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In reply to the discussion: Snowden is a poopy head [View all]

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
68. Heh. Trying to get me banned, Manny?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:51 AM
Mar 2014

Well, let's give it a shot anyway...

- EW is pro gun-control. In many places in Oregon, "gun control" means using both hands. They're literally work tools. (Although I will say that I'd like to see the kids go to mandatory gun-safety classes; but then many gun rights advocates aren't the nutcase extremists you see in the GOP - many who clearly don't actually know how to handle firearms, and seem to only want to have them so as to posture in racist-Rambo fantasies.)

- Surprisingly, I actually see eye-to-eye on EW in terms of environmental policy. It's just that she's a lot more conservative than she lets on. The League of Conservation Voters gives her a rating of 22%. I'm not against the environment, but I am in general pretty pro-property rights. What do you tell a lady you meet at the cafe whose entire retirement beyond a minimal Social Security is the stand of trees growing on her land? (Value about $45K.) You say: "No, don't cry. Just because Democrats have won, it doesn't mean they're going to take away your ability to harvest them."

- I'm "pro" NSA. They got us the lead that led to Osama bin Laden. And the fact that they, like the IRS, know a lot about people's personal lives, doesn't bother me. And again, just like the IRS, they're bound not to tell anyone who doesn't have a legal right to know. I see a lot more governmental overreach in the "No Fly List" than I do anything that the NSA has done. Mind you, *both* of my Senators (Wyden & Merkley) are completely anti-NSA, but I'm grown up enough to know you can't win 'em all; I don't hold my breath and turning blue. So I do support them. Substantially. Senator Merkley knows me by name, and the both (their staffs) send me X-Mas cards.

- I'm generally in favor of measured drone warfare against terrorists, when apprehension and trial is too dangerous. Actually, looking carefully at her positions, this also may not be an issue where there is much daylight between Senator Warren and myself. I think if she *was* elected President, the good Senator might be soon attacked on the D.U. for not being a purist. (Plus, she's a Democratic elected, so she would be attacked no matter what she did.)

- As you might have noticed, I'm not at all hostile to the idea of more direct government intervention to help people economically. Rural economies need the help desperately. And many of Senator Warren's ideas seem perfectly fine things to try. Perhaps in the past I might have wondered about her effectiveness in pushing for, say, the Post Office to offer banking services, rather than relaxing restrictions on Credit Unions, since the latter seems more politically doable. But at this point, nothing is doable. The GOP is in terror of the economy getting better. So why not just throw ideas out there?

I am on the conservative end of the Democratic spectrum. However this does not make me a Republican Tea-Partier by any stretch of the imagination. But I also know such people well enough to know that they're not evil either. Or at least not most of them. Mostly, they're just living in their own alternate reality where the Social Security checks they pick up are "government repayments of only half the taxes they've been forced to pay" (despite the numbers saying the opposite), and are too angry to realize that they're the beneficiaries of such programs. (The lady in the Koch commercial is *absolutely* typical - understand she's not lying; she really believes what she's saying.) They're also very religious and give extremely generously at church, despite living on the edge of the poverty line.

