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Warpy

(110,900 posts)
47. Some would, that's for sure
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:09 PM
Mar 2014

but some people here are company men with jobs that have them identifying more with the supposedly non political spy agencies than with the people.

This stuff has been going on for a very long time and as the technology has improved, it's been increasing right along with it. We knew when the phones were bugged in the 60s. Now they're all bugged and it's undetectable.

Snowden did us a service in confirming what we all suspected had vastly increased during Stupid's two terms. I don't know what his motives were and don't much care. He has wrecked his own life to alert the whole world about the level of electronic spying the US is doing.

These agencies have grown so incredibly powerful that I doubt any president could shut down any of the abuses. It would take the entire government acting as a whole to pull the plug and even then, they'd just shove it underground and privately fund it.

Anyone who thinks this is Obama's PR problem just hasn't been paying attention, at all.

Well said, Will. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #1
what he said.... mike_c Mar 2014 #2
Nailed it! City Lights Mar 2014 #3
So right. (nt) enough Mar 2014 #4
Yes, yes, yes! truebluegreen Mar 2014 #5
Snowden is a liar, and ProSense Mar 2014 #6
Another of your great Gossip Columns-- but without the nasally intonation of Hedda Hopper LanternWaste Mar 2014 #11
I've ProSense Mar 2014 #12
Isn't this OP actually just gossip? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #26
And Around And Around... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #111
I know ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #193
I Keep Wandering... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #293
What does 'winning' mean to you? n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #447
+1 treestar Mar 2014 #205
Yup sheshe2 Mar 2014 #472
I don't mean to step on your comment, but that's a picture of Louella Parsons, Hopper's rival. QuestForSense Mar 2014 #150
This kind of OP agitation is expected when another one of Snowass lies is exposed. Whisp Mar 2014 #66
What "Lie" was that, and how was it "exposed"? bvar22 Mar 2014 #90
ohhh, maybe the fact he initially said he had to run because Whisp Mar 2014 #102
#1 You were asked for "documentation" and FAILED to provide it. bvar22 Mar 2014 #116
. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #147
Thank You. bvar22 Mar 2014 #160
"Easy... but frustrating." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #161
Snowden is a creepy liar, you are going to have to deal with that sooner Whisp Mar 2014 #261
To call someone what you did in response to what documentation you have to call "liar" is ad hominem MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #270
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #277
First... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #316
lol, have a nice one and watch that BP. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #336
I get it... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #458
I dont give a good damn if he is a liar or GG is a liar. The door has been opened to reveal we have rhett o rick Mar 2014 #353
LOL bvar22 Mar 2014 #418
And yet, he and Greenwald, btw please refrain from using that homphobic attack on Greenwald, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #438
what homophobic attack? Whisp Mar 2014 #443
Are you ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #259
Eddie knows he broke that lamp in 1994, runnin in the hall like he always did and he tried to blame TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #291
I got a headache. 840high Mar 2014 #99
You were up in arms when Bush was in office LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #103
Nonsense. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #112
Nah... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #163
You know why ProSense Mar 2014 #167
What... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #175
Let's see ProSense Mar 2014 #178
I read the OP malokvale77 Mar 2014 #181
Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #189
You didn't know who I was the last time... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #196
Evidently, ProSense Mar 2014 #200
No... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #206
most people here don't buy the adoration and adualation cali Mar 2014 #405
Nonsense from Prosense!! Now that would never happen!! madinmaryland Mar 2014 #210
Do we really have to LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #477
