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22. To counter your assumption, it isn't only about absolutes.

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 11:09 PM

Mar 2014

In fact, I would argue it very rarely is about absolutes. And the poll I posted, being of the same source, is just as valid as yours. Thus, there is some sort of contradiction.

Which is more important? That a larger proportion of women support absolute illegality of abortion or that a larger proportion of men identify as "pro-life?" That's certainly debatable. And because it is debatable, your argument trying to portray women as the greatest source of anti-abortion sentiment isn't particularly strong.

I would argue that, despite a lot of stigma associated with being "pro-choice," because of the historical relevance of decisions like Roe v. Wade, there is also a very strong stigma associated with being absolutely against all legal abortion.

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Here is why the Anti-Abortion Crew are wrong. Completely, totally, massively, stupidly wrong: [View all] riqster Mar 2014 OP

It is basic to EVERYONE's control of their own bodies HockeyMom Mar 2014 #1

A government with the power to forbid abortion, can also require abortion. SharonAnn Mar 2014 #15

EXACTLY!!! demigoddess Mar 2014 #38

This issue Feral Child Mar 2014 #2

Damn straight. riqster Mar 2014 #3

No, it doesn't. jeff47 Mar 2014 #4

Quell Shampoo Feral Child Mar 2014 #8

Your phrasing implies the doctor gets to make the decision. jeff47 Mar 2014 #13

That's how you're reading it. Feral Child Mar 2014 #44

"these men are telling women what to do with their bodies" Major Nikon Mar 2014 #5

Look at a legislature that is passing anti-choice laws. riqster Mar 2014 #6

Look at who is electing them Major Nikon Mar 2014 #7

Beside the point in any case. riqster Mar 2014 #9

It is far from beside the point dsc Mar 2014 #14

So you think Michelle Bachmann should be the one choosing? Major Nikon Mar 2014 #16

Distraction. riqster Mar 2014 #17

I absolutely agree with your point Major Nikon Mar 2014 #19

Agreed, but that is an idea that was not central to the post. riqster Mar 2014 #45

I think your post is very important BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #10

OP worthy post. Thanks! riqster Mar 2014 #11

Thank you BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #12

I think you're exactly right Major Nikon Mar 2014 #18

It's called internalized misogyny. Which is directly the product of hegemonic masculinity. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #23

So if your analysis is correct, more women are "internalized' misogynists Major Nikon Mar 2014 #26

No, because the proportion of the population who is absolutist in abortion rhetoric is less... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #28

That was not the argument Major Nikon Mar 2014 #31

You just argued in another post that more female political leaders would be bad... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #32

You have it exactly backwards Major Nikon Mar 2014 #35

These are your words. Own them like someone who has courage of conviction... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #36

So your argument is that just because you don't agree, I must be wrong Major Nikon Mar 2014 #37

You have that upside-down. I disagree because you're wrong. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #39

You're convinced you're right and I'm wrong on something that is purely speculative Major Nikon Mar 2014 #40

You're wrong because your claims are unsubstantiated. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #41

The claim in the OP was never substantiated Major Nikon Mar 2014 #42

I actually don't like the core argument of the OP. I think it's ill informed and ill constructed. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #43

This is another Gallup analysis that doesn't fit your own gallup polls... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #20

Not sure why you'd think so Major Nikon Mar 2014 #21

To counter your assumption, it isn't only about absolutes. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #22

The poll you posted is less relevant Major Nikon Mar 2014 #24

As I've stated elsewhere, female anti-abortion advocacy is internalized misogyny... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #27

Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true Major Nikon Mar 2014 #29

If anything I've said seems like word salad, you should avoid continental philosophers... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #30

Appeal to authority fallacies don't help your argument Major Nikon Mar 2014 #33

"The idea that everyone does because deep down they really hate women is not a good one." Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #34

"You do not have the right to tell people what to do with their own bodies." except on DU The Straight Story Mar 2014 #25