I don't see Senator Warren as a hater, which probably explains my warm reaction to her.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Snowden is a poopy head [View all] G_j Mar 2014 OP
. randome Mar 2014 #1
No Snowwald thread is complete without Pole dancers so... Fumesucker Mar 2014 #2
Are all of 'em Snowden's girlfriend? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #7
It's even worse than that... pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #10
What kind of a person does this? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #14
Dr. Peter Venkman: You're right, no human being would stack [boxes] like this. randome Mar 2014 #26
he is in a world of shit! warrprayer Mar 2014 #3
and, he's in Russia. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2014 #75
What did you say Little Buddy? FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #107
hmmm, I guess I was being redundant JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2014 #115
LOL! Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #4
Snowden: My Leak Has Benefited 'Every Society In The World' ProSense Mar 2014 #5
Obama: This Administration also puts forward a false choice MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #12
LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #15
The pathetic thing is, that Manny refuses to acknowledge the changes Obama and Pelosi made... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #37
You forgot the link. Scuba Mar 2014 #44
Oh, you're right. I absolutely did! ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #54
Well, the "fixes" obviously fixed nothing, as we now know the CIA is spying on the Senate ... Scuba Mar 2014 #77
Actually, Scuba, I agree with you about the CIA ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #104
Yes, I'm sure there's a bright white line between where one CIA ends and NSA begins. Certainly ... Scuba Mar 2014 #105
This statement shows that you have no understanding whatsoever with bureacracy... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #109
It's of "no import" yet you feel compelled to argue against it. Curious. Scuba Mar 2014 #110
It's a stupid website, and I'm bored ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #114
I hear that Manny thinks we have no idea of what's really happening MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #47
I hear that Manny is a master of "Truthiness"... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #55
I hear that Manny enjoys the company of known thespians... MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #57
Heh. Trying to get me banned, Manny? ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #68
Re: drones... do you think US citizens should have their names on a secret kill list MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #93
To be clear, I'd rather not have anyone engaging in acts of war against the U.S. ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #102
So why can't a judge review it? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #103
For several reasons... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #106
When Mr. al-Awlaki was executed, what hot battle was he engaged in? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #108
Hey Manny, you clearly didn't read the link I gave you ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #113
Exactly, Eddie's fans refuse to do that treestar Mar 2014 #80
This is the kind of post that Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #100
+1 PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #19
Poliltifact disagrees with you Number23 Mar 2014 #23
Not all promises are equal. bvar22 Mar 2014 #53
I think that poster may have missed a word when they were reading my post. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #59
See post #56 for a partial list of the MAJOR Broken Promises. bvar22 Mar 2014 #61
Ah, that's what I was waiting for. He keeps 240 promises, breaks 115 Number23 Mar 2014 #62
Many of his compromises can arguably be considered broken promises. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #63
They're called compromises because he probably would have gotten nothing at all Number23 Mar 2014 #65
Barack Obama promised single-payer in 2008. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #66
Most say that he touted or proposed it. He was obviously a huge fan until he realized Number23 Mar 2014 #70
Republicans are going to obstruct no mater what he proposes. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #78
Majorities support gun control too Number23 Mar 2014 #101
FFS a politician cannot make promises treestar Mar 2014 #82
Barack Obama promised to use the power of his office to support single-payer. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #85
He would have voted for it had it passed Congress treestar Mar 2014 #86
I don't doubt that. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #88
"pushing" is meaningless treestar Mar 2014 #91
We may not have gotten single-payer, that's true. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #92
'May not'. 'Might'. randome Mar 2014 #122
I don't see how he could know if he never even tried. n/t PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #131
Name the broken promises. Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #31
Give me a second to put on my comfortable shoes, and then I'll tell you. n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #35
We're still waiting... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #36
Sorry, I guess my allusion to a classic broken promise was too obscure for you... RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #48
I am interested in your thoughts as to where he has failed. i know Rush and Hannity are Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #58
I am personally channeling both Rush and Hannity (and, occasionally, Ramtha). How did you know? n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #60
