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sabrina 1

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178. Is there a discussion somewhere about the massive spying on the American people?

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 02:23 AM

Mar 2014

All I ever see are the same old excuses, and/or attacks on the Whistle Blower or personal attacks on those who have never changed their minds on Government spying on the people since we first found out about under Bush.

I would love to have a discussion about it for a change.

Why not start right here?

Do you support or oppose the policies of the NSA involving spying on every American?

I oppose them, always have, I like the 4th Amendment especially since it was written with great thought and a knowledge of what allowing Government intrusion, especially in secret, with secret courts, secret warrants etc, (it's not new but still as bad as it always was) throughout history. You can't have a democracy when the government views its own people, all of them, as suspects.

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Water carrying apologists for the NSA/CIA are enemies of democracy [View all] whatchamacallit Mar 2014 OP

In before the pole n/t mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #1

Damnit Aerows Mar 2014 #32

Were your boxes mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #47

I think they Aerows Mar 2014 #52

I think they might respond that Democracy is overrated. They feel security is more important rhett o rick Mar 2014 #2

That's the Big Debate.... "Feeling Scure" vs. living a Free Country fascisthunter Mar 2014 #3

That was the excuse we heard during the Bush administration AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #91

You're kidding, right? babylonsister Mar 2014 #4

Not kidding at all whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #7

Oh, not. It's groupthink and anyone who disagrees with the holier than Cha Mar 2014 #8

Not as creepy as the creeps who support spying on American citizens whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #9

Straw Men R Us. ProSense Mar 2014 #20

Eddie's last fuck up really got to you guys... Whisp Mar 2014 #85

Lol!! Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #145

You should feel bad for those who have been exposed violation the Constitutional rights of the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #79

YAY, I've reached Ignore Status with the one who always Announces it like Cha Mar 2014 #160

Can't I get on that ignore too? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #170

I saw someone else Cha Mar 2014 #179

Funny that a host of the BOG would use "Groupthink" in a disparaging way. cui bono Mar 2014 #138

LOL !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #140

Wow its groupthink to like the Democratic President on a Democratic bulletin board... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #171

LOL that VERY thought occured to me and I would've said something laundry_queen Mar 2014 #164

because liking the Democratic President on the Democratic Underground is just VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author laundry_queen Mar 2014 #173

What do you think about the massive spying on the American people? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #177

It's the new thing: ProSense Mar 2014 #22

Ha, look who's talking whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #26

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #29

You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #30

He would be the hero of the day Aerows Mar 2014 #34

Who gives a shit when he did it whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #37

You misunderstand me Aerows Mar 2014 #39

Dig. Sorry. whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #42

No Problem Aerows Mar 2014 #53

"I don't give a rat's ass about the messengers" ProSense Mar 2014 #35

Hey "Pro" whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #41

Denial ProSense Mar 2014 #46

Not in the OP whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #48

Not only did you bring up Snowden, but also Greenwald and Assange. I mean ProSense Mar 2014 #51

So singleminded... whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #56

10 PRINT "Obama good" mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #50

Impressive. ProSense Mar 2014 #54

. mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #60

I resemble that remark! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #71

I wonder if the blue link generator automatically randomly adds Jamastiene Mar 2014 #135

LOL! Whisp Mar 2014 #86

The shut down theatrics Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #92

You are so right. lumpy Mar 2014 #155

Or writing gossip columns about the individual rather than policy. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #88

Is there a discussion somewhere about the massive spying on the American people? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #178

Libertarian absolutism strikes again. Sounds very right wing to me. 'Love it leave it,' and the freshwest Mar 2014 #150

Bravo! Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #161

They're either intentionally adding misinformation, or scared. It's fairly easy to determine which. Scuba Mar 2014 #5

I'm getting some popcorn neverforget Mar 2014 #6

I'm uncomfortable with asserting this JoeyT Mar 2014 #10

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #110

Let's get em! n/t leeroysphitz Mar 2014 #11

Yeah, I'm pushing keys like mad! That oughta do it. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #158

Not me,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2014 #12

No privacy? blackspade Mar 2014 #13

I have said this from the beggining...the Internet has NEVER been private. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #36

sounds like you don't know what a party line was. Rumold Mar 2014 #61

No I do remember party line....I also remember that we could just listen to other people VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #62

and this is somehow like "the Internet" Rumold Mar 2014 #63

In that we are ALL using the same lines....there is nothing inherently private about it... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #64

what exactly is "inherently private" Rumold Mar 2014 #67

You don't really know how the Internet works do you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #68

first of all , drop the party line Rumold Mar 2014 #69

"first of all" I don't have to drop anything... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #70

i find that hard to believe Rumold Mar 2014 #72

+1 U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #77

its not brain dead....its true... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #127

misunderstanding Rumold Mar 2014 #133

I used the proper acronym for a reason.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #137

and his thoughts on snowden Rumold Mar 2014 #139

this was not about Snowden and Tim Berners-Lee was it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #149

no, it was about a brain-dead statement... Rumold Mar 2014 #159

what do you think "open" means? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #169

".... they haven't done anything to apologize for.... " Rumold Mar 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #44

"whining" reddread Mar 2014 #45

You remind me of someone I used to know. sibelian Mar 2014 #81

Don't worry, it's just meta data. See, data is metaphyisical and NSA is like a spiritual guru pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #14

UGH, is this where Democracy is headed? Iliyah Mar 2014 #15

It's because this isn't about highways or budgets, 1awake Mar 2014 #94

Destroying democracy to save it. Mantra of rocket surgeons everywhere. GoneFishin Mar 2014 #16

Look, ProSense Mar 2014 #18

The Decider Rides Again. Like some gawdamn dictator. Cha Mar 2014 #43

I can see some who would answer this in the affirmative: freshwest Mar 2014 #154

LOL. eom 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #113

Hehehe . . . good one, ProSense. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #153

Why do I hear this simplistic pronouncement Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #19

Schizophrenia? whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #21

No, I don't hallucinate Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #24

I think even Mz. Sarah, old "blood libel" herself would turn up her nose at this foolishness Number23 Mar 2014 #23

Well Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #25

Because it sounds like some dumbass thing she would sputter getting her Cha Mar 2014 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #80

lol Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #82

Too late ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #116

Dunno.. same reason I hear the opposite in the voice of Dick Chenney? nt 1awake Mar 2014 #95

The only "opposite" you're hearing Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #102

It is not a strawman 1awake Mar 2014 #103

Wut? Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #104

Can we be authoritarian hippies? That sounds like a good middle ground. randome Mar 2014 #106

I heard it in Joseph Mcarthy's voice ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #119

Remember the segments on O'Reilly and Hannity when they did the List of American Enemies? freshwest Mar 2014 #165

Ding. Ding. Ding. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #166

Oh, it'd get locked for whining about DU3, ya know! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #180

Who are the apologists for the NSA/CIA? Certainly not me. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #27

Water carrying apologists for the NSA/CIA are enemies of democracy..... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #28

Raising the minimum wage, getting more people into the ACA exchanges, PhilSays Mar 2014 #31

Seems like you are holding Obama responsible for the actions of those agencies whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #33

+1 sagat Mar 2014 #76

No... none are more important. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #96

Wake up, sheeple! BenzoDia Mar 2014 #38

This thread would be incomplete Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #93

I'm glad someone got it. hehe BenzoDia Mar 2014 #151

I see what you did there. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #152

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #156

big K & R! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #49

Big Gov't-Loving Surveillance-Staters versus people who understand that without Privacy... nikto Mar 2014 #55

Countries with total control by authorities and spying on their own citizens...Iran..Korea.. Lint Head Mar 2014 #57

Have ANY acts of terror been prevented by NSA metadata spying? JEB Mar 2014 #58

Probably a couple acts of terror Aerows Mar 2014 #59

So, the full spectrum peeping tom-ism doesn't even do the job JEB Mar 2014 #65

Oh, I'm sure it does the job Aerows Mar 2014 #66

shit, they couldn't even prevent the Boston Marathon bombings.. frylock Mar 2014 #132

Well, since they're not allowed to spy on citizens... randome Mar 2014 #134

Shut the Occupy folks up, didn't it? durablend Mar 2014 #87

Occupy shut itself down. Or up. Or whatever. Snowden is doing the same. randome Mar 2014 #89

No. But even if it had, it's beside the point. woo me with science Mar 2014 #98

It is a hugely profitable industry that they want hidden behind the veil of secrecy jsr Mar 2014 #105

Couldn't agree more. JEB Mar 2014 #181

Only everything that Osama bin Laden was planning ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #129

Did you honestly need to start a new thread just for this? Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #73

As an objective observer, I must say... nikto Mar 2014 #74

Of course he did.. we need to know how holier than thou they are and their opinion Cha Mar 2014 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #78

But... that will only leave you with like.. 5 people left to read?? nt 1awake Mar 2014 #97

Does anyone else ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #120

Doesn't supporting authoritarians constitute being authoritarian? 1awake Mar 2014 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #147

Why do you think that anyone cares? I sincerely would like to know Number23 Mar 2014 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #144

So if you're the only one that cares that you put people on ignore, why announce it? Number23 Mar 2014 #157

Oh there's a whole lotta rude and snide Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #163

You really don't have much respect for fellow DUers, do you? randome Mar 2014 #83

I could respect someonone who didn't mind being spied upon Fumesucker Mar 2014 #108

So you equate storing copies of phone metadata as spying? randome Mar 2014 #115

Odd how Diane Feinstein didn't care about others being spied on.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #118

I think Feinstein has a point. randome Mar 2014 #121

Of course you do, Feinstein is powerful so you see her point Fumesucker Mar 2014 #122

Oh, please. I have no love or hate for Feinstein. She's just another Congress-critter to me. randome Mar 2014 #125

K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #84

Yes, they are. woo me with science Mar 2014 #90

Maybe your right... I don't really know. 1awake Mar 2014 #99

Speaking of water did you know toilets are connected to an invisible data-collection network? ucrdem Mar 2014 #100

That's what I like about this topic. Turbineguy Mar 2014 #101

Right. The torturers, murderers, snoopers, are just poor, misunderstood, patriots.. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #107

The torturers, murderers, Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #109

Apparently, it's Obama who doesn't want to have a "reasonable discussion" about torture, etc. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #111

Well the thing is its biting him in the ass Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #112

About time. "Looking forward" isn't working as a CYA tool. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #148

"I have here in my hand a list of enemies of democracy!" JoePhilly Mar 2014 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #182

Don't worry, the partisan zombies will oppose spying once a Rethug is president LittleBlue Mar 2014 #123

Yes they are!!! FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #126

Bingo! Rec'd. Corruption Inc Mar 2014 #128

Good grief.. DCBob Mar 2014 #130

I don't think that is a very helpful or upbuilding post functioning_cog Mar 2014 #131

It wasn't intended to be. randome Mar 2014 #136

So Pres.Obama is an enemy of democracy? JaneyVee Mar 2014 #141

Maybe, maybe not. But, the CIA/NSA that he oversees certainly are. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #174

Proudly kicked and Recced. Fuddnik Mar 2014 #143

"You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror" Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #146

Hmmm...judging by some of the replies in this thread Rex Mar 2014 #167

deja vu bobduca Mar 2014 #168

Anyone who tries to excuse what we have learned about them is complicit in the ongoing attempt to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #175