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leftyohiolib

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117. it's to keep out republicans if for no other reason. and yes just getting a "win" is worth it

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 12:15 PM

Mar 2014

it can come with non-tanglible things that are beneficial, fires up the base demoralizes the other side etc. so you cant just brush-off a win. plus once you get her into office you can work on changing her stances. republicans are not going to repond to you at all, they are a closed door.
there are other issues here as well like the aca

with Jolly explaining that the ACA will end democracy as we know it and kill us all, and Sink mumbling that she would "keep what was right and fix what was wrong," the stronger argument, no matter how shot through with nonsense it is, will generally prevail.

one is going to see that you get no affordable health care the is more promising. this SHOULD matter to people and i shouldnt have to explain it. i agree dealing with the landrieus and the liebermans is frustrating at times but theyre still better than republicans

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What Democrats Should Learn from their Loss in Florida -Charles P. Pierce [View all] octoberlib Mar 2014 OP

No one's mentioning that Sink is such a horrible campaigner/candidate that she lost to pRick Scott NightWatcher Mar 2014 #1

Sink vs Jolly? pscot Mar 2014 #2

You've just accurately summed up ninety percent of the electorate. Loudly Mar 2014 #14

Let's just find a candidate named... Ferretherder Mar 2014 #96

How about Jeff Johnson? Blanks Mar 2014 #110

Yes, I got that same sinking feeling about her name. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #15

... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #41

VA has a Dem named Jim Moran, he keeps getting re-elected Heather MC Mar 2014 #92

Inside joke around here. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #93

I had a seasoned pol tell xxqqqzme Mar 2014 #79

Some guy ran a non-campaign as a write in - that's all anybody knew about him - IrishAyes Mar 2014 #82

Washington State Supremes pscot Mar 2014 #97

Anyone living in Fl amuse bouche Mar 2014 #91

Thank you. I live in Florida and the first responses when she was designated to run for this seat monmouth3 Mar 2014 #22

Du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #3

Only one thing to know about this election mcar Mar 2014 #4

and who is to blame for that? The people who didn't vote lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #47

Vote for the "not quite as bad as the Republicans" it's important!! Fumesucker Mar 2014 #60

It is the responsibility of the candidate to motivate voters to go to the polls Maedhros Mar 2014 #75

It is the responsibility of the voter to go to the polls. That is my view lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #76

I agree it is the citizen's responsibility to vote. Maedhros Mar 2014 #78

Agreed mcar Mar 2014 #89

People don't need reasons to stay home. They need reasons to roust merrily Mar 2014 #111

When the troops are not motivated, bvar22 Mar 2014 #118

It's messed up... tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #105

"Tiger Beat On The Potomac" Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Scuba Mar 2014 #5

That was my favorite line... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #66

Is that Politico? Fawke Em Mar 2014 #121

I think it's pretty much of "The Beltway Media". Scuba Mar 2014 #122

This election loss means nothing for us MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #6

I think his point was that Dem Candidates need to go with a more KoKo Mar 2014 #17

That will only work MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #30

'in the few areas where people will actually benefit from the ACA" ??? HERVEPA Mar 2014 #52

Other than a slightly higher increase than normal MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #65

Way to ignore those who will be able to have insurance HERVEPA Mar 2014 #88

Sort of amazing that some people are so upset about ACA Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2014 #29

What people fail to realize MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #33

I think that they're overall better Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2014 #35

Most were not disadvantaged by the previous system MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #38

People are pretty entrenched in their opinions Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2014 #42

Amen to that MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #44

Ever have your xxqqqzme Mar 2014 #81

Well, actually MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #112

Most were not disadvantaged by the previous system? Huge numbers were. In some southern states, IrishAyes Mar 2014 #83

No, most were not disadvantaged at all MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #114

In your dreams, pal. IrishAyes Mar 2014 #119

LOL MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #120

How would you know, since you seem to avoid reality like the plague? IrishAyes Mar 2014 #123

You are overestimating its effect Doctor_J Mar 2014 #85

Florida huh? kitt6 Mar 2014 #7

The state which voted for Obama. Twice. nt Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #21

Excellent, thanks Mr. Pierce: freshwest Mar 2014 #8

As you might guess, I'm not a natural part of Esquire's target demographic. However, IrishAyes Mar 2014 #86

They have a criminal as governor - what did you expect????? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #9

Write off Florida, write off the whole damned Party. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #26

I believe you're right. Why wave a white flag even before an election? That's what looks wimpy IrishAyes Mar 2014 #87

Here's the lesson zipplewrath Mar 2014 #10

Yes. In this case, they did just that. nt SunSeeker Mar 2014 #28

Wise words. Deaf ears. Rec'd n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #11

"Run as Democrats." What a concept. Thanks again, Charlie. (nt) Paladin Mar 2014 #12

It was a red district held for 20 year by a republican brush Mar 2014 #13

Sink outspent Jolly and she was ahead in all the polls. former9thward Mar 2014 #45

Polls can be skewed to read either way brush Mar 2014 #72

Not true. The GOP spent 35% more. And it was a red district. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #74

Since you are into reality checks: former9thward Mar 2014 #80

Jolly was the natural successor to the very popular Bill Young, Jolly's former boss SunSeeker Mar 2014 #84

I have no idea. former9thward Mar 2014 #90

Hope is not lost. But, we can't write this off as a fluke. razorman Mar 2014 #16

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Mar 2014 #18

Democrats who stand for Democratic principles The Wizard Mar 2014 #19

Many problems with Alex Sink's candidacy..... tableturner Mar 2014 #20

Unless the Dem leadership comes out strong in support of 4th Amendment protections, Android3.14 Mar 2014 #23

and unless they go vote for dems how is this going to change. this is exactly what the republicans leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #31

The solution is obvious Android3.14 Mar 2014 #94

fucking democrats get off your asses and vote leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #24

BINGO! B Calm Mar 2014 #43

i dont get the attitude here and elsewhere that the dem pols have to "MOTIVATE" the base to vote leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #62

What do you expect...... BlueJac Mar 2014 #25

save the excuses there is no excuse for dems not voting leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #32

that was not an excuse, just a fact........ BlueJac Mar 2014 #64

Couldn't agree more! nt SunSeeker Mar 2014 #27

Until the Democratic Party... HoosierCowboy Mar 2014 #34

I think running on cutting Social security may have helped her lose Autumn Mar 2014 #36

She ran on cutting Social Security? In Florida? octoberlib Mar 2014 #49

this makes me want to quit the democratic party leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #68

If both candidates are proposing austerity Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #116

it's to keep out republicans if for no other reason. and yes just getting a "win" is worth it leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #117

Retirees don't want their Social Security cut .. no way Jose'! YOHABLO Mar 2014 #99

Missed oppportunity dicksmc3 Mar 2014 #37

The reason Sink and other Democrats don't sound enthusiastic about the ACA tularetom Mar 2014 #39

So people voted for a Republican because Obama didn't push for Medicare for all? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #54

I have no fucking idea why people voted for a republican tularetom Mar 2014 #61

Here's' the way it works. Prior to the election there were predictions at DU that Sink would win. totodeinhere Mar 2014 #40

I agree. Hubert Flottz Mar 2014 #53

He's got a point. Kablooie Mar 2014 #46

Good post! nt octoberlib Mar 2014 #57

If voters can get off their asses and register, they can get off their asses and vote. EVERY TIME. ancianita Mar 2014 #48

Timid Democrats lose. JackHughes Mar 2014 #50

+1 octoberlib Mar 2014 #55

Absolutely. Embolden Democratic voters by outraging Republican candidates. Attack their lies. ancianita Mar 2014 #56

But when rehtoric is about spying, drones, more offshoring trade agreements pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #102

In addition, Dems usually choose to inhabit the false choice framing constructe by the republicans. myrna minx Mar 2014 #113

Because the republican leaders in and from Florida... Hubert Flottz Mar 2014 #51

i wish citizens would count and report their own votes questionseverything Mar 2014 #59

Amen! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #58

Run as Old Time Pro-Working Class DEMOCRATS!!!!! bvar22 Mar 2014 #63

Agreed! If Democrats would have mdbl Mar 2014 #107

40% turnout? Learn how to vote! struggle4progress Mar 2014 #67

+1 octoberlib Mar 2014 #69

Lucky to get that running on austerity. That 40% had to be almost all brand and habit voting. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #106

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2014 #70

May they should learn how to hold their water and not panic? This wasn't any sort of a ... marble falls Mar 2014 #71

most of the analysis is bullshit- democrats got beaten again by their ignorance of certainot Mar 2014 #73

Thank you, Charlie Pierce! Cha Mar 2014 #77

How many times does Sink have to LOSE before we give her the boot??? blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #95

They Need To Beef Up Early Voting And GOTV Efforts DallasNE Mar 2014 #98

We're going to lose the Senate in 2014. n/t Pryderi Mar 2014 #100

The author is spewing right wing talking points. It's clearly Nader's fault. pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #101

have we so soon forgot about Virginia? MFM008 Mar 2014 #103

I'm starting to think our Democrats have been bought to shut up. Phlem Mar 2014 #104

...."A Low Turnout Election".....Democracy....The American Privilege.....Vote bkanderson76 Mar 2014 #108

IMO, Democrats should not "defend" the ACA, they should sell it proudly. merrily Mar 2014 #109

K&R always for Charlie Pierce. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #115