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BrotherIvan

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10. I think your post is very important

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 04:49 PM

Mar 2014

Woman have been convinced that abortion somehow equals murdering a baby. These pictures you see aren't of a fetus, they are pictures of babies. Because, yet again, rational people have graciously allowed the nutters to frame and define the debate, many young women are easily persuaded that abortion equals murder. That somehow a woman is making a selfish choice. That life begins at conception though the Bible says no such thing. That every baby will be healthy, happy, and well-cared for and that in our age of over-population, every pregnancy is sacred. That the life of a clump of cells is more important than the life of a living woman.

That is one of the reasons they don't want science taught in schools. It is so much easier to jerk people around by their emotions and imagination. Women need to educate women about the importance of access to safe abortions. That a fetus IS NOT A BABY. I find the women who are bravely speaking out about their experience, and "coming out of the closet" of shame that has always surrounded abortion to be a good starting point. Education is the key here.

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Here is why the Anti-Abortion Crew are wrong. Completely, totally, massively, stupidly wrong: [View all] riqster Mar 2014 OP

It is basic to EVERYONE's control of their own bodies HockeyMom Mar 2014 #1

A government with the power to forbid abortion, can also require abortion. SharonAnn Mar 2014 #15

EXACTLY!!! demigoddess Mar 2014 #38

This issue Feral Child Mar 2014 #2

Damn straight. riqster Mar 2014 #3

No, it doesn't. jeff47 Mar 2014 #4

Quell Shampoo Feral Child Mar 2014 #8

Your phrasing implies the doctor gets to make the decision. jeff47 Mar 2014 #13

That's how you're reading it. Feral Child Mar 2014 #44

"these men are telling women what to do with their bodies" Major Nikon Mar 2014 #5

Look at a legislature that is passing anti-choice laws. riqster Mar 2014 #6

Look at who is electing them Major Nikon Mar 2014 #7

Beside the point in any case. riqster Mar 2014 #9

It is far from beside the point dsc Mar 2014 #14

So you think Michelle Bachmann should be the one choosing? Major Nikon Mar 2014 #16

Distraction. riqster Mar 2014 #17

I absolutely agree with your point Major Nikon Mar 2014 #19

Agreed, but that is an idea that was not central to the post. riqster Mar 2014 #45

I think your post is very important BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #10

OP worthy post. Thanks! riqster Mar 2014 #11

Thank you BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #12

I think you're exactly right Major Nikon Mar 2014 #18

It's called internalized misogyny. Which is directly the product of hegemonic masculinity. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #23

So if your analysis is correct, more women are "internalized' misogynists Major Nikon Mar 2014 #26

No, because the proportion of the population who is absolutist in abortion rhetoric is less... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #28

That was not the argument Major Nikon Mar 2014 #31

You just argued in another post that more female political leaders would be bad... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #32

You have it exactly backwards Major Nikon Mar 2014 #35

These are your words. Own them like someone who has courage of conviction... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #36

So your argument is that just because you don't agree, I must be wrong Major Nikon Mar 2014 #37

You have that upside-down. I disagree because you're wrong. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #39

You're convinced you're right and I'm wrong on something that is purely speculative Major Nikon Mar 2014 #40

You're wrong because your claims are unsubstantiated. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #41

The claim in the OP was never substantiated Major Nikon Mar 2014 #42

I actually don't like the core argument of the OP. I think it's ill informed and ill constructed. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #43

This is another Gallup analysis that doesn't fit your own gallup polls... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #20

Not sure why you'd think so Major Nikon Mar 2014 #21

To counter your assumption, it isn't only about absolutes. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #22

The poll you posted is less relevant Major Nikon Mar 2014 #24

As I've stated elsewhere, female anti-abortion advocacy is internalized misogyny... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #27

Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true Major Nikon Mar 2014 #29

If anything I've said seems like word salad, you should avoid continental philosophers... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #30

Appeal to authority fallacies don't help your argument Major Nikon Mar 2014 #33

"The idea that everyone does because deep down they really hate women is not a good one." Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #34

"You do not have the right to tell people what to do with their own bodies." except on DU The Straight Story Mar 2014 #25