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Zorra

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40. True about RW media, but...complacent? Um,
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:54 PM
Mar 2012

some of us are extremely unhappy with the current state of affairs. And many people are way far from having the available cash to pay the skyrocketing costs of health insurance.

In the past year, the organization that I work with had to completely eliminate our dental and vision plans due to an increase in the cost of insurance. Staff also had to start paying part of insurance costs.

And the insurance company has again just jacked their rates out of sight, forcing the organization to seek a different insurance provider. We don't know what we're going to do.

A major flaw in the ACA is the failure of the the ACA to incorporate premium price controls until the exchange portion of the ACA takes effect in 2014. Insurance companies are jacking their rates so high, (gouging us so hard it should be a criminal offense), many small companies are being forced to either stop providing healthcare coverage or cut benefits/take a serious financial hit/require employees to pay part of the premiums.

Insurance companies are ripping everyone off to the max degree while they still can and laughing all the way to the bank. And their profits are already immorally high. You cannot trust an unregulated market. Insurance companies have proven that profit is everything and it doesn't matter to them how many people suffer or die in order for them to consistently make obscene profits.

So, while there have been some benefits for all and more for some from the ACA so far, some of us have gone down the donut hole that will be closed in 2014. And not everyone understands the potential future benefit of the exchange program. They just know that insurance companies are holding them hostage and robbing them blind in the real time of the here and now, and there is no recourse.

I think Doc Dean got it right (as usual) in the passage below, but again, a lot of people, including myself, are justifiably not happy with this donut hole that has given insurance providers a free for all license to rob us at will.

Dean Urges Small Businesses to Drop Healthcare Coverage

Remember the concerns during the healthcare debate that firms might choose to pay a $2,000 per worker fine to dump employees into health insurance exchanges if it’s cheaper than offering coverage? Well, former Democratic Party boss Howard Dean is cheering them on. He reasons that coverage won’t change much and that this will free cash for businesses to be more competitive. “What I believe will happen, although it was not intended, and I think it’s going to be a good thing, although it’s going to create a large dislocation, is that the small business community will abandon the healthcare market and put all their employees into the exchanges,” Dean says. He calls the linkage between employment and health benefits a major disadvantage for American firms competing with foreign companies that don’t have to supply health insurance.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/01/19/dean-urges-small-businesses-to-drop-healthcare-coverage


This donut hole gives the RW media a huge issue to propagandize on. 2014 is long ways away for many struggling Americans that work for many small businesses/organizations.

(I'm not by any means an expert on this stuff, so my information may not be totally accurate regarding the ACA, but this is how looks from my position, and I believe that I am generally more politically informed than most Americans. So if I'm looking at it this way, think about what the people who can be influenced by RW media are absorbing and believing.)

IMO, single payer, publicly funded, universal health care is the only system that really makes any reasonable ethical and moral sense. I sincerely hope that the ACA eventually leads to such a system.

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67% [View all] MadHound Mar 2012 OP
So ProSense Mar 2012 #1
Wow, selective quoting, again. No surprise from you. MadHound Mar 2012 #4
Nice ProSense Mar 2012 #9
And again, you would should that those people are a bipartisan group MadHound Mar 2012 #10
What? ProSense Mar 2012 #13
Speaking of spin MadHound Mar 2012 #14
You should ProSense Mar 2012 #19
ProSense has it right Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #27
I do support striking down the individual mandate, MadHound Mar 2012 #30
Please respond to my post #33 Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #38
Interestingly progressoid Mar 2012 #53
Single payer IS the only way to go, only we're not going there yet. gateley Mar 2012 #2
Canada's healthcare system took decades to implement. Swede Mar 2012 #3
I know. I don't think I'll be alive to see it, but I fervently hope that some day in gateley Mar 2012 #6
The thing is, people don't have that kind of time MadHound Mar 2012 #7
I think even Hoover and the Roosevelts were trying to get some real health care implemented -- gateley Mar 2012 #17
And if 67% don't like the ACA then 67% certainly would not want single payer treestar Mar 2012 #18
You think so? MadHound Mar 2012 #20
But according to the article with the alleged poll treestar Mar 2012 #34
It's the same old story - they just don't get it. The Right's voice ($$$) is louder than ours, and gateley Mar 2012 #22
Yes, the right wing media just goes on and on about how much it will supposedly cost treestar Mar 2012 #35
"One would think..." -- but they don't treestar. They just don't think. nt gateley Mar 2012 #39
True about RW media, but...complacent? Um, Zorra Mar 2012 #40
Right. Just pay the amount as salary and then the employee sees how much it costs treestar Mar 2012 #47
It's simply a messaging issue. The more people find out about it the more they like it. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #5
If that were the case, then these numbers wouldn't be trending upwards MadHound Mar 2012 #8
Because of constant bashing from the RW media. Unfortunately people are no more informed than 2 yrs FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #11
Except that is belied by the numbers in this poll MadHound Mar 2012 #12
What, only RWers can be misinformed? Also, some wanted it to go further. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #32
67% probably also want a tax break while at the same time a shiny new pony. BootinUp Mar 2012 #15
+1 Johonny Mar 2012 #28
67% also think the "pony" smear has gotten a little old SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #46
Oh nonsense BootinUp Mar 2012 #48
Nah.. it was a "cute" way of telling you that your SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #55
Incorrect Mr. Mindreader BootinUp Mar 2012 #58
Medicare for all is the way to go Orangepeel Mar 2012 #16
This Socialist agrees with you lunatica Mar 2012 #21
Most people don't understand that no mandate=exclusions for pre-existing conditions. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #23
How so? MadHound Mar 2012 #26
I want the mandate struck down as a stand alone clause Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #24
The connection is this, MadHound Mar 2012 #25
Why do you think the law will collapse? Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #29
Look at the economics of the ACA MadHound Mar 2012 #31
Only the corporate profits depend on that Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #33
No, what happens if the mandate is struck down MadHound Mar 2012 #41
your own horribly slanted link says that Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #42
You keep claiming, in both this thread and your PM, that I'm defending corporate profits MadHound Mar 2012 #45
There is no political will for a single payer system Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #49
Umm, stop reading polls from 1979 MadHound Mar 2012 #50
Name 60 Senators who will vote for single payer Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #52
Fascinating link. I am utterly shocked Rand, of all of them, think no mandates = not so bad. joshcryer Mar 2012 #57
IMO, The People want the public option but neither the Dems nor the Repukes will give it to them. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #36
I think that is absolutely true. rudycantfail Mar 2012 #44
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #37
Well I don't suppose it will hurt any of us to hope that universal single payer will be the outcome, lonestarnot Mar 2012 #43
I am the 67% KG Mar 2012 #51
You posting a poll from the right wing Langer Research Associates? joshcryer Mar 2012 #54
Here's ProSense Mar 2012 #56
IMHO With Price Controls and Negotiated Drug Prices chnoutte Mar 2012 #59
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