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freshwest

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165. Remember the segments on O'Reilly and Hannity when they did the List of American Enemies?
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 12:33 AM
Mar 2014

Gee, they were all anti-war liberals, too. Libertarians are more liberal than liberals, don't ya know, because they are pure as the driven snow.

All I could make out of the Faux Noise 2-minute Hate was O'Reilly was auditioning for Goebbels and Hannity was playing a Hitler wannabe.

I know about all the memes and how the Right and Reich and Libertarians and Teabags use them repeatedly to disrupt and demoralize Democrats to get them to not vote in the midterms.

Election seasons do NOT start after the primaries, they are in action all year, every year. We are being given the CREEP treatment just like Segretti did for Nixon, and was done in every election thereater.

This is the ammo to create another Tea Party victory in 2014 like the one in 2010, and people have still not gloomed onto the technique. The GOP gave it such an attractive name, too, Ratfucking:



Don Segretti 4.0, A Teabagger Nation

By Driftglass - **June 21, 2010**

'Ratfucking' is a method the GOP began during the Nixon era and consistently after that time. Since they have the money to fund pundits to do this for them, it will continue. Beware.

The practice has won the right many victories for them and very effective in causing Democrats to abandon their candidates and their party. The man who originated the term and method was:

Donald Henry Segretti (born September 17, 1941, in San Marino, California) is a former political operative for the Committee to Re-elect the President (Nixon) during the early 1970s. Segretti was hired by friend Dwight L. Chapin to run a campaign of dirty tricks (which he dubbed "ratfucking"[1]) against the Democrats, with his work being paid for by Herb Kalmbach, Nixon's lawyer, from presidential campaign re-election funds gathered before an April 7, 1972, law required that contributors be identified. His actions were part of the larger Watergate scandal, and were important indicators for the few members of the press actively investigating the Watergate break in in the earliest stages that what became known as the Watergate scandal involved far more than just a simple break in. Segretti's involvement in the "Canuck letter"[2] typifies the tactics Segretti and others working with him used, forging a letter ascribed to Senator Edmund Muskie which maligned the people, language and culture of French Canada and French Canadians, causing the soon to be Democratic presidential candidate Muskie considerable headaches in denying the letter and having to continue dealing with the issue. Many historians have indicated over the years that Muskie's withdrawal from the Presidential primaries, and the disastrous Iowa primary loss to George McGovern that precipitated it, were at least partly the result of Segretti and some of the other "Ratfuckers" creating so much confusion and false accusations that Muskie simply could not respond in any meaningful way.

In 1974, Segretti pleaded guilty to three misdemeanor counts of distributing illegal (in fact, forged) campaign literature and was sentenced to six months in prison, actually serving four months. One notable example of his wrongdoing was a faked letter on Democratic presidential candidate Edmund Muskie's letterhead falsely alleging that U.S. Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a fellow Democrat, had had an illegitimate child with a 17-year-old; the Muskie letters accused Senator Hubert H. Humphrey of sexual misconduct as well.[3] After testimony regarding the Muskie letters emerged, Democrats in Florida noted the similarity between these sabotage incidents and others that involved stationery stolen from Humphrey's offices after Muskie dropped out of the race. A false news release on Humphrey's letterhead "accused Rep. Shirley Chisholm (D-N.Y.) of being mentally unbalanced" and a mailing with an unidentified source mischaracterized Humphrey as supporting a controversial environmental measure that he actually opposed.[3]

In the 1976 film about Watergate, All the President's Men, Segretti was played by Robert Walden.

Segretti was a lawyer who served as a prosecutor for the military and later as a civilian. However, his license was suspended for two years following his conviction. In 1995, he ran for a local judgeship in Orange County, California. However, he quickly withdrew from the race when his campaign awakened lingering anger over his involvement in the Watergate scandal. In 2000, Segretti served as co-chair of John McCain's presidential campaign in Orange County.[4]

He holds a B.S. in Finance from the University of Southern California (1963) and a J.D. from UC Berkeley School of Law (1966). While at USC he became associated with Dwight L. Chapin, Tim Elbourne, Ron Ziegler, Herbert Porter and Gordon C. Strachan, they all joined the "Trojans for Representative Government" group.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Segretti



Back in the Nixon era

It would be tempting to label this "The Return of the Ratfuckers", but of course the GOP Ratfuck squad (from Corrente) --

Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks. It was first brought to public attention during the Watergate scandal investigation that during the 1972 presidential campaign the Nixon campaign committee maintained a "dirty tricks" unit focused on discrediting Nixon's strongest challengers.

According to Woodward and Bernstein, Nixon aide Dwight Chapin hired fellow USC alumnus Donald Segretti to run a campaign of dirty tricks (which Segretti dubbed "ratfucking&quot against the Democrats in 1972. The purpose of the operation was to create as much bitterness and disunity within the Democrat primary as possible. One notable example of Segretti's wrong-doing was a faked letter on Democratic presidential candidate Edmund Muskie's letterhead falsely alleging that U.S. Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a fellow Democrat, had had an illegitimate child with a 17-year-old...

-- has never left us.


Much more worth reading at:

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2010/06/don-segretti-40-teabagger-nation.html

This is why we see one thing after another against Obama, Kerry, Pelosi and Democrats to gin up outrage. Some things we hear about are based on difference of opinion, tearing up Democrats and our leaders is not productive. Many of the issues have been manufactured about the things guaranteed break the hearts of liberal, progressive Democrats, but usually by Libertarians who do not want the same things. But they want to destroy the Democrats because they are the force that robs their coporatist masters.

So what happens is that Democrats feel betrayed and react accordingly, but they are seldom given opposing information.

And as soon as one issue is debunked, they move immediately to another. It is exhausting and costly to rebutt all of these, and after a while by repetition they are established as a truth by the inability to not rebut them at the speed they are sent out. They are the monied party, after all, now being sponsored by the really big money, like the Koch brothers.

Ratfucking relies upon the learned perception that the well of political discourse has been turned into a cesspool, and counts on the discouraged to lose the will to get in government and clean the mess up. Instead, in their place are Tea Party grifters as the voices of the sane and the compassionate stay out of political life. Thus the RW mission is accomplished.

Another major reason some smears are not rebutted is we don't have Koch billions to fund these smears, so they outvote us with their media dollars and paid pundits. We have to be smart and not allow this to divide us.

It applies to what is being done to attack Obama and most Democrats right now.

Anyone who followed the political scene for many years would recognize the approach being used with or without the term 'ratfucking.'

But the term is shorthand for a complicatd process. Its purpose is to destroy the reputation or credibility of the Democratic Party and Obama among those who should be rightly proud of our accomplishments. The media is owned by right wingers and they do not show our side in a credible fashion.

Make no mistake, it is not just the personality or the actions of our party or our president being attacked, it is the progressive ideas represented. And now we see that they are going after each and every Democrat on the personal level. That and we are the enemy of the RWers and Koch organizations who are fighting by going after our leaders and now, all of us. They will use Citizens United and every other weapon in their hands to defeat us and our hopes for a better America and a better world.

In more recent events, think of the method employed to ruin the Kennedys, ACORN and so many others. We must not be taken in.

**Yes, some of us realized what was happening as the media and pundits formerly trusted did this in the summer of 2010, and it worked very well. We tried to warn others, but they stayed away from the polls and many states now live under the boot of the Tea Party.

Will they succeed in 2014?


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In before the pole n/t mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #1
Damnit Aerows Mar 2014 #32
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I think they Aerows Mar 2014 #52
I think they might respond that Democracy is overrated. They feel security is more important rhett o rick Mar 2014 #2
That's the Big Debate.... "Feeling Scure" vs. living a Free Country fascisthunter Mar 2014 #3
That was the excuse we heard during the Bush administration AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #91
You're kidding, right? babylonsister Mar 2014 #4
Not kidding at all whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #7
Oh, not. It's groupthink and anyone who disagrees with the holier than Cha Mar 2014 #8
Not as creepy as the creeps who support spying on American citizens whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #9
Straw Men R Us. ProSense Mar 2014 #20
Eddie's last fuck up really got to you guys... Whisp Mar 2014 #85
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YAY, I've reached Ignore Status with the one who always Announces it like Cha Mar 2014 #160
Can't I get on that ignore too? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #170
I saw someone else Cha Mar 2014 #179
Funny that a host of the BOG would use "Groupthink" in a disparaging way. cui bono Mar 2014 #138
LOL !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #140
Wow its groupthink to like the Democratic President on a Democratic bulletin board... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #171
LOL that VERY thought occured to me and I would've said something laundry_queen Mar 2014 #164
because liking the Democratic President on the Democratic Underground is just VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #172
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What do you think about the massive spying on the American people? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #177
It's the new thing: ProSense Mar 2014 #22
Ha, look who's talking whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #26
Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #29
You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #30
He would be the hero of the day Aerows Mar 2014 #34
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"I don't give a rat's ass about the messengers" ProSense Mar 2014 #35
Hey "Pro" whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #41
Denial ProSense Mar 2014 #46
Not in the OP whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #48
Not only did you bring up Snowden, but also Greenwald and Assange. I mean ProSense Mar 2014 #51
So singleminded... whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #56
10 PRINT "Obama good" mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #50
Impressive. ProSense Mar 2014 #54
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I resemble that remark! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #71
I wonder if the blue link generator automatically randomly adds Jamastiene Mar 2014 #135
LOL! Whisp Mar 2014 #86
The shut down theatrics Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #92
You are so right. lumpy Mar 2014 #155
Or writing gossip columns about the individual rather than policy. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #88
Is there a discussion somewhere about the massive spying on the American people? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #178
Libertarian absolutism strikes again. Sounds very right wing to me. 'Love it leave it,' and the freshwest Mar 2014 #150
Bravo! Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #161
They're either intentionally adding misinformation, or scared. It's fairly easy to determine which. Scuba Mar 2014 #5
I'm getting some popcorn neverforget Mar 2014 #6
I'm uncomfortable with asserting this JoeyT Mar 2014 #10
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #110
Let's get em! n/t leeroysphitz Mar 2014 #11
Yeah, I'm pushing keys like mad! That oughta do it. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #158
Not me,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2014 #12
No privacy? blackspade Mar 2014 #13
I have said this from the beggining...the Internet has NEVER been private. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #36
sounds like you don't know what a party line was. Rumold Mar 2014 #61
No I do remember party line....I also remember that we could just listen to other people VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #62
and this is somehow like "the Internet" Rumold Mar 2014 #63
In that we are ALL using the same lines....there is nothing inherently private about it... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #64
what exactly is "inherently private" Rumold Mar 2014 #67
You don't really know how the Internet works do you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #68
first of all , drop the party line Rumold Mar 2014 #69
"first of all" I don't have to drop anything... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #70
i find that hard to believe Rumold Mar 2014 #72
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its not brain dead....its true... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #127
misunderstanding Rumold Mar 2014 #133
I used the proper acronym for a reason.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #137
and his thoughts on snowden Rumold Mar 2014 #139
this was not about Snowden and Tim Berners-Lee was it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #149
no, it was about a brain-dead statement... Rumold Mar 2014 #159
what do you think "open" means? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #169
".... they haven't done anything to apologize for.... " Rumold Mar 2014 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #44
"whining" reddread Mar 2014 #45
You remind me of someone I used to know. sibelian Mar 2014 #81
Don't worry, it's just meta data. See, data is metaphyisical and NSA is like a spiritual guru pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #14
UGH, is this where Democracy is headed? Iliyah Mar 2014 #15
It's because this isn't about highways or budgets, 1awake Mar 2014 #94
Destroying democracy to save it. Mantra of rocket surgeons everywhere. GoneFishin Mar 2014 #16
Look, ProSense Mar 2014 #18
The Decider Rides Again. Like some gawdamn dictator. Cha Mar 2014 #43
I can see some who would answer this in the affirmative: freshwest Mar 2014 #154
LOL. eom 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #113
Hehehe . . . good one, ProSense. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #153
Why do I hear this simplistic pronouncement Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #19
Schizophrenia? whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #21
No, I don't hallucinate Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #24
I think even Mz. Sarah, old "blood libel" herself would turn up her nose at this foolishness Number23 Mar 2014 #23
Well Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #25
Because it sounds like some dumbass thing she would sputter getting her Cha Mar 2014 #40
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lol Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #82
Too late ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #116
Dunno.. same reason I hear the opposite in the voice of Dick Chenney? nt 1awake Mar 2014 #95
The only "opposite" you're hearing Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #102
It is not a strawman 1awake Mar 2014 #103
Wut? Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #104
Can we be authoritarian hippies? That sounds like a good middle ground. randome Mar 2014 #106
I heard it in Joseph Mcarthy's voice ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #119
Remember the segments on O'Reilly and Hannity when they did the List of American Enemies? freshwest Mar 2014 #165
Ding. Ding. Ding. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #166
Oh, it'd get locked for whining about DU3, ya know! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #180
Who are the apologists for the NSA/CIA? Certainly not me. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #27
Water carrying apologists for the NSA/CIA are enemies of democracy..... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #28
Raising the minimum wage, getting more people into the ACA exchanges, PhilSays Mar 2014 #31
Seems like you are holding Obama responsible for the actions of those agencies whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #33
+1 sagat Mar 2014 #76
No... none are more important. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #96
Wake up, sheeple! BenzoDia Mar 2014 #38
This thread would be incomplete Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #93
I'm glad someone got it. hehe BenzoDia Mar 2014 #151
I see what you did there. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #152
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big K & R! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #49
Big Gov't-Loving Surveillance-Staters versus people who understand that without Privacy... nikto Mar 2014 #55
Countries with total control by authorities and spying on their own citizens...Iran..Korea.. Lint Head Mar 2014 #57
Have ANY acts of terror been prevented by NSA metadata spying? JEB Mar 2014 #58
Probably a couple acts of terror Aerows Mar 2014 #59
So, the full spectrum peeping tom-ism doesn't even do the job JEB Mar 2014 #65
Oh, I'm sure it does the job Aerows Mar 2014 #66
shit, they couldn't even prevent the Boston Marathon bombings.. frylock Mar 2014 #132
Well, since they're not allowed to spy on citizens... randome Mar 2014 #134
Shut the Occupy folks up, didn't it? durablend Mar 2014 #87
Occupy shut itself down. Or up. Or whatever. Snowden is doing the same. randome Mar 2014 #89
No. But even if it had, it's beside the point. woo me with science Mar 2014 #98
It is a hugely profitable industry that they want hidden behind the veil of secrecy jsr Mar 2014 #105
Couldn't agree more. JEB Mar 2014 #181
Only everything that Osama bin Laden was planning ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #129
Did you honestly need to start a new thread just for this? Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #73
As an objective observer, I must say... nikto Mar 2014 #74
Of course he did.. we need to know how holier than thou they are and their opinion Cha Mar 2014 #75
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But... that will only leave you with like.. 5 people left to read?? nt 1awake Mar 2014 #97
Does anyone else ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #120
Doesn't supporting authoritarians constitute being authoritarian? 1awake Mar 2014 #124
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Why do you think that anyone cares? I sincerely would like to know Number23 Mar 2014 #142
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So if you're the only one that cares that you put people on ignore, why announce it? Number23 Mar 2014 #157
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You really don't have much respect for fellow DUers, do you? randome Mar 2014 #83
I could respect someonone who didn't mind being spied upon Fumesucker Mar 2014 #108
So you equate storing copies of phone metadata as spying? randome Mar 2014 #115
Odd how Diane Feinstein didn't care about others being spied on.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #118
I think Feinstein has a point. randome Mar 2014 #121
Of course you do, Feinstein is powerful so you see her point Fumesucker Mar 2014 #122
Oh, please. I have no love or hate for Feinstein. She's just another Congress-critter to me. randome Mar 2014 #125
K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #84
Yes, they are. woo me with science Mar 2014 #90
Maybe your right... I don't really know. 1awake Mar 2014 #99
Speaking of water did you know toilets are connected to an invisible data-collection network? ucrdem Mar 2014 #100
That's what I like about this topic. Turbineguy Mar 2014 #101
Right. The torturers, murderers, snoopers, are just poor, misunderstood, patriots.. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #107
The torturers, murderers, Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #109
Apparently, it's Obama who doesn't want to have a "reasonable discussion" about torture, etc. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #111
Well the thing is its biting him in the ass Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #112
About time. "Looking forward" isn't working as a CYA tool. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #114
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"I have here in my hand a list of enemies of democracy!" JoePhilly Mar 2014 #117
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Don't worry, the partisan zombies will oppose spying once a Rethug is president LittleBlue Mar 2014 #123
Yes they are!!! FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #126
Bingo! Rec'd. Corruption Inc Mar 2014 #128
Good grief.. DCBob Mar 2014 #130
I don't think that is a very helpful or upbuilding post functioning_cog Mar 2014 #131
It wasn't intended to be. randome Mar 2014 #136
So Pres.Obama is an enemy of democracy? JaneyVee Mar 2014 #141
Maybe, maybe not. But, the CIA/NSA that he oversees certainly are. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #174
Proudly kicked and Recced. Fuddnik Mar 2014 #143
"You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror" Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #146
Hmmm...judging by some of the replies in this thread Rex Mar 2014 #167
deja vu bobduca Mar 2014 #168
Anyone who tries to excuse what we have learned about them is complicit in the ongoing attempt to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #175
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