Right, because this thing existed at the time called "Warrantless wiretapping". It doesnt exist now. stevenleser Mar 2014 #391
LOL LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #476
According to whom? Most rulings say its both. stevenleser Mar 2014 #478
You sure do spend a lot of time trying to discredit a guy when it's not even about the guy. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #172
What's this OP about? ProSense Mar 2014 #176
The OP is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Snowden detractors. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #177
Imaginary hypocrisy, since Eddie didn't do any treestar Mar 2014 #208
So It IS All About Obama... Thank You... In Poker... That's Known As A "Tell"... WillyT Mar 2014 #220
That's gonna leave a mark... n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #263
but but but, sheshe2 Mar 2014 #287
Just goes to show that Obama is *not* Bush 3! And about that marketing BS: freshwest Mar 2014 #295
A skidmark, that's about it. nt Union Scribe Mar 2014 #294
But enough about your evening... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #334
Well I suppose one groaner deserves another Union Scribe Mar 2014 #474
. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #475
Snowden is a liar and a theif.. Vietnameravet Mar 2014 #186
You can't spell. malokvale77 Mar 2014 #197
Here… give this to em... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #271
Misspellings make a person seem so real. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #304
You're missing something. Are you going to tell us what Snowden lied about? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #342
Thanks for your insiteful post, Mr. Plouffe. nt madinmaryland Mar 2014 #207
LOL Enthusiast Mar 2014 #229
This ProSense Mar 2014 #231
LOL! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #233
Here's a link to one of my own threads nxylas Mar 2014 #309
LOL! nxylas Mar 2014 #311
I'm a huge fan of public transportation. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #322
Your obsession smacks of desperation. You cant be open-minded when the President is involved. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #249
It's flee. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #273
Lol! Still trying eh? I wonder if your just lines of code somewhere..100k plus entries... Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #299
There's no doubt in my mind. nxylas Mar 2014 #314
Good lord, thats a brilliant observation! Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #340
Flee Enthusiast Mar 2014 #301
and she comes flying in a rage. Yes, a rage, pro. cali Mar 2014 #403
Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #404
With all respect: K and fucking R Autumn Mar 2014 #7
Will, get a grip RobertEarl Mar 2014 #8
put them on ignore bobduca Mar 2014 #279
Are Snowden haters.. one_voice Mar 2014 #378
Get the feeling you're sharing the lifeboat sibelian Mar 2014 #9
Anything else you'd like to share, Will? MineralMan Mar 2014 #10
some people are insensitive and forget there are posters here that voted for bush.. frylock Mar 2014 #21
Are there? I haven't run into any. MineralMan Mar 2014 #24
really? frylock Mar 2014 #28
There are a couple here that I know of. MineralMan Mar 2014 #31
you want I should kick your anti-freeper ass, MineralMan? Skittles Mar 2014 #120
I've had my full quota of ass kickings, but MineralMan Mar 2014 #182
Really? I have crossed paths with some that I bet would vote for him a third time. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #100
I never assume anything about anyone. MineralMan Mar 2014 #185
I think he hit the nail right on the head. Don't you? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #22
How nice. nt MineralMan Mar 2014 #27
Jury results: 1000words Mar 2014 #41
LOL. I figured as much. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #49
Someone alerted on that minor insult? MineralMan Mar 2014 #50
A mystery for the ages. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #53
Do you think I alerted? Look at the alert MineralMan Mar 2014 #58
There are some very petty folks here at DU 1000words Mar 2014 #65
Well, I wouldn't have alerted on that. MineralMan Mar 2014 #69
isn't it time for alerters to be identifiable? grasswire Mar 2014 #188
If it goes 0-6, I think alerter should be ID'd 1000words Mar 2014 #190
...but you would be hurting someones grandparrents. L0oniX Mar 2014 #362
Yes panader0 Mar 2014 #191
I don't think that's a good idea. MineralMan Mar 2014 #192
no I think he made a really stupid point hfojvt Mar 2014 #57
He made an EXCELLENT point and you just drove it home like Old John Henry, the steel drivin' man. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #75
if you say so hfojvt Mar 2014 #85
No. The agenda didn't change. In fact it expanded. cui bono Mar 2014 #136
uhm, there's kinda more than one part to the agenda hfojvt Mar 2014 #242
I honestly thought this was sarcasm. Marr Mar 2014 #253
I give up Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #13
Well, what would ike to happen, Blue_Tires? sibelian Mar 2014 #15
A halfway mature big-picture discussion would be a start... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #52
I missed that post, but I would have advocated to abolish the NSA, not appoint a new head 2banon Mar 2014 #63
Beautiful (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #201
What would you replace it with and with what powers? n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #296
Well, we already have the Defense Department to deal with National Security threats 2banon Mar 2014 #462
Do any of those departments have the expertise & architecture for cyber warfare? Whisp Mar 2014 #463
you're kidding, right? 2banon Mar 2014 #464
It was a serious question. Does the FBI or the DoD have the know how Whisp Mar 2014 #465
DOD's purview covers the entire spectrum of national security threats 2banon Mar 2014 #467
at least the overwhelming sentiment remains obvious reddread Mar 2014 #19
Yep. It's entirely possible to support NSA reform and still think what Snowden did was illegal and Number23 Mar 2014 #153
Exactly! one_voice Mar 2014 #381
I think it's actually much worse. When you've got half-literate OPs sitting at the top of the Number23 Mar 2014 #452
Yes, and look at this post that was hidden... sheshe2 Mar 2014 #468
That is beyond moronic. Unbelievable Number23 Mar 2014 #469
Exactly! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #471
Just like that cali thread, it's about the posters on DU treestar Mar 2014 #213
I think you may be extending too much credit reddread Mar 2014 #14
Funny that. (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #209
I'm not so sure. Many of these DLC/Third Way types cheered Bush and his warmongering, etc. Zorra Mar 2014 #16
It hasn't changed much today either. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #151
"anti-American fringe" Enthusiast Mar 2014 #307
You might want to take what jurors said into consideration, even if not hidden uppityperson Mar 2014 #17
I was also a juror and agree with you. n/t one_voice Mar 2014 #20
Someone actually alerted on this OP? WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #59
It wasn't really alert-worthy. Lame, but not MineralMan Mar 2014 #73
4/6 jurors thought it was at minimum rude, makes DU suck. I thought you might care. uppityperson Mar 2014 #74
whoosh... one_voice Mar 2014 #80
Wow. Whoosh is exactly right Number23 Mar 2014 #155
May I have your autograph? MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #275
There was no TOS violation. The hiders should be banned from jury duty. L0oniX Mar 2014 #358
If you don't vote with majority, you should be banned from jury duty? uppityperson Mar 2014 #361
I said that? There are treatments for seeing shit that ain't there. L0oniX Mar 2014 #363
Wrong. Jurors handle potential violations of Community Standards. 125 juries & you've been Admin? uppityperson Mar 2014 #367
Wrong and seeing shit that ain't there:"If you don't vote with majority" L0oniX Mar 2014 #369
"You hide if its a violation of TOS ...and for no other reason." 125 juries and you've been doing it uppityperson Mar 2014 #370
One other huge amusement... Pholus Mar 2014 #18
very well said azurnoir Mar 2014 #23
No one has to wonder about that. When Bush/Cheney were caught spying on the American people, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #25
+1 LAGC Mar 2014 #198
and how many of those ran to China and Russia with the hot goods? Whisp Mar 2014 #264
All of them support Snowden's decision BECAUSE of how they were silenced. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #437
Exactly! Randomthought Mar 2014 #29
I'll kick and rec that. reflection Mar 2014 #30
Yes, I would use those disclosures to discredit a Republican administration. PhilSays Mar 2014 #32
What PhilSays! Welcome to DU! mountain grammy Mar 2014 #44
you cannot be serious Skittles Mar 2014 #71
No, but seriously is government spying anything new and different mountain grammy Mar 2014 #106
I....er......I will just leave it there Skittles Mar 2014 #107
now serving boiled froglegs reddread Mar 2014 #129
STOP IT REDDREAD Skittles Mar 2014 #130
alright reddread Mar 2014 #134
Apparently they are. zeemike Mar 2014 #109
it is mind-boggling Skittles Mar 2014 #117
Wow. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #64
No friggin' kidding mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #252
this was juried and left to stay. Whisp Mar 2014 #265
