of thing Fumesucker Mar 2014 #21

(Sounds like Will Shakespeare to me) ReRe Mar 2014 #49

Putin = Take the food away from a cub in front of a Mother Bear (Russia).... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #36

As Shakespeare said, "Discretion is the better part of valor." JEB Mar 2014 #40

If Russia is a mother bear, the US is a bull elephant. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #69

How many fight-to-the-death maulings can a bull elephant take? Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #81

On the contrary malaise Mar 2014 #66

Here's what crossed my mind yesterday... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #14

Russia puts the US strategic weapons in check Fumesucker Mar 2014 #17

Seen these? Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #23

And all of this is based on their perception of us. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #20

Exactly.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #22

All things being equal, Russia, India and China are not allies ... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #25

Indeed Fumesucker Mar 2014 #34

This chart brings us to the second tier of war criminals Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #62

Except that India is strengthening their military ties to the US to counter China hack89 Mar 2014 #45

Agreed. See post #25. But alliances in a time of war can shift... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #48

India does not care about Russia hack89 Mar 2014 #50

I suspect they may care a bit about Pakistan Fumesucker Mar 2014 #56

China is arming Pakistan hack89 Mar 2014 #57

And don't forget the 23 nations that have backed away from the US dollar. n/t truedelphi Mar 2014 #61

Well, at least there's agreement that Putin's actions were illegal. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #32

Have I ever even implied otherwise? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #33

+1, and totally pulling out of Afghanistan immediately would help as well. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #35

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #37

Love to see the W, Dick and crew perp walk, but JEB Mar 2014 #39

That would require an attorney genreral and a president with high moral standards. Hoppy Mar 2014 #42

Putin should have focused on preparing a Russian port to the east of amandabeech Mar 2014 #46

You are singing my song. n/t Mira Mar 2014 #51

Earning. Moral. Authority. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #52

Ukraine crisis: 'Russian soldiers' seize Crimea hospital ProSense Mar 2014 #53

i don't think anyone is calling for Putin to be charged with war crimes JI7 Mar 2014 #54

Obama would never do that. joshcryer Mar 2014 #59

Personally speaking. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #63

Yeah right! as if western nations ever put their leaders on trial? mazzarro Mar 2014 #64

How about daybranch Mar 2014 #65

I encourage you to post an OP with that as the premise Fumesucker Mar 2014 #67

There's nothing the USA can do to redeem itself ...no more than Nazi Germany could have. L0oniX Mar 2014 #78

Bars & Stripes (clothing) for the Bushies! tea and oranges Mar 2014 #80