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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts) Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:24 PM Mar 2014

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You know what cracks me up...and I mean all the way the fuck up? [View all]

If Edward Snowden had pulled his caper anywhere between January 2001 and January 2009, you people calling him a criminal would be building statues of him in your front yards. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, you would...so, basically, I am calling you suckers for the Team Sports aspect of American politics.

To wit: if Snowden's revelations hurt Bush, you'd throw him a fucking bunting-beveled parade...but ermahgerd, it hurts Obama...he's a criminal.

With all respect: find a fucking mirror.

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You know what cracks me up...and I mean all the way the fuck up? [View all] WilliamPitt Mar 2014 OP

Well said, Will. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #1

what he said.... mike_c Mar 2014 #2

Nailed it! City Lights Mar 2014 #3

So right. (nt) enough Mar 2014 #4

Yes, yes, yes! truebluegreen Mar 2014 #5

Snowden is a liar, and ProSense Mar 2014 #6

Another of your great Gossip Columns-- but without the nasally intonation of Hedda Hopper LanternWaste Mar 2014 #11

I've ProSense Mar 2014 #12

Isn't this OP actually just gossip? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #26

And Around And Around... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #111

I know ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #193

I Keep Wandering... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #293

What does 'winning' mean to you? n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #447

+1 treestar Mar 2014 #205

Yup sheshe2 Mar 2014 #472

I don't mean to step on your comment, but that's a picture of Louella Parsons, Hopper's rival. QuestForSense Mar 2014 #150

This kind of OP agitation is expected when another one of Snowass lies is exposed. Whisp Mar 2014 #66

What "Lie" was that, and how was it "exposed"? bvar22 Mar 2014 #90

ohhh, maybe the fact he initially said he had to run because Whisp Mar 2014 #102

#1 You were asked for "documentation" and FAILED to provide it. bvar22 Mar 2014 #116

. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #147

Thank You. bvar22 Mar 2014 #160

"Easy... but frustrating." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #161

Snowden is a creepy liar, you are going to have to deal with that sooner Whisp Mar 2014 #261

To call someone what you did in response to what documentation you have to call "liar" is ad hominem MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #270

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #277

First... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #316

lol, have a nice one and watch that BP. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #336

I get it... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #458

I dont give a good damn if he is a liar or GG is a liar. The door has been opened to reveal we have rhett o rick Mar 2014 #353

LOL bvar22 Mar 2014 #418

And yet, he and Greenwald, btw please refrain from using that homphobic attack on Greenwald, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #438

what homophobic attack? Whisp Mar 2014 #443

Are you ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #259

Eddie knows he broke that lamp in 1994, runnin in the hall like he always did and he tried to blame TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #291

I got a headache. 840high Mar 2014 #99

You were up in arms when Bush was in office LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #103

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #112

Nah... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #163

You know why ProSense Mar 2014 #167

What... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #175

Let's see ProSense Mar 2014 #178

I read the OP malokvale77 Mar 2014 #181

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #189

You didn't know who I was the last time... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #196

Evidently, ProSense Mar 2014 #200

No... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #206

most people here don't buy the adoration and adualation cali Mar 2014 #405

Nonsense from Prosense!! Now that would never happen!! madinmaryland Mar 2014 #210

Do we really have to LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #477

Right, because this thing existed at the time called "Warrantless wiretapping". It doesnt exist now. stevenleser Mar 2014 #391

LOL LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #476

According to whom? Most rulings say its both. stevenleser Mar 2014 #478

You sure do spend a lot of time trying to discredit a guy when it's not even about the guy. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #172

What's this OP about? ProSense Mar 2014 #176

The OP is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Snowden detractors. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #177

Imaginary hypocrisy, since Eddie didn't do any treestar Mar 2014 #208

So It IS All About Obama... Thank You... In Poker... That's Known As A "Tell"... WillyT Mar 2014 #220

That's gonna leave a mark... n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #263

but but but, sheshe2 Mar 2014 #287

Just goes to show that Obama is *not* Bush 3! And about that marketing BS: freshwest Mar 2014 #295

A skidmark, that's about it. nt Union Scribe Mar 2014 #294

But enough about your evening... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #334

Well I suppose one groaner deserves another Union Scribe Mar 2014 #474

. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #475

Snowden is a liar and a theif.. Vietnameravet Mar 2014 #186

You can't spell. malokvale77 Mar 2014 #197

Here… give this to em... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #271

Misspellings make a person seem so real. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #304

You're missing something. Are you going to tell us what Snowden lied about? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #342

Thanks for your insiteful post, Mr. Plouffe. nt madinmaryland Mar 2014 #207

LOL Enthusiast Mar 2014 #229

This ProSense Mar 2014 #231

LOL! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #233

Here's a link to one of my own threads nxylas Mar 2014 #309

LOL! nxylas Mar 2014 #311

I'm a huge fan of public transportation. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #322

Your obsession smacks of desperation. You cant be open-minded when the President is involved. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #249

It's flee. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #273

Lol! Still trying eh? I wonder if your just lines of code somewhere..100k plus entries... Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #299

There's no doubt in my mind. nxylas Mar 2014 #314

Good lord, thats a brilliant observation! Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #340

Flee Enthusiast Mar 2014 #301

and she comes flying in a rage. Yes, a rage, pro. cali Mar 2014 #403

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #404

With all respect: K and fucking R Autumn Mar 2014 #7

Will, get a grip RobertEarl Mar 2014 #8

put them on ignore bobduca Mar 2014 #279

Are Snowden haters.. one_voice Mar 2014 #378

Get the feeling you're sharing the lifeboat sibelian Mar 2014 #9

Anything else you'd like to share, Will? MineralMan Mar 2014 #10

some people are insensitive and forget there are posters here that voted for bush.. frylock Mar 2014 #21

Are there? I haven't run into any. MineralMan Mar 2014 #24

really? frylock Mar 2014 #28

There are a couple here that I know of. MineralMan Mar 2014 #31

you want I should kick your anti-freeper ass, MineralMan? Skittles Mar 2014 #120

I've had my full quota of ass kickings, but MineralMan Mar 2014 #182

Really? I have crossed paths with some that I bet would vote for him a third time. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #100

I never assume anything about anyone. MineralMan Mar 2014 #185

I think he hit the nail right on the head. Don't you? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #22

How nice. nt MineralMan Mar 2014 #27

Jury results: 1000words Mar 2014 #41

LOL. I figured as much. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #49

Someone alerted on that minor insult? MineralMan Mar 2014 #50

A mystery for the ages. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #53

Do you think I alerted? Look at the alert MineralMan Mar 2014 #58

There are some very petty folks here at DU 1000words Mar 2014 #65

Well, I wouldn't have alerted on that. MineralMan Mar 2014 #69

isn't it time for alerters to be identifiable? grasswire Mar 2014 #188

If it goes 0-6, I think alerter should be ID'd 1000words Mar 2014 #190

...but you would be hurting someones grandparrents. L0oniX Mar 2014 #362

Yes panader0 Mar 2014 #191

I don't think that's a good idea. MineralMan Mar 2014 #192

no I think he made a really stupid point hfojvt Mar 2014 #57

He made an EXCELLENT point and you just drove it home like Old John Henry, the steel drivin' man. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #75

if you say so hfojvt Mar 2014 #85

No. The agenda didn't change. In fact it expanded. cui bono Mar 2014 #136

uhm, there's kinda more than one part to the agenda hfojvt Mar 2014 #242

I honestly thought this was sarcasm. Marr Mar 2014 #253

I give up Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #13

Well, what would ike to happen, Blue_Tires? sibelian Mar 2014 #15

A halfway mature big-picture discussion would be a start... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #52

I missed that post, but I would have advocated to abolish the NSA, not appoint a new head 2banon Mar 2014 #63

Beautiful (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #201

What would you replace it with and with what powers? n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #296

Well, we already have the Defense Department to deal with National Security threats 2banon Mar 2014 #462

Do any of those departments have the expertise & architecture for cyber warfare? Whisp Mar 2014 #463

you're kidding, right? 2banon Mar 2014 #464

It was a serious question. Does the FBI or the DoD have the know how Whisp Mar 2014 #465

DOD's purview covers the entire spectrum of national security threats 2banon Mar 2014 #467

at least the overwhelming sentiment remains obvious reddread Mar 2014 #19

Yep. It's entirely possible to support NSA reform and still think what Snowden did was illegal and Number23 Mar 2014 #153

Exactly! one_voice Mar 2014 #381

I think it's actually much worse. When you've got half-literate OPs sitting at the top of the Number23 Mar 2014 #452

Yes, and look at this post that was hidden... sheshe2 Mar 2014 #468

That is beyond moronic. Unbelievable Number23 Mar 2014 #469

Exactly! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #471

Just like that cali thread, it's about the posters on DU treestar Mar 2014 #213

I think you may be extending too much credit reddread Mar 2014 #14

Funny that. (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #209

I'm not so sure. Many of these DLC/Third Way types cheered Bush and his warmongering, etc. Zorra Mar 2014 #16

It hasn't changed much today either. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #151

"anti-American fringe" Enthusiast Mar 2014 #307

You might want to take what jurors said into consideration, even if not hidden uppityperson Mar 2014 #17

I was also a juror and agree with you. n/t one_voice Mar 2014 #20

Someone actually alerted on this OP? WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #59

It wasn't really alert-worthy. Lame, but not MineralMan Mar 2014 #73

4/6 jurors thought it was at minimum rude, makes DU suck. I thought you might care. uppityperson Mar 2014 #74

whoosh... one_voice Mar 2014 #80

Wow. Whoosh is exactly right Number23 Mar 2014 #155

May I have your autograph? MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #275

There was no TOS violation. The hiders should be banned from jury duty. L0oniX Mar 2014 #358

If you don't vote with majority, you should be banned from jury duty? uppityperson Mar 2014 #361

I said that? There are treatments for seeing shit that ain't there. L0oniX Mar 2014 #363

Wrong. Jurors handle potential violations of Community Standards. 125 juries & you've been Admin? uppityperson Mar 2014 #367

Wrong and seeing shit that ain't there:"If you don't vote with majority" L0oniX Mar 2014 #369

"You hide if its a violation of TOS ...and for no other reason." 125 juries and you've been doing it uppityperson Mar 2014 #370

One other huge amusement... Pholus Mar 2014 #18

very well said azurnoir Mar 2014 #23

No one has to wonder about that. When Bush/Cheney were caught spying on the American people, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #25

+1 LAGC Mar 2014 #198

and how many of those ran to China and Russia with the hot goods? Whisp Mar 2014 #264

All of them support Snowden's decision BECAUSE of how they were silenced. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #437

Exactly! Randomthought Mar 2014 #29

I'll kick and rec that. reflection Mar 2014 #30

Yes, I would use those disclosures to discredit a Republican administration. PhilSays Mar 2014 #32

What PhilSays! Welcome to DU! mountain grammy Mar 2014 #44

you cannot be serious Skittles Mar 2014 #71

No, but seriously is government spying anything new and different mountain grammy Mar 2014 #106

I....er......I will just leave it there Skittles Mar 2014 #107

now serving boiled froglegs reddread Mar 2014 #129

STOP IT REDDREAD Skittles Mar 2014 #130

alright reddread Mar 2014 #134

Apparently they are. zeemike Mar 2014 #109

it is mind-boggling Skittles Mar 2014 #117

Wow. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #64

No friggin' kidding mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #252

this was juried and left to stay. Whisp Mar 2014 #265

At least he's not a hypocrite. joshcryer Mar 2014 #282

So now people don't care enough to suit you! randome Mar 2014 #407

Without even knowing it you listed the most important problem with what the NSA is capable of doing. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #122

I like this very much. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #308

The moral consequences of some tools of state transcend party loyalty. sibelian Mar 2014 #315

"Since I honestly, deep down, do not even give the slightest shit about what the NSA or CIA does" L0oniX Mar 2014 #371

"Since I honestly, deep down, do not even give the slightest shit about what the NSA or CIA does... sibelian Mar 2014 #456

Snowden rmoody1958 Mar 2014 #33

Really? Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #42

Taking it to another country? That's the treasonous part. eom Blanks Mar 2014 #141

Hmmm... Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #162

I was merely pointing out that you didn't address all of the issues... Blanks Mar 2014 #344

I understand the definition of treason Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #351

I don't think that's the real question... Blanks Mar 2014 #392

Personally I am agnostic on Snowden as a person Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #398

Yep. Just like that other traitor, Daniel Ellsberg. bvar22 Mar 2014 #401

He went to the press, stood trial, and was found not guilty... Blanks Mar 2014 #415

The other countrys already knew they were under surveillance. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #312

I'm sure there's plenty of treason to go around. Blanks Mar 2014 #346

In a corporate owned global economy world ...that means very little now. L0oniX Mar 2014 #359

I see. So we don't need to show any loyalty to the U.S.A. any more... Blanks Mar 2014 #393

loyalty to who? Masters or slaves? n/t reddread Mar 2014 #394

To our fellow countrymen (and countrywomen). eom Blanks Mar 2014 #395

the surveillors or the surveilees? reddread Mar 2014 #397

The surveilees. Blanks Mar 2014 #414

Tell that to the corporations. L0oniX Mar 2014 #402

So, your definition of treason includes mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #62

Pssst. kristopher Mar 2014 #148

True enough. It seemed hard to put that in the post mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #159

+1 an entire shit load! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #313

Some people here would not agree that what Snowden did was treason apparently. lumpy Mar 2014 #239

Apparently you didn't understand your oath to protect the constitution. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #310

I don't give a shit about "treason" sibelian Mar 2014 #318

You don't think what the NSA and CIA is doing is treason? freebrew Mar 2014 #343

Thank you, sir! Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #34

Both can be true. NSA revelation is a good thing. Snowden's resume and timing deserve scrutiny. blm Mar 2014 #35

How and where has Snowden made the narrative "personal to Obama"? sibelian Mar 2014 #320

Derp... SidDithers Mar 2014 #36

Ah, so the truth is unwelcome Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #45

"If the truth is unwelcome here, how are we any different than the Right?" Enthusiast Mar 2014 #317

+100 mountain grammy Mar 2014 #48

I think it's parti-fucking-san. You're welcome. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #83

You can think it's wha-the-fuck-ever you want...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #84

Yes, I gave myself that permission long ago. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #87

And I'm giving it to you again right now...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #91

He's also cussing out newbies and telling them to go "unfuck themselves" Number23 Mar 2014 #165

Ahh, whining about the DU. nt Logical Mar 2014 #230

Todays Wheel of Derp? L0oniX Mar 2014 #357

then again, some of us are smart enough to know that the president really doesnt run the nsa. mopinko Mar 2014 #37

Sometimes I feel that their solution to the NSA CIA illegalities Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #38

Not far fetched jsr Mar 2014 #145

Wah...and how much Ed love comes from those who like to see Obama damaged BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #39

i know that i voted for obama twice so that i could damage him.. frylock Mar 2014 #76

He has betrayed you and you are outraged BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #88

We never loved him. sibelian Mar 2014 #324

Agreed, they would not care about it treestar Mar 2014 #211

And people here were up in arms then too. Some of us have memories. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #292

I was thinking the same but didn't know where to post it WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #40

Whatever you do, make sure you don't read their posts jeff47 Mar 2014 #43

Which ones and which point? JoeyT Mar 2014 #154

You're shocked when hurling insults doesn't result in thoughtful conversation? jeff47 Mar 2014 #225

I do not know which is the more spineless act. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2014 #46

Some would, that's for sure Warpy Mar 2014 #47

We are not supposed to be paying attention. zeemike Mar 2014 #124

Yes and it's been that way for a very long time. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #173

well Warpy Caretha Mar 2014 #237

!!!!! FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #51

Pretty much. bigwillq Mar 2014 #54

Politics reduced to team sport n/t markpkessinger Mar 2014 #55

Spot on. Ron Obvious Mar 2014 #56

ty Ann of You Peoples. lol. Whisp Mar 2014 #60

Our "team" gets more recs for insulting the other "team." ProSense Mar 2014 #72

Please don't start with the Putin lover! libertarian! insults. please. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #89

Please, ProSense Mar 2014 #96

Hells yeah! Dick Cheney loves your writing! Pholus Mar 2014 #303

But it didn't happen in the Bush era CJCRANE Mar 2014 #61

Very few people raised their voice? bvar22 Mar 2014 #406

LARGEST PROTESTS IN HUMAN HISTORY reddread Mar 2014 #408

You've proved the point that the MSM ignored most of the dissent. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #413

no i didnt. reddread Mar 2014 #423

Well, I corrected and clarified my point in that case. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #424

look what you have done!!! reddread Mar 2014 #426

I've followed politics very closely since 2002 here on DU. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #429

the correct description is that resistance has been defused and discouraged reddread Mar 2014 #432

I mostly agree with you CJCRANE Mar 2014 #434

think of them as broken cuckoo clocks! n/t reddread Mar 2014 #436

If only we could harness all that Tea Party energy CJCRANE Mar 2014 #448

The Truth n2doc Mar 2014 #67

I guess the difference is that some people support anyone who reveals the wickedness of any hughee99 Mar 2014 #92

Anger isn't a gift Will. tridim Mar 2014 #68

Wrong Again. bvar22 Mar 2014 #105

it's not anger, it's wanting attention, wanting to be popular JI7 Mar 2014 #260

I have been sick of them for a long time Skittles Mar 2014 #70

A favorite: ProSense Mar 2014 #77

...^ that 840high Mar 2014 #101

If American Idol reruns ran 24/7 they wouldn't even be here. L0oniX Mar 2014 #364

what's really disturbing is Skittles Mar 2014 #421

So obvious and true, but those guilty of this won't see it refers to them.eom Cleita Mar 2014 #78

They see it... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #217

They already have their little McCarthy alert gang on the war path. L0oniX Mar 2014 #365

Thank you!!!!! Well said! nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #79

His revelations did hurt the Bush admin mikeysnot Mar 2014 #81

No. No. No. No, I would not. Wait Wut Mar 2014 #82

They are what are called the "yes men" for the administration. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #86

Humongous K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #93

No, it's much more nuanced than that. The timeline makes that clear. stevenleser Mar 2014 #94

your apparent willing acquiesence to tyranny.... grasswire Mar 2014 #232

The melodrama in your post has made me feel amused. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #256

Funny that so many of us agree with the OP but disagree with you. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #321

Why should I care about that if the facts are with me? The OP is clearly wrong here. stevenleser Mar 2014 #377

Pfft! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #384

Just as I expected. Outside of the argumentum ad populum logical fallacy, you have nothing. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #386

I can see right through you. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #388

And you go from one logical fallacy to another. Address the facts in my post or give up and admit stevenleser Mar 2014 #389

And you go from one claim of logical fallacy to another. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #442

Because you keep using them. Stop using them. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #444

Now if only people here would take the time to read and look for the facts....Thanks. lumpy Mar 2014 #244

It's apparently much more fun to appeal to popular misconceptions and get Recs than educate stevenleser Mar 2014 #382

This OP cannot be bothered with facts. Whisp Mar 2014 #297

Not only that, the OP is apparently a hit and run. He appears unable to respond to dissent stevenleser Mar 2014 #383

He wouldn't have made such revelations in the Bush years. Orsino Mar 2014 #95

rec with pleasure. 840high Mar 2014 #97

Yes, the hypocrisy is aggravating and that's the whole point. pa28 Mar 2014 #98

Except Snowden is exactly the type of person Will is berating. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #104

How is it hypocritical to not have done JoePhilly Mar 2014 #199

+ 1000 sibelian Mar 2014 #325

I don't see how any of this "hurts" Obama. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #108

It doesn't. It's ProSense Mar 2014 #115

You're slipping. Pholus Mar 2014 #118

So ProSense Mar 2014 #126

Hardly. Pholus Mar 2014 #302

Does she actually think people Puglover Mar 2014 #347

Naw. When it comes to Snowden, it's pure bile. Pholus Mar 2014 #376

Thanks lumpy Mar 2014 #245

It's hurts strawman Obama. tridim Mar 2014 #123

That and mocking anyone who has any varying JaneyVee Mar 2014 #142

^^^ this ^^^ malokvale77 Mar 2014 #184

"crypto-authoritarianism" joshcryer Mar 2014 #280

With a dash of McCarthyism. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #323

It's the same group, too. joshcryer Mar 2014 #333

and while decrying "fascism and tyranny" they support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. stevenleser Mar 2014 #409

Yeah, you can't just be against NSA over reach, you MUST also JaneyVee Mar 2014 #459

They were just hoping it would treestar Mar 2014 #214

I suspect some are not cognizant of the dissonance, BUT AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #110

+1,000 malaise Mar 2014 #113

it would seem so G_j Mar 2014 #114

It did happen with the NYT revelations about warrantless wiretapping. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #121

Thanks for saying this. I agree. vlakitti Mar 2014 #119

Of course! albino65 Mar 2014 #125

Rec'd. Short, sweet and to the point. Thank you n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #127

It ought not hurt Obama, who walked into this existing mine field called PRISM, and is not God Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #128

I'm sorry, but that doesn't fly. Skip Intro Mar 2014 #131

Oh you're one of the ones that thinks he has absolute power. GOT IT! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #135

He does have the power that comes with the office. NSA is part of the Defesne Dept., Skip Intro Mar 2014 #137

But there are presidents with support (Reagan) and there are presidents with none Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #139

You're just wrong here, sorry. Obama is not helpless or in the dark on this. Skip Intro Mar 2014 #143

you know Skittles Mar 2014 #133

While I agree that it's primarily Bush's fault, JoeyT Mar 2014 #156

Perhaps. Perhaps if he hadn't been accused of being a Muslim by the GOP scourge... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #235

Obama is forced to spy on all of us because baggers called him names? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #348

Stop pretending to be silly. It's not becoming. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #374

I was trying to be nice. If you want the full measure of how ill-considered your statement was... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #379

I have an idea! I'll ignore you and your Republican-like attacks on Obama, and prob solved! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #380

you either wake up or you dont reddread Mar 2014 #385

It has been over 5 fuckin years. bvar22 Mar 2014 #417

Snowden exposed government corruption during Obama's presidency, Zorra Mar 2014 #183

There are cracks in your logic. Snowden was against leakers before he was for it. brush Mar 2014 #132

Agreed. Snowden Did Do it to the Obama Admin, Not the Bush Admin LarryNM Mar 2014 #243

No Truer Words. jsr Mar 2014 #138

Top recommended post? Must have said something a lot of folks Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #140

Too many people ASSUME that when a Democrat gets in the whole government goes Blue. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #144

I wanted to see ProSense Mar 2014 #146

You know what cracks me up, Will? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #149

The presidency of Barack Obama sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #152

You need to take some time out and write something else. gulliver Mar 2014 #157

It's an easy way to get recs. Disparage one group of DUers CJCRANE Mar 2014 #164

Verily lumpy Mar 2014 #285

As irreverent as this is cprise Mar 2014 #158

K & R AzDar Mar 2014 #166

True... maced666 Mar 2014 #168

You're exactly right. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #169

Pretty much. n/t demmiblue Mar 2014 #170

********************BULLLLLLLLL FUCKIN SHIT!!!!!********************* uponit7771 Mar 2014 #171

I like your spirit! treestar Mar 2014 #212

You mad? L0oniX Mar 2014 #368

You got that right...... BlueJac Mar 2014 #174

With all respect..; Vietnameravet Mar 2014 #179

Lots of "respect" there HangOnKids Mar 2014 #224

Verily lumpy Mar 2014 #286

nope, iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #180

Yes lumpy Mar 2014 #288

Tools helping build a beast that will fuck us all. K&R n/t whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #187

Just wait until Hillary's President. I don't think I can stomach LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #194

That's the whole problem isn't it? pa28 Mar 2014 #234

"It's not about Snowden! It's about all you folk who don't like Snowden!" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #195

and of course not agreeing with what he did means we hate him treestar Mar 2014 #215

How does it hurt either of them? treestar Mar 2014 #202

You really kicked a hornet's nest in this thread. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #203

Must be Tuesday. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #216

You've done it again! 1000words Mar 2014 #240

Perfect ProSense Mar 2014 #221

I'm honored that you responded to me. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #222

My bad ProSense Mar 2014 #226

Now I'm somebody! ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #227

The Glow wears off before too long.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #236

"This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security." nt pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #204

DU rec frwrfpos Mar 2014 #218

It's called hypocrisy. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #219

So true. But they will not get it. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #223

K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #228

I was just thinking of that same thing recently...... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #238

now we send in the drones reddread Mar 2014 #241

The libertarian left has always been concerned about things like that. ecstatic Mar 2014 #246

How do you feel about Herr Gen Clapper? rhett o rick Mar 2014 #250

The Libertarian left ecstatic Mar 2014 #251

You said you didnt like Snowden because he was "far right". Isnt Gen Clapper also "far right"? nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #258

Again, it's not my area of concern, but if Gen Clapper released silly statements every week ecstatic Mar 2014 #274

"I'm more concerned about justice and equality," Oh really? You are more concerned rhett o rick Mar 2014 #350

cut to the chase why dont you? reddread Mar 2014 #372

The "libertarian left"? WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #284

wait, does this mean that finally I do get my pony? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #247

Will, you are absolutely fucking correct. K&R friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #248

you seem to be suggesting that if a Democratic administration does something that we would condemn Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #254

DOUGLAS. Douglas, Douglas, Douglas... sibelian Mar 2014 #327

The shills need to be banned. Marr Mar 2014 #255

Yes, and the same people who were upset that the Bushies outed Valerie Plame... GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #257

Actually Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson wrote an OP for the Guardian about this whole affair Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #262

That's nice, and they help make my point. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #331

without him - we would not be addressing the issues of the massive surveillance state - however Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #337

It would have been addressed eventually. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #355

Well, then.... you don't seem to have a problem with it being addressed... sibelian Mar 2014 #455

I have a problem with the way he addressed it. n/t GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #461

Your hyperbolic prose? Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #266

++++1,000 No shit! loudsue Mar 2014 #267

you know it. I know it. ibegurpard Mar 2014 #268

QFT egduj Mar 2014 #269

As always, I find myself standing with Will Pitt. K and fucking R. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #272

Where have Snowden's revelations "hurt Obama"? joshcryer Mar 2014 #276

"You know what cracks me up...and I mean all the way the fuck up?" sheshe2 Mar 2014 #278

I had to chortle at that mirror part especially. Whisp Mar 2014 #298

What cracks me up is that you don't think that OP was flamebait shit. Bonobo Mar 2014 #281

Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #283

Apparently all Pitt really cares about is having his thread kicked. Me thinks he has ambitions lumpy Mar 2014 #289

Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #290

... sibelian Mar 2014 #326

Here's another ProSense Mar 2014 #341

Going to answer my post #276? joshcryer Mar 2014 #335

I think this is the first time I've agreed with you. And the fact that such an "adolescent, juvenile Number23 Mar 2014 #300

Rec #305 here. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #305

Mr. Pitt? I have your original book. raven mad Mar 2014 #306

You know what cracks me up? meanit Mar 2014 #319

When the leaks were under the Bush Regime, Snowden thought leakers should be "shot in the balls" baldguy Mar 2014 #332

Spot on liberal N proud Mar 2014 #328

fyi.... in high school i learned in our persuasive writing section of class ejpoeta Mar 2014 #329

that's not just regular 'you people', that's Queen Ann's 'You People'... Whisp Mar 2014 #338

So, you believe Cheney was correct to expose Valerie Plame. baldguy Mar 2014 #330

you might want to start over at the beginning reddread Mar 2014 #339

"The beginning" is where Snowden had no problem with this shit baldguy Mar 2014 #345

Anti-Obamaism has nearly extinguished anti-semitism as a go-to n/t reddread Mar 2014 #352

And Godwin doesn't apply when referencing actual Nazis. baldguy Mar 2014 #356

You havent a fact to stand on reddread Mar 2014 #366

That's only true if you ignore all the facts. baldguy Mar 2014 #373

see? n/t reddread Mar 2014 #375

You can make anything true if you ignore the facts. baldguy Mar 2014 #387

I couldn't tell what this thread was about based on the subject title. As usual. randome Mar 2014 #349

If you embrace popular misconceptions, you can get away with anything, apparently. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #390

It must be hard to be Pope being infallible and all. gordianot Mar 2014 #354

Ever seen Mad Max beyond Thunderdome? 1awake Mar 2014 #360

I honestly don't know... pipi_k Mar 2014 #396

The Team Obama types who put party ahead of country disgust me LittleBlue Mar 2014 #399

Seriously, ProSense Mar 2014 #400

You continue to try to change the narrative to the point of sad humor. This isnt about hating Obama. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #410

Wait, ProSense Mar 2014 #411

Besides desperate, pathetic and transparent... bvar22 Mar 2014 #416

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #422

Really, Pro. bvar22 Mar 2014 #430

You mean ProSense Mar 2014 #431

Prosense, let these folks have their recs!! Who gives a shit?? Number23 Mar 2014 #453

Snowden proved himself a liar when he went against his sworn oath to not act against his own lumpy Mar 2014 #425

Who really cares if it's criminal? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #440

Snowden and his supporters do, which is why before he was even charged they wanted him pardoned. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #446

Depends the method of speaking out without committing a crime in the process. lumpy Mar 2014 #460

The founders of our country were once "criminals" too. bvar22 Mar 2014 #450

I don't even take that particular poster's posts on this manner seriously anymore. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #439

Stop pretending you ever did. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #445

Hypothetical... Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #449

With me you got it wrong. Not about Obama at all or the Democratic party. lumpy Mar 2014 #419

It isn't those like you that I have a problem with LittleBlue Mar 2014 #420

Why do you accuse others of putting party above country? lumpy Mar 2014 #427

Because they are LittleBlue Mar 2014 #433

Maybe Tom can help you understand: bvar22 Mar 2014 #441

LOL: "I cannot in all conscience support an illegal crime against the US government" Romulox Mar 2014 #479

Cracks me up too, Will, bvar22 Mar 2014 #412

it is frightening to read so many would give up the protections in the bill of rights questionseverything Mar 2014 #428

caper? words mean things functioning_cog Mar 2014 #435

I recc'ed this earlier, but I'll give it a kick now. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #451

Well said. K&R n/t OhioChick Mar 2014 #454

K&R Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #457

K&R bobduca Mar 2014 #466

Will, I'm surprised you don't remember jazzimov Mar 2014 #470

Oh noes 350 plus recs!!! Rex Mar 2014 #473

LOL Electric Monk Mar 2014 #480

And the irony is if the situation was reversed Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #481