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ProSense

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20. Good questions. The
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 10:13 AM
Mar 2014

timeline is interesting.

The removals happened in 2010. It's not hard to believe that there are people at the CIA who don't want this information to come out.

Reading into Senator Feinstein's statement and the timeline: Brennan wasn't head of the CIA when the documents were removed, but interestingly he lost out on the position in Obama's first term because of his support for torture.

Feinstein:

As CIA Director Brennan has stated, the CIA officially agrees with some of our study. But, as has been reported, the CIA disagrees and disputes important parts of it. And this is important: Some of these important parts that the CIA now disputes in our committee study are clearly acknowledged in the CIA’s own Internal Panetta Review.

To say the least, this is puzzling. How can the CIA’s official response to our study stand factually in conflict with its own Internal Review?

Heads will likely roll at the CIA at the conclusion of an investigation into the removal of documents. It's likely there could be criminal charges. Still, the main purpose of this trampling on the separation of powers is an attempt to hide Bush's torture program.

The report, if as damaging as Feinstein states, should result in war crime prosecutions.

It's interesting that the most sought-after documents on torture, ones the CIA is desperate to keep from the public, were created/turned over by Leon Panetta.

Feinstein:

<...>

On March 5, 2009, the committee voted 14-1 to initiate a comprehensive review of the CIA Detention and Interrogation Program. Immediately, we sent a request for documents to all relevant executive branch agencies, chiefly among them the CIA.

The committee’s preference was for the CIA to turn over all responsive documents to the committee’s office, as had been done in previous committee investigations.

Director Panetta proposed an alternative arrangement: to provide literally millions of pages of operational cables, internal emails, memos, and other documents pursuant to the committee’s document requests at a secure location in Northern Virginia. We agreed, but insisted on several conditions and protections to ensure the integrity of this congressional investigation.

Per an exchange of letters in 2009, then-Vice Chairman Bond, then-Director Panetta, and I agreed in an exchange of letters that the CIA was to provide a “stand-alone computer system” with a “network drive” “segregated from CIA networks” for the committee that would only be accessed by information technology personnel at the CIA—who would “not be permitted to” “share information from the system with other (CIA) personnel, except as otherwise authorized by the committee.”

It was this computer network that, notwithstanding our agreement with Director Panetta, was searched by the CIA this past January, and once before which I will later describe.

<...>

There are several reasons why the draft summary of the Panetta Review was brought to our secure spaces at the Hart Building.

Let me list them:

The significance of the Internal Review given disparities between it and the June 2013 CIA response to the committee study. The Internal Panetta Review summary now at the secure committee office in the Hart Building is an especially significant document as it corroborates critical information in the committee’s 6,300-page Study that the CIA’s official response either objects to, denies, minimizes, or ignores.

Unlike the official response, these Panetta Review documents were in agreement with the committee’s findings. That’s what makes them so significant and important to protect.

When the Internal Panetta Review documents disappeared from the committee’s computer system, this suggested once again that the CIA had removed documents already provided to the committee, in violation of CIA agreements and White House assurances that the CIA would cease such activities.

As I have detailed, the CIA has previously withheld and destroyed information about its Detention and Interrogation Program, including its decision in 2005 to destroy interrogation videotapes over the objections of the Bush White House and the Director of National Intelligence. Based on the information described above, there was a need to preserve and protect the Internal Panetta Review in the committee’s own secure spaces.

Now, the Relocation of the Internal Panetta Review was lawful and handled in a manner consistent with its classification. No law prevents the relocation of a document in the committee’s possession from a CIA facility to secure committee offices on Capitol Hill. As I mentioned before, the document was handled and transported in a manner consistent with its classification, redacted appropriately, and it remains secured—with restricted access—in committee spaces.

