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Tommy_Carcetti

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Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:00 AM Mar 2014

In an online context, "conspiracy lust" is a lot like blood lust. [View all]

I think there is an inate desire amongst many people--particularly in this 21st Century on an online setting--to either think there has to be more to a story than what there already is, or want to see a story become more than there actually is. And when it comes to the sanctuary of the keyboard, there's no limit.

People blood lust--unconsciously, even--when they want to see death, destruction and chaos abound in a situation to which they are not intimately connected. Because, face it, death, destruction and chaos are exciting from afar. It's why we have action stories and disaster movies. It makes intriguing television and fascinating news following. And when you don't have to experience it first hand, especially in our online society today, the sky's the limit for what you think should happen in a potential powder keg of a situation.

Likewise, I believe people also engage in "conspiracy lust." In main part because I believe people get bored of official stories. They get bored with the idea of what you see is what you get, and they wish that they were the secret gatekeepers of the knowledge of what really happened. And as is the case with blood lust, most of this conspiracy lust happens from afar, without an actual intimate connection to the events around the conspiracy lusters. Instead of that organic, real life tie to the situation, artificial ties are created by various people claiming to be authorities on the subject, so firsthand knowledge then becomes second hand knowledge, third hand knowledge, etc. And chances are, the more far fetched a conspiracy theory sounds, the more dubious and removed the authority actually is.

To be fair to all conspiracy theories, I will say they all begin with a core kernel of truth. For example, I am convinced that as it relates to the September 11th attacks, the Bush administration was--for whatever reason--not forthcoming as to all intelligence it had firsthand in the leadup to the attacks. And I also believe there were some in the Bush administration who really did see a silver lining in the attacks to further their own agenda or policy. The problem becomes, however, that from these kernels of truth, conspiracy lusters take huge logical leaps in creating an actual theory that ultimately disservice the legitimate underlying questions. So in their minds, those rational questions about September 11th suddenly becomes proof positive that a missile hit the Pentagon or that the World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition, or some other inane claptrap of the sort. This type of springboarding into the rhetorical abyss cannot be healthy behavior.

And the biggest problem for conspiracy lusters is the uninhibited willingness to dumpster dive into a pile of bullshit authorities in the vain effort to prove that their theory is in fact the true story of events. So when you feel perfectly willing to quote Paul Craig Roberts on a story when you know on any other subject you wouldn't be touching him with a 10 foot pole, you need to take a long hard look at yourself and decide whether it is worth to continue pushing your theory.

Why am I bringing this up now? Given the events over the past couple of weeks in Ukraine, it appears to become quite popular here to claim that what happened in Ukraine was a CIA sponsored coup, or that the country now lies in the grips of neo-Nazi/ultranationalist control. Many posts of that sort have been posted here, and even more have felt it okay to click the Rec button on such posts. And like all good conspiracy theories, there are underlying truths, truths that may indeed be inconvenient to many, even myself. Yes, the United States in the past has engaged in covert attempts to foment regime change in places like Iran or Chile and the like. Yes, included in the vast protest movement were some ultranationalists and even some neo-Nazis. And yes, as is common in any type of parliamentary legislative system, some legislators in far-right parties did receive cabinet posts in the interim (note: interim) government. But beyond what we do know, I've seen DUers climb all over themselves to insist these isolated facts are proof-positive of a much larger scheme, and they are mortgaging their credibility in the process. And in doing so from the comforts of their keyboards, they are doing a huge disservice to the people on the ground who have seen the truth with their very own eyes.

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"...they wish that they were the secret gatekeepers of the knowledge..." randome Mar 2014 #1
In the case of the Ukraine BainsBane Mar 2014 #2
When you want to push a good conspiracy theory, you will cite just about anything... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #4
Do you think they really look back? BainsBane Mar 2014 #5
Really? So you don't think or read about ANY event until you are CERTAIN all the facts are in? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #16
Excuse me? BainsBane Mar 2014 #43
Pseudo-intellectuals seem to believe in every conspiracy theory put in front of them. PhilSays Mar 2014 #3
And Iran-Contra never happened, nor "Watergate," nor Tonkin Gulf, nor Caesar's stabbing. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #18
Still doesn't justify the lunacy of truthers and other assorted nutjobs. PhilSays Mar 2014 #44
Two Points, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #6
+1. And it can pay quite well too. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #8
You have, quite nicely, ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #37
What "Consipiracy theorists" was too weak a term of opprobrium? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #7
I use the term because I think it is a pathological condition for many. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #11
So is naivete. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #19
And DELIBERATE naivete. Pholus Mar 2014 #35
I think we can see who is pathological around here Fumesucker Mar 2014 #42
When people insist everything is a conspiracy, it is a problem. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #45
And when people insist conspiracies never happen, that is also a problem.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #46
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they lack actual *theory.* OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #9
Start with "a new Pearl Harbor." WinkyDink Mar 2014 #20
I'm going before that. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #54
Interesting. Corporations, hmmm? Fascism: It's not just for Europe anymore. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #56
Lots of similarities between the internment and domestic surveillance. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #57
Where are battles won? Not the playing fields of Eton; rather, the suites of Wall Street. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #58
Perhaps if the government was more forthcoming and less addicted to secrecy, bemildred Mar 2014 #10
of course, that increased transparency would be a mere smokescreen geek tragedy Mar 2014 #25
Speculation is fun, isn't it? nt bemildred Mar 2014 #29
which may be part of the appeal. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #31
Indeed. And it removes the uncertainty of not knowing what is going on. bemildred Mar 2014 #34
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #38
Name a more transparent nation than the US treestar Mar 2014 #49
"We can do better." nt bemildred Mar 2014 #50
I thought your post treestar Mar 2014 #53
I'm not getting into a discussion about which nations are better than others. bemildred Mar 2014 #55
There are different types of conspiracy theories. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #12
Perhaps if our govt. and media was not a bunch of liars 2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #13
Questioning an official story is one thing. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #14
Some conspiracy theories are disinformation CJCRANE Mar 2014 #17
Here's your problem: If ANY "conspiracy theory" uncovered truth that the govt doesn't want you to WinkyDink Mar 2014 #24
Exactly, it's called "muddying the waters". CJCRANE Mar 2014 #28
If you don't tell people the truth, they will speculate and invent conspiracies. bemildred Mar 2014 #32
"People on the ground" often have an obstructed view. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #15
But where the espoused theory flies flat in the face of actual perception.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #22
WTC-7 wasn't hit by a plane, and no-one saw any do so. The S.H. claim is accepted nuttiness*. As for WinkyDink Mar 2014 #26
Broadly speaking Ukrainians are suffering mainly from ignorance dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #21
Somehow, I feel as if they are in a far, far better position to comment than you are. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #23
Not if they are denied facts. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #27
Except for those who see the facts with their own two eyes. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #30
Eyewitnesses can be wrong, can be fooled, can see what they want to perceive, and can lie. NOT WinkyDink Mar 2014 #33
Own two eyes ? dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #36
You're providing interesting facts, but not supporting an overall theory. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #40
Funny how ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #39
The Paranoid Style in American Politics by Richard Hofstadter MicaelS Mar 2014 #41
You are convinced you know better 1000words Mar 2014 #47
I know not to make reckless assumptions based on scant evidence. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #48
True shenmue Mar 2014 #51
Remember: Bad people NEVER make plans! FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #52
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