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malthaussen

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:21 AM Mar 2012

Why do we condone violence? [View all]

Around 25 years ago or so (god, has it been that long?) a friend of mine -- he happened to be a white kid -- had his back broken by a group of gangbangers -- they happened to be black kids -- who worked him over with two-by-fours because, apparently, he had wandered onto their block. It was a mistake on his part, as it happens -- he didn't know it was their turf -- but regardless, there were many who told him it was his fault for going onto their block. (Yeah, he survived. He even got to walk again after a term of rehab)

A few years later, watching ESPN, I saw a professional athlete punch out an announcer right in front of the cameras. Now, it is certainly true that the announcer was provoking the athlete, and virtually dared him to attack. The poor schmuck paid for it, anyway, and the curious thing is that he was made to apologize, and forthwith lost his job, while the athlete went about his smirking way. Don't mess with the MAN!

Recently, we have seen another in a long series of kids -- who happen to be black -- being killled in cold blood by men -- who happen to be white -- and as should surprise no one, the media and the authorities are doing everything in their power to demonstrate that the poor schmuck "asked for it," and that the homicide was not just justifiable, but in some way commendable.

And we have also seen, numerous times, that when a woman is sexually assaulted by a male, everything from the clothes she wears to the cereal she eats for breakfast is cited as a reason the poor schmuck (schmuckette?) "asked for it," and the poor helpless attacker couldn't control himself.

Many have asked, why do we blame the victim? And that is a worthy and important question. But I'd like to flip it, and ask instead: why do we go to such great lengths to condone violence? I am admittedly weird -- I've never understood why "provocation" was an excuse for an attack, as if words were so much more injurious than GBH or death. Which is why, when incidents like this crop up (as they do on a daily, if not hourly, basis), I tend to shut my ears to all claims of what the victim did to "deserve" his injury, and ask myself rather why we condone and support the person who commits the violent act. There are those who will claim we have a "rape society," and those who will claim we have a "bullying society," and whatever the value of these claims may be, it is certain that we have always used violence to work our will on those from whom we want something. War, after all, is nothing more than killing people until they do what you want. It does not require much imagination to consider that our society promotes and encourages violence because we want to continue to execute violence on everyone not lucky enough to be "us."

-- Mal

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Why do we condone violence? [View all] malthaussen Mar 2012 OP
Because we're a bunch of friken ANIMALS. MADem Mar 2012 #1
Except, MADem, that animals are not nearly so violent malthaussen Mar 2012 #2
Sure they are--when it matters to them. It just matters less. MADem Mar 2012 #4
Fair distinction malthaussen Mar 2012 #6
Valid question. MADem Mar 2012 #29
Wouldn't that be predicated on the assumption... malthaussen Mar 2012 #30
Or maybe it's all down to "There's money to be made?" MADem Mar 2012 #31
If I didn't know better, I'd suspect you of cynicism. malthaussen Mar 2012 #32
Maybe murder and rape have come to be regarded as the cost of doing business? MADem Mar 2012 #33
And of course, in cases of rape, she's only a woman malthaussen Mar 2012 #34
It's a rather odious theory--but that doesn't make it untrue. MADem Mar 2012 #36
We are definitely competition-oriented, to extremes malthaussen Mar 2012 #38
Indeed. MADem Mar 2012 #39
Ever see the BC comic about golf? malthaussen Mar 2012 #40
Feuerstein is a bit of a local hero--his story is oft-repeated in MA. MADem Mar 2012 #41
I am far too inflexible to swing a club malthaussen Mar 2012 #47
You'd enjoy a "best ball" game. MADem Mar 2012 #49
George MacDonald Fraser malthaussen Mar 2012 #51
We've added the violent tendencies of the reptilian cortex into an active forebrain IDemo Mar 2012 #5
Stipulate that this is true malthaussen Mar 2012 #7
Stipulate which - the human brain structure, or that violence feels good? IDemo Mar 2012 #10
I was thinking more along the lines of a social "cure," malthaussen Mar 2012 #15
Chimps can be quite violent with one another RZM Mar 2012 #22
Yeah, apes even make war on other apes malthaussen Mar 2012 #23
Because basically we are killer apes. hobbit709 Mar 2012 #3
It's that whole survival of the fittest thing that we have instilled in our culture. TNLib Mar 2012 #8
But the question is, if you want to buy the Social Darwinism line malthaussen Mar 2012 #9
They are pro-survival TNLib Mar 2012 #13
Pro- for the individual or clan, perhaps, Ron Green Mar 2012 #14
Which leads us to the question... malthaussen Mar 2012 #16
Good OP with essential question, but I wish you'd been able to write it without BlueIris Mar 2012 #11
We don't just condone violence, it's our national religion gratuitous Mar 2012 #12
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Isaac Asimov Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #17
But Ikey was wrong. malthaussen Mar 2012 #18
I certainly don't disagree with you lunatica Mar 2012 #19
IMO the problem is the popular belief in the need to "let off steam" Odin2005 Mar 2012 #20
It's part of the human condition. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #21
Laws are formulated to regulate the human condition malthaussen Mar 2012 #24
Laws which frequently regulate violence rather than prohibit it. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #25
Still not satisfactory malthaussen Mar 2012 #26
You mentioned war, and war is sometimes (certainly not always) a rational choice. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #27
You and Prof de la Paz both malthaussen Mar 2012 #28
It's a very American thing handa Mar 2012 #35
Well, now, depends on your perspective malthaussen Mar 2012 #37
At what point do you prove the assertion that "we condone violence" please? flvegan Mar 2012 #42
At no point malthaussen Mar 2012 #45
Are you referring to that asshole Jim Rome? JonLP24 Mar 2012 #43
Thanks for refreshing my memory malthaussen Mar 2012 #46
I said what he did was wrong JonLP24 Mar 2012 #48
You did say it was wrong malthaussen Mar 2012 #50
Did Rome want to press charges? JonLP24 Mar 2012 #52
America has been at war for about 212 years out of its 236 year existence chnoutte Mar 2012 #44
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