At least he's not a hypocrite. joshcryer Mar 2014 #282
So now people don't care enough to suit you! randome Mar 2014 #407
Without even knowing it you listed the most important problem with what the NSA is capable of doing. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #122
I like this very much. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #308
The moral consequences of some tools of state transcend party loyalty. sibelian Mar 2014 #315
"Since I honestly, deep down, do not even give the slightest shit about what the NSA or CIA does" L0oniX Mar 2014 #371
"Since I honestly, deep down, do not even give the slightest shit about what the NSA or CIA does... sibelian Mar 2014 #456
Snowden rmoody1958 Mar 2014 #33
Really? Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #42
Taking it to another country? That's the treasonous part. eom Blanks Mar 2014 #141
Hmmm... Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #162
I was merely pointing out that you didn't address all of the issues... Blanks Mar 2014 #344
I understand the definition of treason Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #351
I don't think that's the real question... Blanks Mar 2014 #392
Personally I am agnostic on Snowden as a person Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #398
Yep. Just like that other traitor, Daniel Ellsberg. bvar22 Mar 2014 #401
He went to the press, stood trial, and was found not guilty... Blanks Mar 2014 #415
The other countrys already knew they were under surveillance. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #312
I'm sure there's plenty of treason to go around. Blanks Mar 2014 #346
In a corporate owned global economy world ...that means very little now. L0oniX Mar 2014 #359
I see. So we don't need to show any loyalty to the U.S.A. any more... Blanks Mar 2014 #393
loyalty to who? Masters or slaves? n/t reddread Mar 2014 #394
To our fellow countrymen (and countrywomen). eom Blanks Mar 2014 #395
the surveillors or the surveilees? reddread Mar 2014 #397
The surveilees. Blanks Mar 2014 #414
Tell that to the corporations. L0oniX Mar 2014 #402
So, your definition of treason includes mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #62
Pssst. kristopher Mar 2014 #148
True enough. It seemed hard to put that in the post mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #159
+1 an entire shit load! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #313
Some people here would not agree that what Snowden did was treason apparently. lumpy Mar 2014 #239
Apparently you didn't understand your oath to protect the constitution. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #310
I don't give a shit about "treason" sibelian Mar 2014 #318
You don't think what the NSA and CIA is doing is treason? freebrew Mar 2014 #343
Thank you, sir! Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #34
Both can be true. NSA revelation is a good thing. Snowden's resume and timing deserve scrutiny. blm Mar 2014 #35
How and where has Snowden made the narrative "personal to Obama"? sibelian Mar 2014 #320
Derp... SidDithers Mar 2014 #36
Ah, so the truth is unwelcome Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #45
"If the truth is unwelcome here, how are we any different than the Right?" Enthusiast Mar 2014 #317
+100 mountain grammy Mar 2014 #48
I think it's parti-fucking-san. You're welcome. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #83
You can think it's wha-the-fuck-ever you want...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #84
Yes, I gave myself that permission long ago. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #87
And I'm giving it to you again right now...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #91
He's also cussing out newbies and telling them to go "unfuck themselves" Number23 Mar 2014 #165
Ahh, whining about the DU. nt Logical Mar 2014 #230
Todays Wheel of Derp? L0oniX Mar 2014 #357
then again, some of us are smart enough to know that the president really doesnt run the nsa. mopinko Mar 2014 #37
Sometimes I feel that their solution to the NSA CIA illegalities Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #38
Not far fetched jsr Mar 2014 #145
Wah...and how much Ed love comes from those who like to see Obama damaged BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #39
i know that i voted for obama twice so that i could damage him.. frylock Mar 2014 #76
He has betrayed you and you are outraged BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #88
We never loved him. sibelian Mar 2014 #324
Agreed, they would not care about it treestar Mar 2014 #211
And people here were up in arms then too. Some of us have memories. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #292
I was thinking the same but didn't know where to post it WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #40
Whatever you do, make sure you don't read their posts jeff47 Mar 2014 #43
Which ones and which point? JoeyT Mar 2014 #154
You're shocked when hurling insults doesn't result in thoughtful conversation? jeff47 Mar 2014 #225
I do not know which is the more spineless act. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2014 #46
Some would, that's for sure Warpy Mar 2014 #47
We are not supposed to be paying attention. zeemike Mar 2014 #124
Yes and it's been that way for a very long time. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #173
well Warpy Caretha Mar 2014 #237
!!!!! FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #51
Pretty much. bigwillq Mar 2014 #54
Politics reduced to team sport n/t markpkessinger Mar 2014 #55
Spot on. Ron Obvious Mar 2014 #56
ty Ann of You Peoples. lol. Whisp Mar 2014 #60
Our "team" gets more recs for insulting the other "team." ProSense Mar 2014 #72
Please don't start with the Putin lover! libertarian! insults. please. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #89
Please, ProSense Mar 2014 #96
Hells yeah! Dick Cheney loves your writing! Pholus Mar 2014 #303
But it didn't happen in the Bush era CJCRANE Mar 2014 #61
Very few people raised their voice? bvar22 Mar 2014 #406
LARGEST PROTESTS IN HUMAN HISTORY reddread Mar 2014 #408
You've proved the point that the MSM ignored most of the dissent. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #413
no i didnt. reddread Mar 2014 #423
Well, I corrected and clarified my point in that case. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #424
look what you have done!!! reddread Mar 2014 #426
I've followed politics very closely since 2002 here on DU. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #429
the correct description is that resistance has been defused and discouraged reddread Mar 2014 #432
I mostly agree with you CJCRANE Mar 2014 #434
think of them as broken cuckoo clocks! n/t reddread Mar 2014 #436
If only we could harness all that Tea Party energy CJCRANE Mar 2014 #448
The Truth n2doc Mar 2014 #67
I guess the difference is that some people support anyone who reveals the wickedness of any hughee99 Mar 2014 #92
Anger isn't a gift Will. tridim Mar 2014 #68
Wrong Again. bvar22 Mar 2014 #105
it's not anger, it's wanting attention, wanting to be popular JI7 Mar 2014 #260
I have been sick of them for a long time Skittles Mar 2014 #70
A favorite: ProSense Mar 2014 #77
...^ that 840high Mar 2014 #101
If American Idol reruns ran 24/7 they wouldn't even be here. L0oniX Mar 2014 #364
what's really disturbing is Skittles Mar 2014 #421
So obvious and true, but those guilty of this won't see it refers to them.eom Cleita Mar 2014 #78
They see it... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #217
They already have their little McCarthy alert gang on the war path. L0oniX Mar 2014 #365
Thank you!!!!! Well said! nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #79
His revelations did hurt the Bush admin mikeysnot Mar 2014 #81
No. No. No. No, I would not. Wait Wut Mar 2014 #82
They are what are called the "yes men" for the administration. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #86
Humongous K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #93
No, it's much more nuanced than that. The timeline makes that clear. stevenleser Mar 2014 #94
your apparent willing acquiesence to tyranny.... grasswire Mar 2014 #232
The melodrama in your post has made me feel amused. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #256
Funny that so many of us agree with the OP but disagree with you. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #321
Why should I care about that if the facts are with me? The OP is clearly wrong here. stevenleser Mar 2014 #377
Pfft! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #384
Just as I expected. Outside of the argumentum ad populum logical fallacy, you have nothing. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #386
I can see right through you. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #388
And you go from one logical fallacy to another. Address the facts in my post or give up and admit stevenleser Mar 2014 #389
And you go from one claim of logical fallacy to another. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #442
Because you keep using them. Stop using them. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #444
Now if only people here would take the time to read and look for the facts....Thanks. lumpy Mar 2014 #244
It's apparently much more fun to appeal to popular misconceptions and get Recs than educate stevenleser Mar 2014 #382
This OP cannot be bothered with facts. Whisp Mar 2014 #297
Not only that, the OP is apparently a hit and run. He appears unable to respond to dissent stevenleser Mar 2014 #383
He wouldn't have made such revelations in the Bush years. Orsino Mar 2014 #95
rec with pleasure. 840high Mar 2014 #97
Yes, the hypocrisy is aggravating and that's the whole point. pa28 Mar 2014 #98
Except Snowden is exactly the type of person Will is berating. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #104
How is it hypocritical to not have done JoePhilly Mar 2014 #199
+ 1000 sibelian Mar 2014 #325
I don't see how any of this "hurts" Obama. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #108
It doesn't. It's ProSense Mar 2014 #115
You're slipping. Pholus Mar 2014 #118
So ProSense Mar 2014 #126
Hardly. Pholus Mar 2014 #302
Does she actually think people Puglover Mar 2014 #347
Naw. When it comes to Snowden, it's pure bile. Pholus Mar 2014 #376
Thanks lumpy Mar 2014 #245
It's hurts strawman Obama. tridim Mar 2014 #123
That and mocking anyone who has any varying JaneyVee Mar 2014 #142
^^^ this ^^^ malokvale77 Mar 2014 #184
"crypto-authoritarianism" joshcryer Mar 2014 #280
With a dash of McCarthyism. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #323
It's the same group, too. joshcryer Mar 2014 #333
and while decrying "fascism and tyranny" they support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. stevenleser Mar 2014 #409
Yeah, you can't just be against NSA over reach, you MUST also JaneyVee Mar 2014 #459
They were just hoping it would treestar Mar 2014 #214
I suspect some are not cognizant of the dissonance, BUT AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #110
+1,000 malaise Mar 2014 #113
it would seem so G_j Mar 2014 #114
It did happen with the NYT revelations about warrantless wiretapping. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #121
Thanks for saying this. I agree. vlakitti Mar 2014 #119
Of course! albino65 Mar 2014 #125
Rec'd. Short, sweet and to the point. Thank you n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #127
It ought not hurt Obama, who walked into this existing mine field called PRISM, and is not God Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #128
I'm sorry, but that doesn't fly. Skip Intro Mar 2014 #131
Oh you're one of the ones that thinks he has absolute power. GOT IT! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #135
He does have the power that comes with the office. NSA is part of the Defesne Dept., Skip Intro Mar 2014 #137
But there are presidents with support (Reagan) and there are presidents with none Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #139
You're just wrong here, sorry. Obama is not helpless or in the dark on this. Skip Intro Mar 2014 #143
you know Skittles Mar 2014 #133
While I agree that it's primarily Bush's fault, JoeyT Mar 2014 #156
Perhaps. Perhaps if he hadn't been accused of being a Muslim by the GOP scourge... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #235
Obama is forced to spy on all of us because baggers called him names? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #348
Stop pretending to be silly. It's not becoming. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #374
I was trying to be nice. If you want the full measure of how ill-considered your statement was... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #379
I have an idea! I'll ignore you and your Republican-like attacks on Obama, and prob solved! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #380
you either wake up or you dont reddread Mar 2014 #385
It has been over 5 fuckin years. bvar22 Mar 2014 #417
Snowden exposed government corruption during Obama's presidency, Zorra Mar 2014 #183
There are cracks in your logic. Snowden was against leakers before he was for it. brush Mar 2014 #132
Agreed. Snowden Did Do it to the Obama Admin, Not the Bush Admin LarryNM Mar 2014 #243
No Truer Words. jsr Mar 2014 #138
Top recommended post? Must have said something a lot of folks Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #140
Too many people ASSUME that when a Democrat gets in the whole government goes Blue. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #144
I wanted to see ProSense Mar 2014 #146
You know what cracks me up, Will? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #149
The presidency of Barack Obama sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #152
You need to take some time out and write something else. gulliver Mar 2014 #157
It's an easy way to get recs. Disparage one group of DUers CJCRANE Mar 2014 #164
Verily lumpy Mar 2014 #285
As irreverent as this is cprise Mar 2014 #158
K & R AzDar Mar 2014 #166
True... maced666 Mar 2014 #168
You're exactly right. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #169
Pretty much. n/t demmiblue Mar 2014 #170
********************BULLLLLLLLL FUCKIN SHIT!!!!!********************* uponit7771 Mar 2014 #171
I like your spirit! treestar Mar 2014 #212
You mad? L0oniX Mar 2014 #368
You got that right...... BlueJac Mar 2014 #174
With all respect..; Vietnameravet Mar 2014 #179
Lots of "respect" there HangOnKids Mar 2014 #224
Verily lumpy Mar 2014 #286
nope, iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #180
Yes lumpy Mar 2014 #288
Tools helping build a beast that will fuck us all. K&R n/t whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #187
Just wait until Hillary's President. I don't think I can stomach LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #194
That's the whole problem isn't it? pa28 Mar 2014 #234
"It's not about Snowden! It's about all you folk who don't like Snowden!" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #195
and of course not agreeing with what he did means we hate him treestar Mar 2014 #215
How does it hurt either of them? treestar Mar 2014 #202
You really kicked a hornet's nest in this thread. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #203
Must be Tuesday. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #216
You've done it again! 1000words Mar 2014 #240
Perfect ProSense Mar 2014 #221
I'm honored that you responded to me. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #222
My bad ProSense Mar 2014 #226
Now I'm somebody! ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #227
The Glow wears off before too long.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #236
"This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security." nt pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #204
DU rec frwrfpos Mar 2014 #218
It's called hypocrisy. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #219
So true. But they will not get it. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #223
K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #228
I was just thinking of that same thing recently...... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #238
now we send in the drones reddread Mar 2014 #241
The libertarian left has always been concerned about things like that. ecstatic Mar 2014 #246
How do you feel about Herr Gen Clapper? rhett o rick Mar 2014 #250
The Libertarian left ecstatic Mar 2014 #251
You said you didnt like Snowden because he was "far right". Isnt Gen Clapper also "far right"? nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #258
Again, it's not my area of concern, but if Gen Clapper released silly statements every week ecstatic Mar 2014 #274
"I'm more concerned about justice and equality," Oh really? You are more concerned rhett o rick Mar 2014 #350
cut to the chase why dont you? reddread Mar 2014 #372
The "libertarian left"? WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #284
wait, does this mean that finally I do get my pony? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #247
Will, you are absolutely fucking correct. K&R friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #248
you seem to be suggesting that if a Democratic administration does something that we would condemn Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #254
DOUGLAS. Douglas, Douglas, Douglas... sibelian Mar 2014 #327
The shills need to be banned. Marr Mar 2014 #255
Yes, and the same people who were upset that the Bushies outed Valerie Plame... GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #257
Actually Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson wrote an OP for the Guardian about this whole affair Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #262
That's nice, and they help make my point. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #331
without him - we would not be addressing the issues of the massive surveillance state - however Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #337
It would have been addressed eventually. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #355
Well, then.... you don't seem to have a problem with it being addressed... sibelian Mar 2014 #455
I have a problem with the way he addressed it. n/t GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #461
Your hyperbolic prose? Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #266
++++1,000 No shit! loudsue Mar 2014 #267
you know it. I know it. ibegurpard Mar 2014 #268
QFT egduj Mar 2014 #269
As always, I find myself standing with Will Pitt. K and fucking R. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #272
Where have Snowden's revelations "hurt Obama"? joshcryer Mar 2014 #276
"You know what cracks me up...and I mean all the way the fuck up?" sheshe2 Mar 2014 #278
I had to chortle at that mirror part especially. Whisp Mar 2014 #298
What cracks me up is that you don't think that OP was flamebait shit. Bonobo Mar 2014 #281
Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #283
Apparently all Pitt really cares about is having his thread kicked. Me thinks he has ambitions lumpy Mar 2014 #289
Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #290
... sibelian Mar 2014 #326
Here's another ProSense Mar 2014 #341
Going to answer my post #276? joshcryer Mar 2014 #335
I think this is the first time I've agreed with you. And the fact that such an "adolescent, juvenile Number23 Mar 2014 #300
Rec #305 here. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #305
Mr. Pitt? I have your original book. raven mad Mar 2014 #306
You know what cracks me up? meanit Mar 2014 #319
When the leaks were under the Bush Regime, Snowden thought leakers should be "shot in the balls" baldguy Mar 2014 #332
Spot on liberal N proud Mar 2014 #328
fyi.... in high school i learned in our persuasive writing section of class ejpoeta Mar 2014 #329
that's not just regular 'you people', that's Queen Ann's 'You People'... Whisp Mar 2014 #338
So, you believe Cheney was correct to expose Valerie Plame. baldguy Mar 2014 #330
you might want to start over at the beginning reddread Mar 2014 #339
"The beginning" is where Snowden had no problem with this shit baldguy Mar 2014 #345
Anti-Obamaism has nearly extinguished anti-semitism as a go-to n/t reddread Mar 2014 #352
And Godwin doesn't apply when referencing actual Nazis. baldguy Mar 2014 #356
You havent a fact to stand on reddread Mar 2014 #366
That's only true if you ignore all the facts. baldguy Mar 2014 #373
see? n/t reddread Mar 2014 #375
You can make anything true if you ignore the facts. baldguy Mar 2014 #387
I couldn't tell what this thread was about based on the subject title. As usual. randome Mar 2014 #349
If you embrace popular misconceptions, you can get away with anything, apparently. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #390
It must be hard to be Pope being infallible and all. gordianot Mar 2014 #354
Ever seen Mad Max beyond Thunderdome? 1awake Mar 2014 #360
I honestly don't know... pipi_k Mar 2014 #396
The Team Obama types who put party ahead of country disgust me LittleBlue Mar 2014 #399
Seriously, ProSense Mar 2014 #400
You continue to try to change the narrative to the point of sad humor. This isnt about hating Obama. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #410
Wait, ProSense Mar 2014 #411
Besides desperate, pathetic and transparent... bvar22 Mar 2014 #416
LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #422
Really, Pro. bvar22 Mar 2014 #430
You mean ProSense Mar 2014 #431
Prosense, let these folks have their recs!! Who gives a shit?? Number23 Mar 2014 #453
Snowden proved himself a liar when he went against his sworn oath to not act against his own lumpy Mar 2014 #425
Who really cares if it's criminal? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #440
Snowden and his supporters do, which is why before he was even charged they wanted him pardoned. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #446
Depends the method of speaking out without committing a crime in the process. lumpy Mar 2014 #460
The founders of our country were once "criminals" too. bvar22 Mar 2014 #450
I don't even take that particular poster's posts on this manner seriously anymore. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #439
Stop pretending you ever did. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #445
Hypothetical... Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #449
With me you got it wrong. Not about Obama at all or the Democratic party. lumpy Mar 2014 #419
It isn't those like you that I have a problem with LittleBlue Mar 2014 #420
Why do you accuse others of putting party above country? lumpy Mar 2014 #427
Because they are LittleBlue Mar 2014 #433
Maybe Tom can help you understand: bvar22 Mar 2014 #441
LOL: "I cannot in all conscience support an illegal crime against the US government" Romulox Mar 2014 #479
Cracks me up too, Will, bvar22 Mar 2014 #412
it is frightening to read so many would give up the protections in the bill of rights questionseverything Mar 2014 #428
caper? words mean things functioning_cog Mar 2014 #435
I recc'ed this earlier, but I'll give it a kick now. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #451
Well said. K&R n/t OhioChick Mar 2014 #454
K&R Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #457
K&R bobduca Mar 2014 #466
Will, I'm surprised you don't remember jazzimov Mar 2014 #470
Oh noes 350 plus recs!!! Rex Mar 2014 #473
LOL Electric Monk Mar 2014 #480
And the irony is if the situation was reversed Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #481
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