- more -

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=db84e844-01bb-4eb6-b318-31486374a895

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024654245

The Senate and the CIA at War
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024648419



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Great questions. Waiting to see the answers from others. Nt newfie11 Mar 2014 #1
I fear we are about to learn a terrible lesson HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #2
Can anyone imagine a decent creditable Sen Church type inquiry Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #4
What has been revealled is that oversight was supposed to be a charade HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #6
I agree a charade some are saying Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #9
great discussion between marci wheeler and brad questionseverything Mar 2014 #35
Yeah, stalling 'til the election makes sense. But I think the torture will play second fiddle ... Scuba Mar 2014 #38
+1 nt LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #46
I don't know how the Committees work but I don't think the Senate itself records the votes struggle4progress Mar 2014 #3
Good work. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #21
Interesting thanks.. 2banon Mar 2014 #29
Thanks for digging all this out. Good addition to the thread. Scuba Mar 2014 #33
Congress holds the CIA purse strings. idendoit Mar 2014 #5
I think it is naive to believe Congress controls all the CIA's money HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #8
Like drug smuggling. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #11
Among others, yes. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #19
Their own businesses, legal and illegal 2banon Mar 2014 #30
That is the story that's emerged from the media over time. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #34
On that point.. 2banon Mar 2014 #39
So let's see if the CIA can do with less tax payer support. idendoit Mar 2014 #44
Please remember KingBob Mar 2014 #7
The Chairman and Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Aerows Mar 2014 #41
God forbid the repukes win the Senate in November LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #47
Count on it. Scuba Mar 2014 #57
Terrorists Augiedog Mar 2014 #10
I hope DiFi and her post office buying husband retire. merrily Mar 2014 #12
Really. That's all you have to say about this? Maedhros Mar 2014 #36
Not just her, but 14 other Senators Aerows Mar 2014 #42
The CIA has obviously overstepped their mandate and must be reined in. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #13
Yep, every candidate for federal office needs to be put on the spot about this. Scuba Mar 2014 #16
I'm sure they won't approve of our sentiments and might consider some sort of punishment. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #22
Posting the op on Facebook. Will probably get unfriended. F them. L0oniX Mar 2014 #24
ANSWER (to all questions): Police State. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #14
Secret LSD concentration camps are waiting for you. L0oniX Mar 2014 #26
You didn't need to type out all those questions. randome Mar 2014 #15
What makes you so upset that someone Aerows Mar 2014 #43
I don't know about that Number23 Mar 2014 #50
Very good questions! Glad you took the time to make this OP! Rex Mar 2014 #17
Great post. There is also a disconnect in reporting about this being W era torture underpants Mar 2014 #18
Good questions. The ProSense Mar 2014 #20
After Cointelpro ...no one should have expected them to stop. L0oniX Mar 2014 #23
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K&R'd 2banon Mar 2014 #31
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Does anyone believe that the attempted censoring of the Internal Panetta Review Maedhros Mar 2014 #37
I might have believed that at one time, but not anymore 2banon Mar 2014 #40
Seems to me that Panetta should be hauled before the committee under oath nt LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #48
Agreed. But he's wired to cover this up in the name of National Security 2banon Mar 2014 #49
panetta just made a list describing which docs went out to the senate questionseverything Mar 2014 #51
that's very interesting.. 2banon Mar 2014 #52
at the end of the article in that link was a really good interview with marci wheeler questionseverything Mar 2014 #53
I saw you post that link earlier, I think.. thanks! n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #55
Brennan didn't take over the CIA until 2011. Maedhros Mar 2014 #56
i am not going to go out on a limb defending panetta questionseverything Mar 2014 #58
Oh - I agree completely. Brennan needs to be held accountable and either Maedhros Mar 2014 #59
needs to be a c. option..prosecuted questionseverything Mar 2014 #60
C: Indict and convict. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #62
Good Questions. n/t myrna minx Mar 2014 #45
K&R. pacalo Mar 2014 #54
I have not heard a single news outlet woo me with science Mar 2014 #61
Corporate media report unbiased on the CIA? Rex Mar 2014 #63
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