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mindwalker_i

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34. I think there are a lot of people who "believe in America"

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 08:49 PM

Mar 2014

no matter what. It's kind of a faith for them that America is great. Period. End of story. STFU. When Snowden showed that the government was, essentially, tossing out what many perceive to be a core aspect of the constitution, thus showing America to be more of a police state, people really don't like that because, in effect, it challenges their faith.

Similarly, there are people here who just flat out believe in Obama, more as a matter of faith than because of his actions, it seems. Looking at the symbol they often use, which is the Obama hope symbol from the campaign with a dove, or possibly a halo, really indicates that this is crossing into faith and religious territory. Thus, when Obama says that the program is useful, and people are angry about it, the faith of the people here who "believe in Obama" is being challenged.

Belief and faith are things that can easily be used to get people to work against their own best interests.

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Snowden is a poopy head [View all] G_j Mar 2014 OP

. randome Mar 2014 #1

No Snowwald thread is complete without Pole dancers so... Fumesucker Mar 2014 #2

Are all of 'em Snowden's girlfriend? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #7

It's even worse than that... pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #10

What kind of a person does this? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #14

Dr. Peter Venkman: You're right, no human being would stack [boxes] like this. randome Mar 2014 #26

he is in a world of shit! warrprayer Mar 2014 #3

and, he's in Russia. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2014 #75

What did you say Little Buddy? FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #107

hmmm, I guess I was being redundant JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2014 #115

LOL! Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #4

Snowden: My Leak Has Benefited 'Every Society In The World' ProSense Mar 2014 #5

Obama: This Administration also puts forward a false choice MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #12

LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #15

The pathetic thing is, that Manny refuses to acknowledge the changes Obama and Pelosi made... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #37

You forgot the link. Scuba Mar 2014 #44

Oh, you're right. I absolutely did! ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #54

Well, the "fixes" obviously fixed nothing, as we now know the CIA is spying on the Senate ... Scuba Mar 2014 #77

Actually, Scuba, I agree with you about the CIA ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #104

Yes, I'm sure there's a bright white line between where one CIA ends and NSA begins. Certainly ... Scuba Mar 2014 #105

This statement shows that you have no understanding whatsoever with bureacracy... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #109

It's of "no import" yet you feel compelled to argue against it. Curious. Scuba Mar 2014 #110

It's a stupid website, and I'm bored ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #114

I hear that Manny thinks we have no idea of what's really happening MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #47

I hear that Manny is a master of "Truthiness"... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #55

I hear that Manny enjoys the company of known thespians... MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #57

Heh. Trying to get me banned, Manny? ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #68

Re: drones... do you think US citizens should have their names on a secret kill list MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #93

To be clear, I'd rather not have anyone engaging in acts of war against the U.S. ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #102

So why can't a judge review it? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #103

For several reasons... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #106

When Mr. al-Awlaki was executed, what hot battle was he engaged in? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #108

Hey Manny, you clearly didn't read the link I gave you ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #113

Exactly, Eddie's fans refuse to do that treestar Mar 2014 #80

This is the kind of post that Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #100

+1 PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #19

Poliltifact disagrees with you Number23 Mar 2014 #23

Not all promises are equal. bvar22 Mar 2014 #53

I think that poster may have missed a word when they were reading my post. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #59

See post #56 for a partial list of the MAJOR Broken Promises. bvar22 Mar 2014 #61

Ah, that's what I was waiting for. He keeps 240 promises, breaks 115 Number23 Mar 2014 #62

Many of his compromises can arguably be considered broken promises. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #63

They're called compromises because he probably would have gotten nothing at all Number23 Mar 2014 #65

Barack Obama promised single-payer in 2008. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #66

Most say that he touted or proposed it. He was obviously a huge fan until he realized Number23 Mar 2014 #70

Republicans are going to obstruct no mater what he proposes. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #78

Majorities support gun control too Number23 Mar 2014 #101

FFS a politician cannot make promises treestar Mar 2014 #82

Barack Obama promised to use the power of his office to support single-payer. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #85

He would have voted for it had it passed Congress treestar Mar 2014 #86

I don't doubt that. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #88

"pushing" is meaningless treestar Mar 2014 #91

We may not have gotten single-payer, that's true. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #92

'May not'. 'Might'. randome Mar 2014 #122

I don't see how he could know if he never even tried. n/t PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #131

Name the broken promises. Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #31

Give me a second to put on my comfortable shoes, and then I'll tell you. n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #35

We're still waiting... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #36

Sorry, I guess my allusion to a classic broken promise was too obscure for you... RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #48

I am interested in your thoughts as to where he has failed. i know Rush and Hannity are Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #58

I am personally channeling both Rush and Hannity (and, occasionally, Ramtha). How did you know? n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #60

I hear failures from Hannity, mostly on his part to tell the truth, ergo it is just listening to him Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #67

"I will put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I�ll will walk on that picket line" Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #72

Um, "American Workers"... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #64

Unionized state workers aren't American workers? Good to know that Obama can't show up in a state Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #73

Unions are only as strong as their weakest member, if your only compliant is he "failed" to walk the Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #98

Name the broken promises? bvar22 Mar 2014 #56

You deserve a massive plus one! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #76

Promises are meant to be broken because they are not guaranteed lumpy Mar 2014 #52

It is hilarious to try to put Eddie on any even comparison treestar Mar 2014 #81

I remember that guy. Whatever happened to him? Scuba Mar 2014 #43

. mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #28

That is way too BASIC (NT) reACTIONary Mar 2014 #45

I think with this crowd it is binary only. Rex Mar 2014 #69

He's right! nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #46

Snowden is GOD.. in his Cha Mar 2014 #50

Big K&R!!! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #6

He had a fashionable 'Wall of Constitution' behind him during the SXSW conference! randome Mar 2014 #11

Now we can prove it! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #13

Good one! randome Mar 2014 #22

After all, as GWB told us, it is just a piece of paper. So 18th-20th century. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #74

Leave Snowden Alone!!...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #8

This is so cool ProSense Mar 2014 #9

Google this: https://www.google.com/#q=%22pole+dancing+girlfriend%22 reformist2 Mar 2014 #20

"At first glance, I thought he was wheeling a loaf of bread" Autumn Mar 2014 #16

Did I miss something? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #17

We have met the enemy... warrprayer Mar 2014 #18

Great pic! nt BillZBubb Mar 2014 #25

well said G_j Mar 2014 #27

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #29

Somebody couldn't be bothered to learn the actual charges against Snowden: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #30

The truth. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #32

ROFLMAO !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #21

I thought it was settled with mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #24

The most interesting question is: Exactly what makes him so hated? Bonobo Mar 2014 #33

I think there are a lot of people who "believe in America" mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #34

Similar in ways to the American reaction to Ellsberg, except there was a Republican president and G_j Mar 2014 #42

Excellent Insight tea and oranges Mar 2014 #40

Nobody hates him, he just should face charges treestar Mar 2014 #83

A post of non-sequitors combined with evasions. Bonobo Mar 2014 #84

We have to "hate" him to oppose what he did? treestar Mar 2014 #87

No, you don't have to and I didn't say everyone hates him. Bonobo Mar 2014 #89

Anybody who opposed what he did from the start treestar Mar 2014 #90

Are you saying that Snowden snow'd em? Kablooie Mar 2014 #38

It's really quite pathetic, init? DeSwiss Mar 2014 #39

No worries. There are Acts that protect whistle blowers... L0oniX Mar 2014 #41

Always remember: When you hear Snowden saying he's fighting for the Constitution... baldguy Mar 2014 #49

Fuck yeah. Cha Mar 2014 #51

Hey, at least he is fighting for someone's version. Pholus Mar 2014 #96

Thank you for voicing the Tea Party version of reality. baldguy Mar 2014 #111

Thank you for your support of PNAC. Pholus Mar 2014 #116

Riiiiiight! Barack Obama is now the evil face of PNAC. baldguy Mar 2014 #117

No, just his reflexive apologists. Pholus Mar 2014 #118

Keep digging... you're bound to hit a reasonable argument sometime. baldguy Mar 2014 #119

At least I don't heart Dick Cheney's foul spawn. Pholus Mar 2014 #120

You forget that Snowden thought that leakers under the Bush Regime should be "shot in the balls" baldguy Mar 2014 #121

Who gives a fuck about Snowden? Pholus Mar 2014 #124

damn straight n/t reddread Mar 2014 #125

You and all the morons who defend him. baldguy Mar 2014 #126

So you condemn the Pentagon Papers too then? Pholus Mar 2014 #127

This canard is brought up by people who have no clue what the Pentagon Papers actually were baldguy Mar 2014 #130

Bwahahahaha! So you think there are good leakers.... Pholus Mar 2014 #134

I believe there are people who understand what's going on with the NSA, & there are people who don't baldguy Mar 2014 #135

The opposite of your Cheney-lovin' heart thankfully. Pholus Mar 2014 #137

You're an ideal example of projection. baldguy Mar 2014 #138

Ahhh, projection accusations. You're at the bottom of the rhetorical barrel it seems. Pholus Mar 2014 #139

Snowden: Giving his colleagues the "front-page test" was "reporting it" ProSense Mar 2014 #71

What's all this defensiveness? treestar Mar 2014 #79

k&r for well-executed irony. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #94

Pretty much the apologist argument. Pholus Mar 2014 #95

He is also a meaniebutt! QC Mar 2014 #97

"Snowden is a poopy head" True that. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #99

So? Kim Kardashian lost twenty pounds. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #112

My findings indicate that he is greater than OR equal to a poopyhead! N/T actslikeacarrot Mar 2014 #123

Some Snowden supporters would vote flamingdem Mar 2014 #128

I suppose you deserve some sort of award G_j Mar 2014 #129

Seems you haven't been paying attention to the ebb & flow of this debate. baldguy Mar 2014 #132

nonsense G_j Mar 2014 #133

Yeah, they do. baldguy Mar 2014 #136