I hear failures from Hannity, mostly on his part to tell the truth, ergo it is just listening to him Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #67
"I will put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll will walk on that picket line" Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #72
Um, "American Workers"... ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #64
Unionized state workers aren't American workers? Good to know that Obama can't show up in a state Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #73
Unions are only as strong as their weakest member, if your only compliant is he "failed" to walk the Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #98
Name the broken promises? bvar22 Mar 2014 #56
You deserve a massive plus one! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #76
Promises are meant to be broken because they are not guaranteed lumpy Mar 2014 #52
It is hilarious to try to put Eddie on any even comparison treestar Mar 2014 #81
I remember that guy. Whatever happened to him? Scuba Mar 2014 #43
. mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #28
That is way too BASIC (NT) reACTIONary Mar 2014 #45
I think with this crowd it is binary only. Rex Mar 2014 #69
He's right! nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #46
Snowden is GOD.. in his Cha Mar 2014 #50
Big K&R!!! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #6
He had a fashionable 'Wall of Constitution' behind him during the SXSW conference! randome Mar 2014 #11
Now we can prove it! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #13
Good one! randome Mar 2014 #22
After all, as GWB told us, it is just a piece of paper. So 18th-20th century. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #74
Leave Snowden Alone!!...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #8
This is so cool ProSense Mar 2014 #9
Google this: https://www.google.com/#q=%22pole+dancing+girlfriend%22 reformist2 Mar 2014 #20
"At first glance, I thought he was wheeling a loaf of bread" Autumn Mar 2014 #16
Did I miss something? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #17
We have met the enemy... warrprayer Mar 2014 #18
Great pic! nt BillZBubb Mar 2014 #25
well said G_j Mar 2014 #27
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #29
Somebody couldn't be bothered to learn the actual charges against Snowden: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #30
The truth. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #32
ROFLMAO !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #21
I thought it was settled with mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #24
The most interesting question is: Exactly what makes him so hated? Bonobo Mar 2014 #33
I think there are a lot of people who "believe in America" mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #34
Similar in ways to the American reaction to Ellsberg, except there was a Republican president and G_j Mar 2014 #42
Excellent Insight tea and oranges Mar 2014 #40
Nobody hates him, he just should face charges treestar Mar 2014 #83
A post of non-sequitors combined with evasions. Bonobo Mar 2014 #84
We have to "hate" him to oppose what he did? treestar Mar 2014 #87
No, you don't have to and I didn't say everyone hates him. Bonobo Mar 2014 #89
Anybody who opposed what he did from the start treestar Mar 2014 #90
Are you saying that Snowden snow'd em? Kablooie Mar 2014 #38
It's really quite pathetic, init? DeSwiss Mar 2014 #39
No worries. There are Acts that protect whistle blowers... L0oniX Mar 2014 #41
Always remember: When you hear Snowden saying he's fighting for the Constitution... baldguy Mar 2014 #49
Fuck yeah. Cha Mar 2014 #51
Hey, at least he is fighting for someone's version. Pholus Mar 2014 #96
Thank you for voicing the Tea Party version of reality. baldguy Mar 2014 #111
Thank you for your support of PNAC. Pholus Mar 2014 #116
Riiiiiight! Barack Obama is now the evil face of PNAC. baldguy Mar 2014 #117
No, just his reflexive apologists. Pholus Mar 2014 #118
Keep digging... you're bound to hit a reasonable argument sometime. baldguy Mar 2014 #119
At least I don't heart Dick Cheney's foul spawn. Pholus Mar 2014 #120
You forget that Snowden thought that leakers under the Bush Regime should be "shot in the balls" baldguy Mar 2014 #121
Who gives a fuck about Snowden? Pholus Mar 2014 #124
damn straight n/t reddread Mar 2014 #125
You and all the morons who defend him. baldguy Mar 2014 #126
So you condemn the Pentagon Papers too then? Pholus Mar 2014 #127
This canard is brought up by people who have no clue what the Pentagon Papers actually were baldguy Mar 2014 #130
Bwahahahaha! So you think there are good leakers.... Pholus Mar 2014 #134
I believe there are people who understand what's going on with the NSA, & there are people who don't baldguy Mar 2014 #135
The opposite of your Cheney-lovin' heart thankfully. Pholus Mar 2014 #137
You're an ideal example of projection. baldguy Mar 2014 #138
Ahhh, projection accusations. You're at the bottom of the rhetorical barrel it seems. Pholus Mar 2014 #139
Snowden: Giving his colleagues the "front-page test" was "reporting it" ProSense Mar 2014 #71
What's all this defensiveness? treestar Mar 2014 #79
k&r for well-executed irony. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #94
Pretty much the apologist argument. Pholus Mar 2014 #95
He is also a meaniebutt! QC Mar 2014 #97
"Snowden is a poopy head" True that. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #99
So? Kim Kardashian lost twenty pounds. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #112
My findings indicate that he is greater than OR equal to a poopyhead! N/T actslikeacarrot Mar 2014 #123
Some Snowden supporters would vote flamingdem Mar 2014 #128
I suppose you deserve some sort of award G_j Mar 2014 #129
Seems you haven't been paying attention to the ebb & flow of this debate. baldguy Mar 2014 #132
nonsense G_j Mar 2014 #133
Yeah, they do. baldguy Mar 2014 #136
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