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61. No it's not.

Reply to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #60)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 07:43 PM

Mar 2014

It's really not.

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Yes, it is about the children (E Cigs) [View all] nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 OP

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #1

Disgusting. Truly loathsome... you ought to delete it cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #2

Strong messages are what helped me quit smoking..isolation from others�the cost of cigarettes... Tikki Mar 2014 #9

Hmmm... was I talking to you? cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #12

Thank you, I will... Tikki Mar 2014 #15

We are all welcome to respond, but I didn't say you should delete anything cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #16

^^^ THIS ^^^ COLGATE4 Mar 2014 #10

Native Americans could just give up alcohol but that takes something they don't have joeglow3 Mar 2014 #4

Please delete your insulting racist stereotype post or I will alert on it. Zorra Mar 2014 #215

Alert. I will trust that people can exercise more common sense than you joeglow3 Mar 2014 #218

I don't actually understand how that would be proper sarcasm... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #230

It was clear sarcasm joeglow3 Mar 2014 #239

It is obviously meant to be sarcastic. But the underpinnings of the joke are racist, regardless. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #240

I alerted, but the alert got sent before I finished writing it. Zorra Mar 2014 #225

I am from the Midwest and have seen how devastating alcohol is joeglow3 Mar 2014 #241

I am from the rural inland Northwest, and have seen how devastating it is to everyone, Zorra Mar 2014 #247

Clearly it is bad for whites as well joeglow3 Mar 2014 #248

It is an addiction nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #5

Judgmental tripe. Feral Child Mar 2014 #24

Post and run addicts... one_voice Mar 2014 #34

why are you still allowed to be on DU? but that takes something that the admins dont have. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #55

I have alerted the post and provided a link to another hidden post... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #75

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #78

You take this stance but CA will continue to vend cigarettes, cigars, and Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #3

This is great MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #6

I too hate science nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #7

Your own post= 'the science is coming...but they are bad!' Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #8

I'm still waiting to see the ads for 4th graders sad-cafe Mar 2014 #62

Hah! Shows what you know. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #73

HAHA that was good sad-cafe Mar 2014 #77

You're killing me, LV. Mariana Mar 2014 #80

! dionysus Mar 2014 #109

Until science comes in proving the safety of these nicotine-delivery devices pnwmom Mar 2014 #102

LOL, more paranoia!!!!!!!!! Glitterati Mar 2014 #243

The original bans of vaping? On nicotine? There were none. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #11

No, no coflation at all nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #14

From one of your links: Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #17

For the same reason as prohibition MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #21

So early deaths due to tobacco are a conspiracy? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #22

There is no conspiracy MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #31

Your business becomes mine nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #32

If only that were the case MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #40

Well that is the case nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #42

That's some logic you got going there MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #124

Yup, you got me there, public health is totalitarian nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #132

No, controlling individual behavior MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #249

My lord, since we are stoping you from smoking nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #250

oh brother sad-cafe Mar 2014 #251

I wish I could rep this 10000 times sad-cafe Mar 2014 #190

By the way, I forgot, when did the FBI and DEA nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #28

San Diego County was the center of the 'Cannabis Panic' as well Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #13

Sorry, but F the children Politicalboi Mar 2014 #18

I do not have kids, unless the conures are considered such (just ask them, I think they will agree) nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #19

These days with technology you can get around it. Politicalboi Mar 2014 #23

We do coddle too much nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #26

Do me a favor... VScott Mar 2014 #92

Well, you might want to start lobbying nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #96

Oh and I will add, from emerging science nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #20

Nobody's saying to smoke at work Politicalboi Mar 2014 #25

I posted some of those studies nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #27

Thank you! PasadenaTrudy Mar 2014 #30

In this case public health nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #35

THANK YOU! NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #101

Given I am all but religious, let alone Christian, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #111

Here we go.... SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #29

+1 virgogal Mar 2014 #126

Oh, and by the way. If you don't like Big Tobacco companies buying up ecig tech... SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #33

Dont fucking like em? Dont fucking use them. bunnies Mar 2014 #36

You really think that marketing a nicotine delivery system to children should not be regulated.... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #38

Because they come in colors? bunnies Mar 2014 #47

Colors are bad, mmmkay? -nt Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #81

only black & white. mmmmkay. bunnies Mar 2014 #87

Please show me where I said they need to be regulated because of colors. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #117

Where did I state that colors are the reason for them to be regulated. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #116

Right. bunnies Mar 2014 #119

What colors did I mention? Reading before replying is important(to some anyway). nt. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #120

Well the cute little bears are brown. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #122

Other than the patterns, how exactly are they marketed to children? bunnies Mar 2014 #127

"Other than"....... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #128

Theyre regulated in my state. bunnies Mar 2014 #131

You really need to have a convo with the FDA then Glitterati Mar 2014 #238

yeah but... zappaman Mar 2014 #39

lmao. bunnies Mar 2014 #48

Great post nadine. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #37

I was yesterday, after I said where I finally made nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #41

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that is one of most illogical arguments I have seen. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #79

haha too funny sad-cafe Mar 2014 #82

Holy shit! Vibrators are being marketed to kids? Mariana Mar 2014 #83

Let's not forget the Teletubbies, the moral menace turning our American youth gay SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #94

While funny nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #99

Beau Biden? You bet jberryhill Mar 2014 #103

Law enforcement folks can be misguided as easily as the lay person. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #105

She is a reporter at present, with media card and everything. Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #106

Whimsical accessories were also presented by staff nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #107

Glantz? beevul Mar 2014 #114

Somehow these anti-regulation individuals have dishonestly convinced themselves... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #118

Libertarianism (not the philosophy) nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #43

I sure hope you're going after air fresheners in such an aggressive manner as well. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #44

You may want to read frustrated_lefty Mar 2014 #45

I am betting that the research is being done right now nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #46

Here's the problem. frustrated_lefty Mar 2014 #69

You might want to clue professor Glantz on it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #110

Glantz is a well known anti with a well known agenda. N/T beevul Mar 2014 #115

I *think* I tend to disagree with you a lot...except not on this matter Sheepshank Mar 2014 #49

So stop the marketing to children (despite the fact I don't see that a bit). PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #50

yeah, but me me me Sheepshank Mar 2014 #53

wooooosh, right over your head PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #54

How is it being marketed exactly? Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #66

Why the hell are you posting a pix of smoking a cigarette in a thread about vaping? KittyWampus Mar 2014 #51

Started smoking at 14 smoked a pack a day to 24. Wish I had been using e-cigs. Exultant Democracy Mar 2014 #52

I remember getting sick when I tried nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #56

My family has a history of Alzheimer's, I wish I could have one cig a day, but there are so nasty. Exultant Democracy Mar 2014 #57

I think you are right, it is a tolerance issue nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #58

I think genetics play a big role in that... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #72

What about the children? Major Nikon Mar 2014 #59

You make light, m'kay nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #60

No it's not. zappaman Mar 2014 #61

no it is not! I agree with you Zappaman sad-cafe Mar 2014 #63

I'm around people who vape and barely notice it. zappaman Mar 2014 #65

totally agree sad-cafe Mar 2014 #84

Or what I posted is happening again Major Nikon Mar 2014 #88

I posted links to actual emerging science nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #98

You also ignored emerging science that contradicted what you posted Major Nikon Mar 2014 #104

At the moment, on balance, there is more on these things are nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #108

Which one of those has SPECIFICALLY said e-cigs are "not safe"? Major Nikon Mar 2014 #113

You can argue with WHO, CDC and FDA at this point. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #133

I'm just asking for evidence of your claim Major Nikon Mar 2014 #144

I cited some studies nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #145

I don't feel any obligation to prove what you can't or won't Major Nikon Mar 2014 #149

I posted those links nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #150

...which don't prove your claim Major Nikon Mar 2014 #154

When I get home nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #157

Apologize for what? Major Nikon Mar 2014 #161

There are more nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #169

For at least the 5th time (you were told several times yesterday) A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #64

I just read the article she wrote on yesterday's meeting. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #67

Spelling nannies.... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #97

It's spelled out quite clearly in your Stylebook Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #100

No Nadine, it's called professionalism. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #112

No, in this case it is called a direct attack on the messenger nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #134

Look...correcting a glaring mistake in spelling or grammar is NOT a "direct attack on the messenger" A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #140

Spelling and grammar nannies nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #151

Oh, for fucks sake. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #172

I am just telling you the experience of many who have been online for more than ten seconds nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #173

Nadine, you will notice that I rarely, IF EVER post on a thread you started. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #176

Hence why I do not post that often any more nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #182

hum, what degree do you have? sad-cafe Mar 2014 #193

She has a masters in history (SDSU) along with a bunch of other stuff Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #197

wow sad-cafe Mar 2014 #198

if I thought the jury would do its job, I would alert sad-cafe Mar 2014 #195

Number of posts, last 90 days: 2860 pintobean Mar 2014 #206

128 OPs in the last 30 days zappaman Mar 2014 #212

Does 'This message was self-deleted by its author' count as an OP? Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #245

Yes. zappaman Mar 2014 #246

wow, you are a well-rounded woman sad-cafe Mar 2014 #244

And down the rabbit hole you go. tammywammy Mar 2014 #194

LOL....yes, I suppose you're right. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #196

I earned a spot on that list the other day SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #201

10000% sad-cafe Mar 2014 #192

credibility? Kali Mar 2014 #159

Apparently, she works for the AP now. pintobean Mar 2014 #166

Interesting link maddezmom Mar 2014 #167

That's Unpossible! Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #171

Good lord. n/t zappaman Mar 2014 #168

I just read the article you wrote on yesterday's meeting. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #68

And it's amazing frustrated_lefty Mar 2014 #70

shocking. tammywammy Mar 2014 #71

Well, that is shocking. zappaman Mar 2014 #76

As I said in the other thread... Brickbat Mar 2014 #91

Your use of a picture of a cigarette when discussing vaping is disingenuous. tammywammy Mar 2014 #74

still waiting to see the pictures marketing them to kids sad-cafe Mar 2014 #85

Don't hold you breath (unless, of course someone is vaping 10 feet away from you). Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #86

Processed sugar is marketed to kids in all sorts of ways Major Nikon Mar 2014 #89

I agree sad-cafe Mar 2014 #90

I posted the other day about pipoman Mar 2014 #93

If you really care about the kids, worry about ... frazzled Mar 2014 #95

Be careful that you don't run into dubious science with other reg schemes. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #123

No bad science regarding gun deaths frazzled Mar 2014 #125

So, what do you do with them? Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #204

This thread is all kinds of awesome... SidDithers Mar 2014 #121

Isn't it though? JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #129

Drug Warriors just *will not* give up the fight for anything. So, we find a new bugaboo. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #130

You are right nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #137

So it isn't just about protecting the children maddezmom Mar 2014 #143

If your argument requires such bizarre straw men, then what have you accomplished here? Romulox Mar 2014 #147

I took your statement to nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #152

"Logical conclusion" my eye. You made something up, then attributed it to me. Lame. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #160

Whatever dude nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #170

BTW--I'm an ex-smoker, since 2002. Never touched an "e-cigarette". nt Romulox Mar 2014 #148

I am glad for you nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #153

The effects of nicotine are well understood. Marr Mar 2014 #156

After the vapor menace has been dealt with LordGlenconner Mar 2014 #136

And there is emerging science to say these devices cause cancer Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #138

Until the science is complete, air turbines should be banned. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #139

Yes, the electric bolts of lightening or something maddezmom Mar 2014 #142

I have seen coyotes screaming and trying to climb trees. zappaman Mar 2014 #141

I saw the best canids of my generation destroyed by turbines, Codeine Mar 2014 #158

!!! zappaman Mar 2014 #162

The science is not in. Sissyk Mar 2014 #146

This is just embarrassing. Marr Mar 2014 #155

Nicotine is harmless... heard all now nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #174

In comparison to tobacco, it's *nothing*. Marr Mar 2014 #175

The jury is still out on that statement nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #177

The jury is most certainly NOT out on whether nicotine is more dangerous than tobacco. Marr Mar 2014 #178

Well, then... I guess we should just consider them safe as unicorns nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #185

You want to do what with e cigs? Ban them? Keep them out of public spaces? What? Marr Mar 2014 #186

None is calling for a ban nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #187

Nothing is totally harmless. But its about on par with caffeine, in and of itself. phleshdef Mar 2014 #228

kids mimic what adults do Kali Mar 2014 #163

I miss smoking American Spirit aikoaiko Mar 2014 #164

My friends who still smoke, all smoke this brand. zappaman Mar 2014 #165

I think its the no additives thing mostly. They seemed smoother to me. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #180

No, it not about CHILDREN HockeyMom Mar 2014 #179

So you think CDC is wrong and they made that up? Or for that matter researchers at places like UCSF? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #181

Hi Nadin... I think you Opened up a Good Discussion fascisthunter Mar 2014 #183

Thanks, I think we need to discuss this in depth. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #184

I'm addicted to Nicotine fascisthunter Mar 2014 #188

My dad could never quit nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #189

Yeah, the Tone Does Makeme Think That fascisthunter Mar 2014 #191

Your links don't say what you suggest they do. DirkGently Mar 2014 #199

I am sure you will tell that to CDC that is also making those claims nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #200

I think everyone is in favor of safety testing. It's just not DirkGently Mar 2014 #202

Again, go argue with CDC nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #203

I don't think the CDC backs you up in the slightest. DirkGently Mar 2014 #205

Ok, you don't think so nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #207

Could the "increased rate" be as simple as "it didn't exist 10 years ago"? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #208

And Health Authorities are worried. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #209

When was the last time "Health Authorities" weren't worried about something? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #210

"e-cigs cause spontaneous vagina dentata in men"? zappaman Mar 2014 #211

I was rather proud of that phrase. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #214

Look, I want that testing nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #213

-1 krawhitham Mar 2014 #216

I rather like the "gateway to smoking tobacco cigarettes" myth. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #217

So actual research flies in the face of actual logic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #219

Are you kidding me? Check your sources, reporter! PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #221

I don't mind science. Bad science on the other hand is another story. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #222

But we have now research that proves you wrong nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #223

The FDA question is irrelevant to discussion of e-cigs being a gateway to tobacco cigs. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #232

No that is the CDC saying that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #233

And let me add this for you, on the FDA vs the industry nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #224

So, the FDA approved cancer causing nicotine replacement therapy? Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #226

You do understand the difference in delivery methods nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #227

So, 10-15 years of clinical trials. From 2009 that puts a release date of 2019-2024. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #234

I am sorry, if you do not understand why those trials are needed nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #235

We already have a Nicotrol inhaler on the market. (Gasp FDA approved inhaled nicotine?) Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #236

You can have your views nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #237

so tell me, are you trained in pharmacology as well? sad-cafe Mar 2014 #242

A quality e-cig tastes better than smoking a real cig. phleshdef Mar 2014 #229

Out of these shocking myths, a few of them have not been properly tested nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #220

so you continue to ignore all REALITY based facts sad-cafe Mar 2014 #231