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67. On Wednesday, February 19th, Yanukovich signed a truce with the main protest leaders . . .

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 08:29 PM

Mar 2014

And it was cosigned by reps of the EU. Yanukovich ordered his police to not break the truce, and the main protest leaders told their supporters the same; however, several more radical protest leaders were not part of the deal, and they publicly stated they were going to continue attacks on the police. Then several policemen and protesters were shot and, eventually, police snipers were brought in to take out the gunmen.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/deadly-clashes-shatter-ukraine-truce/story-e6frg6so-1226832235351

Who, in your opinion, was more likely guilty of starting the shooting? The Ukrainian police who had been ordered to uphold the just signed truce, or the radical protesters who swore from the beginning they would continue attacking police?

Seriously, can there be any doubt?

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Snipers who killed police and protesters in Kiev were Right Wing radicals and mercenaries! [View all] another_liberal Mar 2014 OP

Not surprised newfie11 Mar 2014 #1

Oh yes, the business of America is war. another_liberal Mar 2014 #2

I'm sure they will newfie11 Mar 2014 #3

It is indeed hard to both love one's country . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #4

Indeed. 840high Mar 2014 #101

I'll have to see another source besides RT reporting this before LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #5

How about this for a start? another_liberal Mar 2014 #8

The fact that there were snipers is confirmed, but nowhere LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #15

Those articles don't prove OP Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #19

CSMonitor spends most of the article saying it functioning_cog Mar 2014 #21

Unrec. Every RT article should include the prefix, "Putin Sez...." FSogol Mar 2014 #6

You are entitled to your opinion . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #10

All opinions are not equal tkmorris Mar 2014 #88

Which is why they were in government buildings and controlled territory. joshcryer Mar 2014 #7

The philharmonic building was completely under protester control when the shooting began. another_liberal Mar 2014 #9

I was watching their live stream. joshcryer Mar 2014 #13

Just because CNN didn't show any video of snipers in the Philharmonic building . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #14

The live stream wasn't CNN. joshcryer Mar 2014 #24

See reply #12 for link to BBC footage. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #20

I've seen it. joshcryer Mar 2014 #23

Really... sendero Mar 2014 #11

I must confess . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #16

This has all the hallmarks of a false flag.. sendero Mar 2014 #18

Another DUer pointed out that... CJCRANE Mar 2014 #22

It's messy.. sendero Mar 2014 #27

Investigation Alex_ Mar 2014 #32

A.L. Alex_ Mar 2014 #12

Thank you very much! another_liberal Mar 2014 #17

John Perkins wrote about these things nationalize the fed Mar 2014 #25

Excellent post! another_liberal Mar 2014 #29

I have my copy right here malaise Mar 2014 #38

The people of Ukraine . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #42

+1000 nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #43

Excellent. Thanks. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #84

I'm going to need a MUCH more reliable leftynyc Mar 2014 #26

Fine with me . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #28

RT is about as believable as InfoWars. nt sufrommich Mar 2014 #30

Those with no counter argument . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #35

You have a point Renew Deal Mar 2014 #41

Use your intellect to discriminate between sources with something to offer . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #45

OK. From the Colombia Journalism Review Renew Deal Mar 2014 #49

Commentators can have their price, just like so many other people. another_liberal Mar 2014 #51

Either you are irony challenged Renew Deal Mar 2014 #102

Don't you know that killing for 'freedom and democracy' malaise Mar 2014 #31

They're just a million examples of collateral damage. another_liberal Mar 2014 #39

And with it comes the Economic Hitman malaise Mar 2014 #40

Thank you for the post, Mr. Putin. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #33

Hi, jeff! another_liberal Mar 2014 #36

Oh RT, aren't you just so adorable? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #34

There are a lot of oh so sweet stories about kittens . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #37

You are in Full-Blown Denial Mode. fascisthunter Mar 2014 #47

THIS is Full-Blown Denial Mode: cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #100

The photo shows people shooting upwards from a ground-level trash dumpster Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #44

Where is it said the photo is of those who fired from the Philharmonic building? another_liberal Mar 2014 #50

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #54

Post #54 was a dumbass hide, btw... SidDithers Mar 2014 #108

Holy Sh*t... it's as bad as I Thought fascisthunter Mar 2014 #46

This article was an eye-opener for me. another_liberal Mar 2014 #52

What is Needed Though is another International Report on This fascisthunter Mar 2014 #55

The story of who the snipers really were is dwelt with elsewhere . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #58

Thank You! fascisthunter Mar 2014 #60

Well, from what I have Read fascisthunter Mar 2014 #66

On Wednesday, February 19th, Yanukovich signed a truce with the main protest leaders . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #67

Ok... MUST READ DUers ^^^^^^ fascisthunter Mar 2014 #69

You have to consider the source. jeff47 Mar 2014 #103

You're going to have to start finding a more neutral source on Ukraine than RT. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #48

I calls them as I sees them." another_liberal Mar 2014 #53

Pretty rich to decry imperialism while defending the mouthpiece of Russia. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #56

I'm not defending anyone. another_liberal Mar 2014 #62

So I either take RT seriously or I don't pay attention to alternative points of view? NuclearDem Mar 2014 #65

Russia has her faults, and clearly some serious ones at that. another_liberal Mar 2014 #68

Oh, so Russia had no choice but to invade the Crimea? NuclearDem Mar 2014 #70

Of course they had a choice whether or not to act in the Crimea. another_liberal Mar 2014 #74

No, they have no legal or diplomatic cover to invade a sovereign natuon NuclearDem Mar 2014 #77

OK, the fact is they did not invade anything. another_liberal Mar 2014 #79

Where is any proof of Western powers manipulating protests in Kiev? kwassa Mar 2014 #82

There is a great deal of such evidence . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #83

I don't think you know what you are talking about. kwassa Mar 2014 #86

Think whatever you please . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #89

LOL! kwassa Mar 2014 #90

"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand." another_liberal Mar 2014 #91

So, will you put me on ignore because you can't handle my arguments? kwassa Mar 2014 #92

There is no such thing as a "lame" Cool Hand Luke reference . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #93

Oh, sure there is. Like I said, you got nuttin', and now you run away. kwassa Mar 2014 #95

Later, kwassa. another_liberal Mar 2014 #97

"Later" is a way of avoiding an argument you are losing. kwassa Mar 2014 #99

Perhaps it is in some cases . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #107

Here are a couple more I found in minutes: another_liberal Mar 2014 #87

Two of these three links are worthless; the third doesn't support you. kwassa Mar 2014 #94

Do you reject the live recording of Victoria Nuland's comments as well? another_liberal Mar 2014 #96

I frankly think that you have no standards in journalism. kwassa Mar 2014 #98

I am not going to debate Russia Today's "Standards" . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #105

Quoting a Russian propaganda source as news item in the OP is ludicrous. kwassa Mar 2014 #109

Then be prepared to have conversation Sissyk Mar 2014 #57

Is that a threat? another_liberal Mar 2014 #59

Lol!! Sissyk Mar 2014 #61

Well, as long as it's just a joke . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #63

How could that possibly be a threat??? Sissyk Mar 2014 #64

So you are threatening to disrupt my OP if you don't like my source . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #71

Oh knock it off. People are going to discuss your source because it's relevant. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #72

Exactly. another_liberal Mar 2014 #75

Lol!! Sissyk Mar 2014 #73

If you disrupt an OP I post as you have threatened you would . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #76

Can you show me in the Sissyk Mar 2014 #81

It is your threat to intentionally and premeditatedly disrupt I am talking about. another_liberal Mar 2014 #106

A threat? maddezmom Mar 2014 #85

RT shit is awesome cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #78

Nice of you to stop by . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #80

This is government propaganda gerogie2 Mar 2014 #104

government propaganda or conspiracy theory? nt soundsgreat Mar 2014 #111

Now guess which person leads the Ukranian government's investigation of the shootings? soundsgreat Mar 2014 #110