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TeamsterDem

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108. Well, cars kill more people than guns each year

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:25 AM

Mar 2012

so I don't agree that they're intrinsically more dangerous. Obviously they can be deadly, but so can a lot of things that are right now not illegal.

With respect to guns' purpose I don't agree they exist only for those 2 reasons. I own them as a hobby and for self defense, a hobby in terms of target practice which is fun and relaxing to me. That some think they only have 2 violent uses is part of the problem: That lack of understanding of and appreciation for our sport causes a lot of us to feel as though we have to defend something which shouldn't really need a defense. Granted the guns themselves CAN be used for bad. But so can a lot of things. So we see it as hypocritical and naive to say we need to ban guns because they supposedly only have 2 violent uses when there are tons of potentially dangerous items that no one's trying to ban, and of course that ours do have a different, peaceful use.

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I'm gonna say it and I don't care what gun nuts think... [View all] LynneSin Mar 2012 OP

it's a paranoid gun nut's wet dream Skittles Mar 2012 #1

I swear to god this better not happen up here in the Northeast LynneSin Mar 2012 #3

That law calling for recip for CCW laws from other states HockeyMom Mar 2012 #33

Actually, no.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #38

They would have a major problem in NY HockeyMom Mar 2012 #44

It's always encumbent on a person to know the laws of the state you're in.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #47

We also know that the NRA and it's army of gun extremists want to force their... Walk away Mar 2012 #135

Unfortunately, by the time the NRA is done there won't be Doctor_J Mar 2012 #69

Nah, even in Heller, some regulations were explicitly seen as constitutional. X_Digger Mar 2012 #71

Really? 4bucksagallon Mar 2012 #113

Unfortunately it is happening here in Mass. DippyDem Mar 2012 #136

was he convicted of domestic violence? gejohnston Mar 2012 #219

I wish I could recommend this post to infinity.. Tikki Mar 2012 #2

If they are criminals to start with, yeah RobertEarl Mar 2012 #4

They are not criminals until they are... movonne Mar 2012 #6

gun nuts are dangerous and borderline criminals LynneSin Mar 2012 #7

! BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #12

Absolutely spot-on!!! TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #17

When my husband went deer hunting HockeyMom Mar 2012 #36

So what's wrong with handgun hunting? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #67

Going varmit hunting with Mittens? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #120

Going to treat the subject seriously? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #133

It doesn't deserve the serious treatement. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #180

Why not? I honestly don't understand your reaction. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #181

If you don't understand... ellisonz Mar 2012 #183

It was brought up in post #36 by someone else. I simply replied. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #186

Handgun hunting? Bohunk68 Mar 2012 #124

I think it was sarcasm. n/t fasttense Mar 2012 #130

On the contrary. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #132

Oh...I must have just imagined this then: Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #131

Well said Johnney Rico Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #156

Hunting with a handgun is common and legal in many states ... spin Mar 2012 #235

are ya kidding me??? My hunting friends are gonna laugh at this fascisthunter Mar 2012 #145

See #131 Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #147

well.. alrighty then fascisthunter Mar 2012 #148

I'm glad you find an explanation of handgun hunting so funny. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #153

"Handjob Hunting" NBachers Mar 2012 #196

Um...okay...whatever floats your boat! Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #197

K&R TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #5

This is also why I hate these conceal and carry laws... cynatnite Mar 2012 #8

In most states a CCW requires some training and a background check TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #13

I've been in the military and I've handled a weapon... cynatnite Mar 2012 #15

Well I think getting handguns and legally concealing them aren't necessarily the same thing TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #22

the problem is that the "responsible folks" who own guns may not be "responsible" forever...but CTyankee Mar 2012 #29

Then we should repeal driving privileges for everyone too TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #37

So what is your solution? How do you keep the nuts from killing people so you can have your CTyankee Mar 2012 #42

What I say to his family is neither here nor there TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #52

Of course you are not responsible. CTyankee Mar 2012 #59

Once again you're putting the responsibility on the wrong party TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #75

That's it - let's do nothing and in a decade there will be another 100 million guns on street. Hoyt Mar 2012 #55

Many of us with guns don't believe in that ridiculous law TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #86

I'm a have a reasonable number at home, but leave em there, type. Hoyt Mar 2012 #98

News flash! Gun manufacturers make money by selling guns! Details at 11. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #158

Details -- If you make money off guns, you likely don't really give a crud who gets killed. Hoyt Mar 2012 #160

So what's your solution to this "problem"? Prohibit gun manufacturers from advertising Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #161

Society needs to look a guns like stinking cigars, swastikas, confederate flags, Republicans, Hoyt Mar 2012 #166

Rather than a rant about all the evils of the world, what *policies* do you advocate? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #168

Yeah, evey gun owner claims to be a "responsible" gun owner. xtraxritical Mar 2012 #106

Gun control does not equal a reduced murder rate TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #122

Another NRA useless fact. Grinding poverty must have nothing to to with it. Walk away Mar 2012 #142

I suspect the fact isn't as "useless" as it is inconvenient for your position TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #204

But where are your NRA statistics about the murder rate in South Africa? Walk away Mar 2012 #237

Why are you insisting that I'm getting information from the NRA? TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #238

There are going to be another 100 million guns in a decade (or two) even *if* you do something. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #165

Then we should repeal driving privileges for everyone too AlbertCat Mar 2012 #56

I know analogies are sometimes asking a bit much of the listener TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #66

So I can conceal my car and use it to kill? Progressive dog Mar 2012 #129

you use your gun every day for work, chores and leisure? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #162

You're exaggerating the analogy to make a point, but exaggeration isn't useful TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #211

When driving a car, you are required to attend a class, have a license and insurance... cynatnite Mar 2012 #97

That's for driving a car. But owning one doesn't necessarily require any of that TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #100

Sorry, I meant drinking and driving... cynatnite Mar 2012 #101

Well, cars kill more people than guns each year TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #108

Guns are designed to be dangerous...they are weapons. cynatnite Mar 2012 #111

Don't exaggerate my position TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #118

So fine. Keep your gun in your house. Take it out on the streets: get a license. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #163

I think most people agree that carrying it should require a license. I certainly do TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #207

This part confuses me...................... oneshooter Mar 2012 #220

Where I live any handgun must be registered with the police department TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #221

You went off the rails a little there bud. beevul Mar 2012 #208

This Is The Gun Rights Movement's Concept Of A Convincing Argument...... (n/t) Paladin Mar 2012 #222

I'm the gun rights movement now, am I? beevul Mar 2012 #232

What does a car have to do with a gun? That's one of the usual arguments the NRA teaches you but... Walk away Mar 2012 #140

First off, the NRA has never "taught" me anything; I'm not a member and never have been TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #213

And by the way, you most certainly CAN "drive your kids to school in a car" WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #251

CCW/CPW Safety and Responsibility Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #194

Excellent, excellent post!! nt TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #215

Whenever a friend or acquaintance mention getting a concealed carry permit, aka-chmeee Mar 2012 #141

wrong place treestar Mar 2012 #173

K-and fucking-Recommended!! madinmaryland Mar 2012 #9

+ whatevernumberispopular DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #10

k&r rhett o rick Mar 2012 #11

Great post LynneSin. I've always thought this is like sex to these losers. F**k the NRA..n/t monmouth Mar 2012 #14

I don't know anyone veganlush Mar 2012 #16

I don't really know anyone who doesn't believe in the 2nd Amendment. TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #23

I'm against 2a fundamentalism. xchrom Mar 2012 #28

+ 100000000000 Hoyt Mar 2012 #57

well put. Exactly. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2012 #84

If only the wingnuts would use the rules of English grammar the 2nd would not nanabugg Mar 2012 #89

Putting innocent people in their graves is authoritarian...eom Kolesar Mar 2012 #34

Maybe, but I think such is beyond the libertarian/authoritarian/liberal/conservative frames TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #193

I read a very interesting piece in the NY Times about the U.S. Constitution's popularity with CTyankee Mar 2012 #35

The primary issue is ours is one of the first jeff47 Mar 2012 #224

A written constitution that is unworkable is a problem! What good is it if you can't USE it? CTyankee Mar 2012 #230

It's says the right to bear arms veganlush Mar 2012 #74

It's says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. AlbertCat Mar 2012 #203

exactly veganlush Mar 2012 #234

So far veganlush Mar 2012 #77

As the country gets Bluer, i.e., more Democratic, thanks to demographics, the "gun rights" crowd is apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #206

Then you must not know 73% of Americans TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #26

tiny sampling poll, high margin of error. CTyankee Mar 2012 #53

The MOE is �3 and the sample size was more than adequate TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #121

well, the moe was 6 and 4, breaking it down... CTyankee Mar 2012 #143

Gun Control Is Dead Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #177

Given the enormous amount of (mostly)Republican money that went into the coffers CTyankee Mar 2012 #179

The maximum MOE as explicitly stated by Gallup was 3 TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #218

Owning guns is a separate issue. I have no problems with that LynneSin Mar 2012 #87

I live in the south so I don't know anyone that doesn't believe in it. TNLib Mar 2012 #64

zero infringement? veganlush Mar 2012 #114

It is treestar Mar 2012 #174

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #18

Yup, kick and recommend nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #19

SYG = my ego won't let me back away, so i'm gonna whip out my insecurity-assuager KG Mar 2012 #20

Wish that our govt killing innocent people with guns/bombs/drones got this much press The Straight Story Mar 2012 #21

+1000000000 L0oniX Mar 2012 #40

That would be nice, but your red herring doesn't make murder go away. HuckleB Mar 2012 #54

Government killing innocent people with guns/bombs/drones is predictable collateral damage indepat Mar 2012 #88

This horrible case is just what millions have been afraid of happening when this law was debated got root Mar 2012 #24

I'll say it again. I worked in a town for nearly 30 years rustydog Mar 2012 #25

K&R Eyerish Mar 2012 #27

Absolutely agree with you. crim son Mar 2012 #30

This law is legal murder plan and simple. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #31

Legal murder? What an interesting concept. sikorsky Mar 2012 #45

Well think about it. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #81

By definition, murder is an unlawful killing of a human being by a human being. Kennah Mar 2012 #104

aka, 'jumbo shrimp', 'military intelligence'.. etc. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #112

Yep and that is what happened. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #134

I'll spell it out. Legal murder is an oxymoron. Kennah Mar 2012 #201

ok southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #209

On the question of "Is George Zimmerman an unindicted murderer?" I would say yes. Kennah Mar 2012 #212

Your right. But as far as am concerned he still murdered an unarmed young man. That makes him a southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #226

So then we agree he is an unindicted murderer Kennah Mar 2012 #246

ok, picky, picky, picky LOL I agree southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #247

I think it's significant since it appears we're on opposite sides of SYG Kennah Mar 2012 #248

Your right. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #249

This poster is no longer with us. ellisonz Mar 2012 #123

K&r nt abelenkpe Mar 2012 #32

I know you all don't want to hear this but everytime there is a DU poll about who owns a gun... L0oniX Mar 2012 #39

Absolutely agree with everything you wrote. nt TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #41

this has nutt'n to do with gun owners, just the kooks supporting the bizarre gun lobby law of SYG got root Mar 2012 #80

Agreed. Jester Messiah Mar 2012 #170

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #43

I vote for a constitutional amendment that legalizes human hunting. Kablooie Mar 2012 #46

++ Fucking Brazillions!!! jannyk Mar 2012 #48

Gun Nuts, in the old Moderator version of the DU this would have been locked. Not anymore! Logical Mar 2012 #49

And you can call the opposition gun grabbers too jpak Mar 2012 #229

obviously! Douglas Carpenter Mar 2012 #50

These laws have absolutely NOTHING to do with 2nd amendment rights. AlbertCat Mar 2012 #51

and possibly arming a future army consisting of glinda Mar 2012 #154

Not trying to be an ass here johnnie Mar 2012 #58

Ed Shultz just highlighted another case that just happened in Wisconsin due to the castle law TNLib Mar 2012 #72

That was a 20 yr old man hiding in an enclosed back porch in which he was trespassing at 2 am piedmont Mar 2012 #109

the point is there was no investigation and someone should not be shot just for tresspassing TNLib Mar 2012 #151

"After careful review of the evidence in this case, and for the reasons discussed..." piedmont Mar 2012 #171

shooting an unarmed man who is unlawfully on your back porch is not justified Self defense. TNLib Mar 2012 #175

They don't care because it fits their narrow agenda. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #182

I care much more about people being beaten, raped, killed in their own homes by invaders piedmont Mar 2012 #189

And none of these laws have anything to do with that... ellisonz Mar 2012 #198

an opinion piece written by gejohnston Mar 2012 #216

What are you talking about? ellisonz Mar 2012 #236

"Unarmed" has nothing to do with it. piedmont Mar 2012 #188

The homeowner has no way to know the invader is unarmed or that he's alone. AlbertCat Mar 2012 #225

You're making the point for the other side TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #227

Stand Your Ground = Open season on anybody that doesn't look like you.. workinclasszero Mar 2012 #60

That castle law in Wiscconsin is really scary as well TNLib Mar 2012 #61

What are 2nd amendment rights? Zanzoobar Mar 2012 #62

Something to do with well-regulated militias Doctor_J Mar 2012 #70

K/R Jack Rabbit Mar 2012 #63

Sure seems like it. They have had shootings like this all over the place, wherever they have those Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #65

Not for over 200 years. RUMMYisFROSTED Mar 2012 #68

I'll say it with you varelse Mar 2012 #73

What would Jesus NOT do? James48 Mar 2012 #76

A gun. A rope. What's the difference? It's the hate and fear we have to stop. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2012 #78

That is patently false. Lasher Mar 2012 #79

SYG Does Not Mean No Investigation Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #210

time to do to the NRA Estevan Mar 2012 #82

going to have a hard time with that belcffub Mar 2012 #99

A licence to hunt BROWN people. 6000eliot Mar 2012 #83

2nd Amendment is ... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #85

Yep. Rec. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #90

Thank you LynneSin. Chorophyll Mar 2012 #91

What really makes me mad is Pakid Mar 2012 #92

Yup. aquart Mar 2012 #93

You're drinking from the "gun nuts just want an excuse to kill and get away with it" trough. krispos42 Mar 2012 #94

That Trough Gets Topped Off Every Day By The DU Gun Control/RKBA Forum. Paladin Mar 2012 #152

Jesus. krispos42 Mar 2012 #205

Ask Jesus For A More Compelling Response...... (n/t) Paladin Mar 2012 #223

The ignorance displayed by this post and the number of recs it has gotten... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #95

You don't think I understand guns? LynneSin Mar 2012 #115

Why is it you aren't aware of the law? AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #117

You've never walked a mile in Trayvon's shoes. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #119

You have literally no idea who I am or where I've been eqfan592 Mar 2012 #137

Sure I do. And your nondenial denial is proof that I am right. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #176

Yeah? Well, just because of that comment, I gave another rec. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #191

K&R....n/t unkachuck Mar 2012 #96

I'm with you LynneSin Herlong Mar 2012 #102

Correct. WilliamPitt Mar 2012 #103

Selling guns is certainly selling a fantasy. applegrove Mar 2012 #105

If one is a knee-jerk judgmental idiot, this is true. flvegan Mar 2012 #107

Couldn't agree more. (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #138

A) "Gun nuts" is an offensive caricature. Timbuk3 Mar 2012 #110

Read post #7- digonswine Mar 2012 #126

Yeah, sorry, but that doesn't work. Nice try tho. (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #139

You can't be serious???? COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #184

So, if I bash "religious fundamentalists"... 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #185

K&R. And I'm going to take it one step further.. K Gardner Mar 2012 #116

+a million graham4anything Mar 2012 #125

Probably watch... beevul Mar 2012 #233

Which is why the NRA pushes them and law enforcement doesn't. polichick Mar 2012 #127

It seems the Confederacy The Wizard Mar 2012 #128

The South use to have the strictest gun control laws in America hack89 Mar 2012 #144

Jim Crow = Gun Control Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #190

not true gejohnston Mar 2012 #217

indeed... it's about creating a larger demographic for gun sales fascisthunter Mar 2012 #146

It also encourages people to kill rather than mame. DCBob Mar 2012 #149

"It's Past Time to Protect Children Not Guns" bread_and_roses Mar 2012 #150

I agree 100% liberal N proud Mar 2012 #155

The law is absolute bullshit. AngryOldDem Mar 2012 #157

The SYG Laws Are Essential Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #159

You're missing the procedural part of the Florida SYG COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #187

The State Dropped the Ball -- They Can Pick It Up Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #202

I don't disagree with your conclusions, particularly COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #240

Wow, how could America cope all this time without it? 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #192

26+ States Have SYG Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #214

No they don't. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #245

i agree!!! GET RID OF ASSAULT WEAPONS!! trueblue2007 Mar 2012 #164

I agree. The mere fact someone is attracted to something marketed as an "assault" weapon is enough Hoyt Mar 2012 #169

wild wild west marshall gaines Mar 2012 #167

I agree, everyone could have a gun treestar Mar 2012 #172

Opponents Of Florida�s 2005 �Stand Your Ground� Law Predicted �Racially Motivated Killings� ProSense Mar 2012 #178

Yes and human hunters are a dime a dozen. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #195

"Guns don't kill people, People do". Yep - insane people who are allowed to have guns kill people. jillan Mar 2012 #199

I agree with Micheal Moore felix_numinous Mar 2012 #200

Like I said in the Gungeon earlier this week - The Backlash is Here jpak Mar 2012 #228

The admins have the ability to block you guys from posting in the GD forum. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #239

They can block "you guys" too jpak Mar 2012 #241

You're moving the goal posts now. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #242

Yes - "you guys" are so special jpak Mar 2012 #243

The goal post movers are here. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #244

Remember Yoshihiro Hattori? noiretextatique Mar 2012 #231

Agreed. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #250